Thelon wrote: »

Go post that in every thread asking for an auction house.

False argument.

Auction house or not, OP is clearly stating that the problem is the lack of built-in antitrust laws within the trading system, which is entirely true.

There is absolutely nothing preventing a guild right now from visiting all the guild traders to purchase all the tempering alloy or dreugh wax.

The lack of global auction house certainly makes the process tedious for a single player, but easily feasible at a guild level with a concerted effort.

The guild traders are a fake solution to a real problem. The real solutions are built-in antitrust laws.

Flaminir wrote: »

The only way to consistently lower the prices is simply to increase supply or reduce demand.

Sorry if I misread the post I replied to before. Anyway, I still think ZOS should try to put in some antitrust rules, as another poster called them.

If you act solely on supply, you risk trivialising the items. This happened to crafting motifs, especially the blue ones. I just put them in guild banks or vendor them, can't be bothered to list something in a store that's worth barely 100 gold. Yes, this would solve the issue of people not being able to get the gold mats, but I think it would be the wrong solution. Kind of an "I win" button. Increased drop rates should only be one part of the answer.

You COULD act on demand, at least as a partial solution. Just reduce the amount of gold mats needed to improve a piece of gear. You could easily slash demand by 50% by requiring 4 mats instead of 8 (with all passives unlocked) and adjusting other improvement mats.

Finally, you COULD cut back on the relisting of store-bought items. A cooldown like I suggested is one way, but you could also increase sales taxes so that it only becomes profitable to relist an item that's exceptionally underpriced to begin with. This would have the additional benefit of working as a gold sink to reduce inflation, but might backfire, making the relist prices even higher to make up for the taxes.

In the end I agree, economies aren't simple and there is never a universal remedy. But we're getting to a point where ZOS should really start considering some measures.

kargen27 wrote: »

You can get an add on that will tell you average prices of just about everything. As more people use that add on price extremes will naturally get closer together. Also the add on will show you really good deals as you are looking for other items. People will take advantage when they see an item on sell for half what the average price is whether they are trying to corner a market or not.

And some people play the game to make gold. To them that is the fun part of the game. They will naturally drift towards the trade guilds with the better locations. Just like some guilds specialize in PvP and can dominate a map these guilds specialize in trading and will dominate the best locations and also have an affect on prices of rare items.

Just a part of the game and nothing wrong with it.

you cant get add ons for console. this was a post about the ps4 market.

revonine wrote: »

There's alot of cornered prices for certain items on the market at the moment. The prices for some upgrade mats are ludicrous. Tried setting a lower price to unload it quicker and I got loads of angry messages from other sellers.

I hope you answered them equally angry

In response to the pricing complaints. There is a lot of reasons why the prices are going up. Highly organized guilds and traders are only a small part of it.

1. A lot of players with huge inventories of gold upgrade items from pc transferring have either quit or run out of inventory
2. ZOS introduced some sets worth crafting and its burning through peoples inventory
3. ZOS has been seemingly putting more effort in to the removal of gold farmers "clap" well done and thus SERIOUSLY reducing the quantity of upgrade materials available in game. <side note> One gold farming group can generate more upgrade materials than almost the entire none business oriented player pop in ESO
4. Organized and rich traders and guilds will buy low and sell high... as they should.
5. Alot of the farming exploits have been removed from the game "Pig Farming" and the inventories from such endeavors have also been depleted

There are some other factors I'm sure but these are the big ones and the ones that quickly came to mind.

~ For some people trading is what they enjoy in this game and if you think that is lame then go yell at everyone who has ever been addicted to EVE online or similar games. You're sitting there wasting your time playing a video game too brother don't hate on what other people enjoy doing when they play.

PS: you get killed by a wrecking blow and people want to NERF hammer the skill .... good traders find a way to make money and now people want to NERF trading ... cmon people cut it out.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY!!!

~Tax

PS4 from day 1 on console.

Hirelings have been maxed on two characters for months.

I had to stop doing the equipment writs because my crafting toon is VR11 and can't earn enough of the VR15 mats to regularly complete them.

But the good mats are ridiculous the only one I have a decent amount of dreaugh wax.

Tempering Alloy and Kuta and the bane of my existence.

Like I said been playing since console launch I have 9 Kuta and I'm a scavaing breaking down fool.

I don't know what the secret is to gold mats in particular tempering alloy and kuta but but the time I reach VR 16 I might be able to legendary 1 set of gear which I will then have to share because I damn sure won't be able to craft two.

Zeni allowed pc players to port over all there inventory and gold at release. These players already had a years worth of goods and gold. Some pc guilds even pooled all there gold on to 1 person to port over so they got all this gold to start with. This causes problems later on when the stock drys up. The ps4 players have benefitted from a market that was not right. It is now only starting to adjust. Zeni should have NEVER allowed pc transfers. I understand why they did but it caused a market that was ballooned with supply and no demand due to new players just starting the game.

One of the other big issues is the players who spent 12 hours a day farming pigs in a barn. Not to mention all the other ways that people exploited the ways to get d. wax. This was allowed to occur for over a month before it was patched. I personally know of a guy who did it over and over everyday until it was fixed and stockpiled to sell later. This supply is now drying up as these exploits are fixed. Can't honestly blame the players when this was a dev screw up.

I run a very large trade guild. (1000 members and 2 traders) 1 trader in elden root and one in wayrest. The guild I run does not control any prices on anything. I don't force members to price things a certain way and I do not have people go out and run traders for low price items. We are donation based. We survive solely on donations, tax revenue from sales and raffle entries. I have maintained a trader in wayrest week in and week out with only a few times losing.

Now to the author of this thread. I believe you where in my guild in fact even on my friends list. Could you please tell me a time when I forced you to sell something at a certain price or to go out and browse traders for low price items to flip? In fact I have never even charged you a fee or even talked to you. I have allowed you to sell at one of the best locations in the game with no charge so I don't really understand why you would think that all the main large trading guilds are controlling the market. Because with 1000 members and 2 traders every week I am the leader of one of those large trade guilds and I do not try to control any market. I simply try to win my bid each week.

TX11 wrote: »

Zeni allowed pc players to port over all there inventory and gold at release. These players already had a years worth of goods and gold. Some pc guilds even pooled all there gold on to 1 person to port over so they got all this gold to start with. This causes problems later on when the stock drys up. The ps4 players have benefitted from a market that was not right. It is now only starting to adjust. Zeni should have NEVER allowed pc transfers. I understand why they did but it caused a market that was ballooned with supply and no demand due to new players just starting the game.

One of the other big issues is the players who spent 12 hours a day farming pigs in a barn. Not to mention all the other ways that people exploited the ways to get d. wax. This was allowed to occur for over a month before it was patched. I personally know of a guy who did it over and over everyday until it was fixed and stockpiled to sell later. This supply is now drying up as these exploits are fixed. Can't honestly blame the players when this was a dev screw up.

I run a very large trade guild. (1000 members and 2 traders) 1 trader in elden root and one in wayrest. The guild I run does not control any prices on anything. I don't force members to price things a certain way and I do not have people go out and run traders for low price items. We are donation based. We survive solely on donations, tax revenue from sales and raffle entries. I have maintained a trader in wayrest week in and week out with only a few times losing.

Now to the author of this thread. I believe you where in my guild in fact even on my friends list. Could you please tell me a time when I forced you to sell something at a certain price or to go out and browse traders for low price items to flip? In fact I have never even charged you a fee or even talked to you. I have allowed you to sell at one of the best locations in the game with no charge so I don't really understand why you would think that all the main large trading guilds are controlling the market. Because with 1000 members and 2 traders every week I am the leader of one of those large trade guilds and I do not try to control any market. I simply try to win my bid each week.

Im not saying you or your guild is doing it. However the proff is in the pudding. Ive played everyday since launch NEVER have prices for items been so aligned with each other. People always undercut for different reasons.

For those who are saying get gold and buy them. Im not rich but I have a few hundred k on multiple characters. Only a dummy would buy at the prices they are now. Ill wait the market out first or swap gear sets between characters if feasible.

Thelon wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing preventing a guild right now from visiting all the guild traders to purchase all the tempering alloy or dreugh wax.

@Zerok

Skill testing question:

Would that be easier or more difficult with a global auction house?

There is less than 10 key spots to visit to control more than half of the market.

Players with Awesome Guild Store can visit all these spots in less than 1 hour.

Guild traders are a false solution. A real practical solution would be built-in antitrust laws. That's what free markets IRL require to be competitive.

Catblade wrote: »

They are buying them up for sure. I won't name names but join a trading guild and watch the sales. Certain people buy up everything low and relist high

While this is happening (and I know names of a few greedy *** that do this everyday) I am not sure if all of the price differences are because of this. With more people hitting vet ranks and with the increased availability of v16 mats I think a lot of people are finally making their v16 gear too. People have been saving mats for a while and I know quite a few that are making their endgame gear and looking for improvement mats.
Supply and demand

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

You can get an add on that will tell you average prices of just about everything. As more people use that add on price extremes will naturally get closer together. Also the add on will show you really good deals as you are looking for other items. People will take advantage when they see an item on sell for half what the average price is whether they are trying to corner a market or not.

And some people play the game to make gold. To them that is the fun part of the game. They will naturally drift towards the trade guilds with the better locations. Just like some guilds specialize in PvP and can dominate a map these guilds specialize in trading and will dominate the best locations and also have an affect on prices of rare items.

Just a part of the game and nothing wrong with it.

you cant get add ons for console. this was a post about the ps4 market.

The thread got morphed to include a PC discussion.

That aside, the rest still stands. Some people enjoy the trading aspect of the game and as they spend more time perfecting that part of the game they get better at it and dominate. Just like someone who PvPs all the time can dominate someone who only occasionally PvPs.

Someone gets one shotted in PvP because they fail to block and they start yelling about something being OP. Someone has to spend 20K for a rare item and they start yelling about price fixing. Same thing really, people just wanting the game nerfed for them so they are as good as those who spend a lot more time perfecting their skills without having to put in the time.