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One Shot Silver Shard | Camo Hunter Completely BROKEN in PVP
StihlReign
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Silver shards and Camo hunter are broken for PvP.
Zos can you please turn the abilities off until you fix them?
They hit for massive damage, often only showing 5-6K insta-kills in the recap.
Often the only thing on the recap is Camo-hunter.
More often than not the ability is doing one-shot damage.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel
Zos can you please turn the abilities off until you fix them?
They hit for massive damage, often only showing 5-6K insta-kills in the recap.
Often the only thing on the recap is Camo-hunter.
More often than not the ability is doing one-shot damage.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel
"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Leave it as it is. Silver shards and Camo-hunter is one of the best anti-daedra skills PvE'er have. PvP vamps just need to learn to adapt."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."18 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »Leave it as it is. Silver shards and Camo-hunter is one of the best anti-daedra skills PvE'er have. PvP vamps just need to learn to adapt.
One day you will wake up with a pissed vampire standing above you and there will be too late to change your mind.
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Peel_Ya_Cap_517✭✭✭✭As a Vampire myself, I say leave it as it is. It is SUPPOSED to hit hard against undead!N64 NA EP13 -
jrkhan✭✭✭There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.Edited by jrkhan on December 17, 2015 3:54PM8 -
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✭I have gotten "one shotted" by Camo and not even a vamp... Leave it as is. Enough with the nerfs it is not a new situation. It has been in game for awhile... learn to adapt. When rearming trap was being used I screen shotted the death recaps to make sure I had players names. I jumped out of pvp went in a public dungeon and two hours later had morphed it and leveled it then ported back to cyrodil and showed all those ppl my new toy. Then I trolled them hard I even got two "truces" so feel that was a victory for players. I die to bats far more than most skills so why don't we call for nerfing bats.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.4 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Problem isn't really Camouflage Hunter or Silver shards, if you want to be exact.
It's those skills being used in combination with sneak attacks, that 99% instakills anyone that plays vampire or in WW form in PvP.
This has nothing to do with PvE.
The only way to adapt is not playing vampire in PvP. I dont think ZoS is going to re-design this one, @GinaBruno specifically said "working as indented" in another thread. Vampires are apparently supposed to get killed in less than one second if they engage in PvP.
Don't spend crowns on bites unless you're a pure PvE'er, my advice
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Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree with several others in this thread. It is working as intended and should be left as is. I say this both as a vampire and as someone that uses fighters guild powers. You gain a lot by being a vampire, including in PVP; the ultimate wrecks groups of enemy players; the fast sneak speed and the reduced damage under 50% health will save your life. These benefits should come at a cost and that cost is the risk of death to people running fighters guild powers.2 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭How do you suggest a vamp adapts? Just accept one shots with no time to react? The skills are broken and not functioning properly if i have 28k health and die to one shot camo hunter.0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.6 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.
The consequences are not functioning as intended. Do you understand that? Or are you too narrow minded to accept that the fighters guild skills are broken? It's not rocket science read old patch notes those skills are broken every other update.0 -
Docmandu✭✭✭✭✭
✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »Leave it as it is. Silver shards and Camo-hunter is one of the best anti-daedra skills PvE'er have. PvP vamps just need to learn to adapt.
I guess this forum thug wizardry is a form of PvP for PvE players?!
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StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭The skill line is broken. There is no way to block or defend.
I refuse to use the skill line because of how broken it is.
20K+ unblockable damage is excessive.
"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭How do you suggest a vamp adapts? Just accept one shots with no time to react? The skills are broken and not functioning properly if i have 28k health and die to one shot camo hunter.
Adaptation Option 1: accept that the negatives outweigh the positives for you and cure vampirism.
Adaptation Option 2: find ways to minimize the risk. In other words put champion points in hardy and resistant for fighters guild and elemental defender for your fire vulnerability. Slot magelight and/or use detection potions so you detect people in stealth. Stay in stealth whenever possible in cyrodiil as you can move at normal walking speed and avoid being ganked. Etc. Even with this risk mitigation, realize that sometimes fighters guild powers are going to get you. If you don't want to do any of this or accept the risk, see option 1.
I play a vampire NB as my main for both PVP and PVE. My strategy is champion points + detect pots + lots of stealth + attacking from range. I've gone back and forth between having vampirism and curing it because I do get killed instantly by players specifically built to kill vampires. When I was running IC regularly I encountered too many enemy players with fighters guild powers and was dying too often so I cured it. Now that I am back to playing in cyrodiil, I went back to being a vampire as I only get nuked occasionally and for me, the benefits far outweigh the occasional death.
Finally, a big part of the 28k damage comes from animation canceling and scoring multiple hits within 1/2 second of each other. ZoS has said they are not going to change animation canceling so we're pretty stuck with the situation as it is.2 -
StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »Leave it as it is. Silver shards and Camo-hunter is one of the best anti-daedra skills PvE'er have. PvP vamps just need to learn to adapt.
The skill line is broken.
This isn't PvE (Easy mode) where everyone has massive health and tons of reaction time because they're playing the computer.
The thread is for PVP."O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Please ZoS, if something isn't working for PvP just disable it for everyone in PvE. Damn, I hate games that tweak everything based off of PvP. I wish PvP had COMPLETELY SEPARATE skills.0 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »Silver shards and Camo hunter are broken for PvP.
Zos can you please turn the abilities off until you fix them?
They hit for massive damage, often only showing 5-6K insta-kills in the recap.
Often the only thing on the recap is Camo-hunter.
More often than not the ability is doing one-shot damage.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel
you know the recap is broken right now and they are looking into fixing it. so sometimes only one skill is being shown on recap but it isn't the only one hitting you to kill you1 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How do you suggest a vamp adapts? Just accept one shots with no time to react? The skills are broken and not functioning properly if i have 28k health and die to one shot camo hunter.
have u tried camo hunter+WB from sneak? i 1 shotted a 37k hp vamp dk))))) i was like O.o and im a vamp myself so yeah! 1 -
StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked."O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.2 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Some thick headed people around here that's for damn sure. One shot should not be able to do 28k dmg and my death log read camo hunter 5k and that's it. Where is the other 23k dmg again? Oh it conveniently went out for groceries? No where on the tool tip does camo hunter state it will reduce my health by 23k. I'm a magika NB sapping health 100% of the time ffs almost every skill i use heals me. And um Duh yeah I use hardy, I use elemental defender, I use resistant. Which one of those prevents broken ass skills again?Edited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 5:23PM1
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StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken."O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
If your not already knee deep in guano in Cyro then your not doing much fighting. For every 1 Werewolf I see there are at least 15 Vamps....NA Server - Kildair2 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken.
not being one shot by cammo hunter it is a bug in the recap ginabruno is already aware of the situation and they are testing this to get it fixed yes it hits hard but it is not doing a 1 shot the other hits are not registering on the recap
here is the quote from ginaZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Edited by Lightninvash on December 17, 2015 5:28PM2 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
Completely agree with this post. Also, there is truly no issue with silver shards. It can hit 30% harder against vampires (some chance), and it knocks them down, but otherwise has a high stam cost and poor damage.
Let's just get rid of the double stealth procs from camo hunter and go from there. I've swapped over to evil hunter myself until then... fun to have lots of extra stam sustain against vampires.PC/NA
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken.
The report is broken, not showing the other damage it is not one shot for 28K period.1 -
Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
I'm with you on this one Stihl, the problem is that @ZOS doesn't have the resources to fix these issues quickly, let alone the time to put the skill on "Hold". They'll just leave in broken mechanics that the exploiters will continue to use for months on end. When they finally get around to fixing it, they will revamp everything else around the broken skill instead.....NA Server - Kildair0 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken.
The report is broken, not showing the other damage it is not one shot for 28K period.
yes this is the truth in it if read above I put in Gina's response to the issue at hand0 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.2