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XP boost stacking?
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
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Enlightenment is not an XP boost, just a modifier to existing XP when gaining CP."I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point" -Matt Firor
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february
OK... so now we (will eventually) have the following XP Boosts:- Ring of Mara
- ESO:TU Subscription
- Enlightenment
- XP Boost Potions
Are there any more? Are each of these 10%. If so, then that would mean a player who subs, has the Ring of Mara (and is using is), is currently "enlightened", and uses an XP Boost from the Crown Store will have a 40% XP boost. Woof!!!
Well, I know how I'm going to get my Champion Points.
"Enlightenment provides you with a bonus to Champion Point progression, helping you earn points faster."
If CPs are earned by gaining XP... and enlightenment helps gain CP faster, how do they do this without boosting XP?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
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@Gidorick , this was back when Vet Ranks used Vet Points.Looks like they do not.
"The Rings of Mara do not work on Veteran Ranks, which is a different system than the leveling experience system."
I wonder if the same is for all the other boosts!
Since they are based on XP's now, Mara most definitely still applies.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Gidorick , this was back when Vet Ranks used Vet Points.Looks like they do not.
"The Rings of Mara do not work on Veteran Ranks, which is a different system than the leveling experience system."
I wonder if the same is for all the other boosts!
Since they are based on XP's now, Mara most definitely still applies.
I forgot they changed that. So.... yay!What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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@Gidorick say for example you earn 100 XP from something. If you are Enlightened, you get 400 XP towards your next CP, but you still only have 100 XP towards your next VR. This is because the extra 300 XP comes directly from the Enlightenment pool, and goes straight towards CPs, not general XP gain.
Enlightenment is not an XP boost, just a modifier to existing XP when gaining CP."I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point" -Matt Firor
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february
OK... so now we (will eventually) have the following XP Boosts:- Ring of Mara
- ESO:TU Subscription
- Enlightenment
- XP Boost Potions
Are there any more? Are each of these 10%. If so, then that would mean a player who subs, has the Ring of Mara (and is using is), is currently "enlightened", and uses an XP Boost from the Crown Store will have a 40% XP boost. Woof!!!
Well, I know how I'm going to get my Champion Points.
"Enlightenment provides you with a bonus to Champion Point progression, helping you earn points faster."
If CPs are earned by gaining XP... and enlightenment helps gain CP faster, how do they do this without boosting XP?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
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@Gidorick say for example you earn 100 XP from something. If you are Enlightened, you get 400 XP towards your next CP, but you still only have 100 XP towards your next VR. This is because the extra 300 XP comes directly from the Enlightenment pool, and goes straight towards CPs, not general XP gain.
Enlightenment is not an XP boost, just a modifier to existing XP when gaining CP."I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point" -Matt Firor
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february
OK... so now we (will eventually) have the following XP Boosts:- Ring of Mara
- ESO:TU Subscription
- Enlightenment
- XP Boost Potions
Are there any more? Are each of these 10%. If so, then that would mean a player who subs, has the Ring of Mara (and is using is), is currently "enlightened", and uses an XP Boost from the Crown Store will have a 40% XP boost. Woof!!!
Well, I know how I'm going to get my Champion Points.
"Enlightenment provides you with a bonus to Champion Point progression, helping you earn points faster."
If CPs are earned by gaining XP... and enlightenment helps gain CP faster, how do they do this without boosting XP?
Ooh... that's kind of cool actually. Thanks for the clarification!What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭HeyHey! XP boosts stack additive. No need to make things overly complicated.
So 2*10% XP bonus results in 20% total.
Hey I have eso+ I want to marry two friends and all of us wear the rings for %20 buff. I recently purchased 45 exscrolls that give 50%. So that's a 80% buff if it all stacks. My question is does it stack?0 -
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✭✭✭@ZOS_JanS , does the development team consider the experience boost from subscribing to be "pay to win?"
If not, then I would like to know why they don't feel as though players getting more powerful for spending money, ceteris paribus, to be "pay to win."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have never used my ring either.Cant find anyone to share it with. :}
Don't feel bad @Volkodav . I still have my pledge from day one too.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »@ZOS_JanS , does the development team consider the experience boost from subscribing to be "pay to win?"
If not, then I would like to know why they don't feel as though players getting more powerful for spending money, ceteris paribus, to be "pay to win."
Because, it's an experience boost. Similar things are offered in game (easily obtainable, I might add). They aren't selling gear, they aren't selling 1-shot items. Maybe you should educate yourself on what P2W means, because this isn't even close.
Have a good day, @Personofsecrets.
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭There isn't really a definition of pay to win @Valrien. Different people have different perspectives on it.
If an item's p2w status can be determined by whether or notSimilar things are offered in game
Then why is selling gear for money consisted p2w? As long as similar gear can be obtained in game?
Would selling levels be p2w? Of course, right?
The whole p2w concept and definition is loose at best and is subject to the opinion of each player. I think @Personofsecrets has a valid point.Edited by Gidorick on December 15, 2015 1:41PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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✭Did I hear correctly P2W was being discussed here?Personofsecrets wrote: »@ZOS_JanS , does the development team consider the experience boost from subscribing to be "pay to win?"
If not, then I would like to know why they don't feel as though players getting more powerful for spending money, ceteris paribus, to be "pay to win."
Because, it's an experience boost. Similar things are offered in game (easily obtainable, I might add). They aren't selling gear...
And if they sold gear?..., they aren't selling 1-shot items. Maybe you should educate yourself on what P2W means, because this isn't even close.
Have a good day, @Personofsecrets.
Pray, tell us, what P2W means?
Edited by JamilaRaj on December 15, 2015 2:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭Anyone want to marry me and go grinding? We can get a divorce when I hit v16.
So now the real question:
Ring of Mara= +10% XP
ESO:TU Sub= +10% XP
Experience boost on the crown store = +50% XP
70% XP boost?
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Anyone want to marry me and go grinding? We can get a divorce when I hit v16.
So now the real question:
Ring of Mara= +10% XP
ESO:TU Sub= +10% XP
Experience boost on the crown store = +50% XP
70% XP boost?
Does the 10% being in a duo boost it too?0 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All I know @Valrien is that my friend had 440 champion points when I had 400. They also had subbed while I had not. The experience boost literally made them stronger despite our otherwise equal experience gaining rate.
They paid and are stronger as a result. P2W is fine. I wish I could pay for certain items rather than grind meaninglessly for them. Everything in life is P2W, but I just want to know what the developers think about the subject.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »All I know @Valrien is that my friend had 440 champion points when I had 400. They also had subbed while I had not. The experience boost literally made them stronger despite our otherwise equal experience gaining rate.
They paid and are stronger as a result. P2W is fine. I wish I could pay for certain items rather than grind meaninglessly for them. Everything in life is P2W, but I just want to know what the developers think about the subject.
I will have to take your side on this one. It is slight, but there is a power advantage for people paying/subscribing. It is what it is, and I am not necessarily opposed (considering I subscribe). I think there are miles between this and for example putting Maelstrom Weapons in the Crown Store, but this is definitely on the spectrum. The danger is always taking it too far.
One thing that has always concerned me is the ability to turn cash into in-game gold. They had always avoided this until they put Malachite in the crown store. Now a crafter could theoretically turn cash into gold buy buying the Malachite with crowns and selling crafted glass gear. Malachite prices sort of fell through the floor, so its not a huge issue, but technically this allows cash to be turned to gold. Something to keep an eye on in the future.0 -
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✭✭✭Your friend got stronger because he paid, indirectly, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have access to an in-game way to get the same goal met. He could have bought Psijic Ambrosia and literally had the same thing done. @Personofsecrets
@JamilaRaj P2W means: An advantage that cannot easily be received in-game and that a player has received for paying cash. This is literally the opposite of P2W considering that you can get exp potions (quite easily) in-game. Also, if they sold gear, it would be different, depending on the item in-question and how easily it can be obtained. Maelstrom Weapons? Big no-no. Set of level 10 starter-gear that isn't really that good? I'd be fine with that, but in truth even that'd be a gray area.
@Brrrofski To answer your question, all exp boosts stack. So group bonus, ESO+, Ring of Mara, and Exp Pots all stack.
@Gidorick Selling levels would also be a gray area. Buying level 50, for example, would mean almost nothing, especially since you don't automatically get Skyshards, Lore Books, Fighters' Guild kills, etc., etc.,.Edited by Valrien on December 15, 2015 11:19PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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DMBCML✭✭✭Hey folks! The ESO Plus bonus can indeed be combined with the Rings of Mara. And don't forget that there's the grouping bonus as well. So, yes, the bonuses do stack. Hope that helps.
So, since my husband and I both have the Imperial edition, and he used his ring of Mara for our main characters, will we get the same bonus for our next pair of characters for which we will use my ring of Mara.?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Your friend got stronger because he paid, indirectly, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have access to an in-game way to get the same goal met. He could have bought Psijic Ambrosia and literally had the same thing done. @Personofsecrets
Not exactly true. Crown XP scrolls are arguably not P2W because as you stated, you can craft/buy Ambrosia in game. The same cannot be said about the XP boost from subscribing. There is no way to replicate that in-game. If you want this advantage (however so slight) you must pay for it. Again, I dont think it's gamebreaking, but it is certainly on the spectrum of pay to win.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hey folks! The ESO Plus bonus can indeed be combined with the Rings of Mara. And don't forget that there's the grouping bonus as well. So, yes, the bonuses do stack. Hope that helps.
So, since my husband and I both have the Imperial edition, and he used his ring of Mara for our main characters, will we get the same bonus for our next pair of characters for which we will use my ring of Mara.?
Rings are character bound, not account bound. If you want to level new toons and get the XP bonus, they will need their own rings.
If you have one you didnt use on your character, you should be able to use that to marry on your new character. Each pledge of mara is really a set of rings.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on December 15, 2015 11:40PM0 -
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✭Your friend got stronger because he paid, indirectly, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have access to an in-game way to get the same goal met. He could have bought Psijic Ambrosia and literally had the same thing done. @Personofsecrets
In which case he would end up with less gold, but he managed to get extra CPs and keep his gold at the same time. For the other player, of equal skill and resources (time), that is impossible to achieve unless he pays too.@JamilaRaj P2W means: An advantage that cannot easily be received in-game and that a player has received for paying cash. This is literally the opposite of P2W considering that you can get exp potions (quite easily) in-game. Also, if they sold gear, it would be different, depending on the item in-question and how easily it can be obtained. Maelstrom Weapons? Big no-no. Set of level 10 starter-gear that isn't really that good? I'd be fine with that, but in truth even that'd be a gray area.
Subscription experience boost, the one you declared was not P2W, is an advantage and there is no way it could be obtained in-game, therefore by your own definition it is P2W.
Malestorm weapons, big no-no, are also, from what I heard, unavailable unless you pay for DLC.
Also, let's say easily is when it takes up to and no more than X hours of effort to get something. If a player bought an advantage A that would take X/2 to get otherwise, it would not be P2W. If he bought also B and C that too would take X/2 each, his aggregate advantage would stand and 1.5X and that would be P2W, right?@Brrrofski To answer your question, all exp boosts stack. So group bonus, ESO+, Ring of Mara, and Exp Pots all stack.
@Gidorick Selling levels would also be a gray area. Buying level 50, for example, would mean almost nothing, especially since you don't automatically get Skyshards, Lore Books, Fighters' Guild kills, etc., etc.,.
Edited by JamilaRaj on December 16, 2015 2:42PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@JamilaRaj P2W means: An advantage that cannot easily be received in-game and that a player has received for paying cash. This is literally the opposite of P2W considering that you can get exp potions (quite easily) in-game. Also, if they sold gear, it would be different, depending on the item in-question and how easily it can be obtained. Maelstrom Weapons? Big no-no. Set of level 10 starter-gear that isn't really that good? I'd be fine with that, but in truth even that'd be a gray area.
@Valrien what do you mean by "EASILY" received. That's very VERY relative. Gold is very easy to get in game... should I be allowed to buy gold with Crowns? Your rules seem kind of arbitrary and along the lines of a "Things I don't want them to sell" list, which would be different for every player.@Gidorick Selling levels would also be a gray area. Buying level 50, for example, would mean almost nothing, especially since you don't automatically get Skyshards, Lore Books, Fighters' Guild kills, etc., etc.,.
How about selling levels and selling "Zone Skyshard" and "Zone Lorebook" packs? Let me pay $5 per zone to get all the skyshards and lorebooks in that zone without having to actually run around to get them. Time saver and they are easy to obtain in-game.
I disagree with this, I'm just making a point.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Your friend got stronger because he paid, indirectly, but that doesn't mean that he didn't have access to an in-game way to get the same goal met. He could have bought Psijic Ambrosia and literally had the same thing done. @Personofsecrets
Not exactly true. Crown XP scrolls are arguably not P2W because as you stated, you can craft/buy Ambrosia in game. The same cannot be said about the XP boost from subscribing. There is no way to replicate that in-game. If you want this advantage (however so slight) you must pay for it. Again, I dont think it's gamebreaking, but it is certainly on the spectrum of pay to win.
The same can be said with the Pledge of Mara... right?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!0 -
ZOS,
A lot of confusion could be avoided if you showed the Ring of Mara XP buff on the character sheet. I just equipped one and cannot tell if it is working. You show the buff for food, for ESO+, etc., so It is not like it is hard to do, and these rings have been around for years now.
I found a 2 year old twitter post that says they do not work on veteran ranks. Is this still the case?
Where is the official and up to date information?0
