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✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Bolt escape works every time. My cloak works 1/3 of the time. I don't want to hear it. Don't believe me? Here watch this fight of mine:
https://youtu.be/w2wLbbWuYdM 1 -
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✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Cloak is an issue however, the stacking cost increase needs to be removed from streak and not added to anything else period.
And yes i have played a nightblade.
Cloak has a long list of counters Bolt Escape has one gap closers it was meant to be an escape from battle. But it was used to jump across the map.
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »Ara_Valleria wrote: »PeaNutShotz wrote: »For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!
But QQing is easier soooooooooo why L2counter ?
And their argument for why they shouldn't have to L2counter is that they shouldn't have to bring something to counter it if they want to counter it. "Why should I have to use a detect pot or AOE ability to hard counter cloak?" Sigh.
omg do you all actually read? if its a learn to counter please explain how a magicka dk can kill a nb right now?
Ash Cloud
Detect Pots
Revealing Flare
any AoE
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And since most MagBlades are Vamps too for the sneak speed & other stuffz... a couple of Lava Whips will take care of the restDarnathian wrote: »you should have to slot a seperate ability like the THREE other classes. that is what makes cloak OP.
Again: Templars have their own Purge as well -> not a good argument
If the purge gets removed from the Cloak, then reentering stealth isn't possible anymore. MagBlades will be crippled then and the cycle will repeat: angry mob of MagBlades asking for other classes to get nerfed which ZOS will do, then more QQ,...
Instead of asking for nerfs, do smth constructive and assist the other classes by asking ZOS to boost them. Let them have their own OP skillz then instead of trying to ruin a class by taking away a key skill
tl;dr -> L2P and tell ZOS to boost DK and Temps
omg. again you look foolish. learn to read. ITS NOT A ABOUT THE STEALTH. he said to learn to play and i asked how a magicka dk can beat a nb if the instantly purge off the dots.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's funny when nb's say AOE to get us out..
I use caltraps the biggest aoe and even then it's still easy for nb's to slip away.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Ara_Valleria wrote: »PeaNutShotz wrote: »For all the people saying go and nerf cloak. Well here is my 2 cents. Go and play a nb, use cloak to get out of a sticky situation, and see if it works 75% it doesnt, and while your pvping and using cloak do tell us how it needs to be nerfed cuz a lot of things will bring u out of cloak. So unless you play a nightblade stop your bit**ing about nerfing cloak. Otherwise nerfing sorcs, nerfing dk's, nerf, templars. For the love of god. Just pvp and play your class and learn to counter that other class!
But QQing is easier soooooooooo why L2counter ?
And their argument for why they shouldn't have to L2counter is that they shouldn't have to bring something to counter it if they want to counter it. "Why should I have to use a detect pot or AOE ability to hard counter cloak?" Sigh.
omg do you all actually read? if its a learn to counter please explain how a magicka dk can kill a nb right now?
Ash Cloud
Detect Pots
Revealing Flare
any AoE
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And since most MagBlades are Vamps too for the sneak speed & other stuffz... a couple of Lava Whips will take care of the restDarnathian wrote: »you should have to slot a seperate ability like the THREE other classes. that is what makes cloak OP.
Again: Templars have their own Purge as well -> not a good argument
If the purge gets removed from the Cloak, then reentering stealth isn't possible anymore. MagBlades will be crippled then and the cycle will repeat: angry mob of MagBlades asking for other classes to get nerfed which ZOS will do, then more QQ,...
Instead of asking for nerfs, do smth constructive and assist the other classes by asking ZOS to boost them. Let them have their own OP skillz then instead of trying to ruin a class by taking away a key skill
tl;dr -> L2P and tell ZOS to boost DK and Temps
omg. again you look foolish. learn to read. ITS NOT A ABOUT THE STEALTH. he said to learn to play and i asked how a magicka dk can beat a nb if the instantly purge off the dots.
Uhm, you call me a fool yet you haven't even bothered reading what I wrote there? Cuz I mentioned plenty of DK counters to Cloak (first things I mentioned)
And the whole Cloak thing IS about the stealth: ppl don't wanna get ganked or don't wanna have a NB escape the fight
So yeah, agian -> L2P"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every Class I was saying a passive that gives max health. NB's are the only class with a passive like that.Which class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DK Which skill can a dk slot to get that buff? They need to keep recasting coagulating dragon blood for that, not just slot a skill.Add in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm? Sorry, only 2 of the nb's passives are strong in terms of defense.Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier 15% everything regen doesn't help at all
Sorcs have mobility and shields Shadow image teleport, 3 sources of the major speed buff
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth) Or to skillfully dodge select attacks and gain all the passives from it to survive
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top I'm just saying, the more nb's say they don't have much, that they are squishy and that they only have cloak, the more I have to laugh about that.
- Ever checked the Heavy Armor Skill tree? Or Mages Guild? It's not NB exclusive. Plus every class has unique passives that make the Max HP increase seem like a joke: decreased Ulti Cost, increased Spell Damage, Restoring resources,...
- Slotting or using skills,... not much of a difference there, is it?
- DK: extra regen, reflect skill, Fire Damage skills against Vamps, Magma Shell,...
- Sorc: Bolt Escape vs Shadow Image (and Shadow Image is rather gimmicky); Double Take and Refreshing Path vs Boundless Storm. Plus Sorcs still have their Shields
- Skillfully dodge select attacks and gain all the passives from it to survive... like an Assassin? I think that's pretty much the NB Job description
- Never said NB don't have much, I'm simply stating all of these things to show that NB (especially MagBlades) are heavily reliant on Cloak. If it were to be taken away, we'd lose extra effects on skills (Stun from Concealed Weapon for instance), the stealth damage passive
Cloak is a necessity for NB for us to do what we're supposed to do
The only change (made a thread about it once) it should receive would be a reduction (not 0%!!!) in Magicka Regen while the Cloak is up. But don't get rid of the purge or the invisibility or anything.
StamBlades would prob not feel any nerf to Cloak, but MagBlades would be crippled: no more stealth (Light Armor no good, lots of tripping cuz of our robes), reliant on sustain builds (but both Templar and Sorc sustain Magicka builds >>> MagBlade without Cloak) and DK would just slaughter us
read what you wrote. dont remove the purge or invisibility. those are two extremely good skills. and you should only have one skill that does both?
Stay on topic. why should you not have to slot a seperate skill like everyone else?
you keep pointing out how every other class has access to nuerral skill lines. fine c your own argument. nbs have access to purge as well. why cant they use that instead of having a skill that does both?
i know whats coming next. let me beat the stam blades to the punch. it will be we dont have enough magicka. good. that means you will have to choose to purge stay and fight. or cloak and run. similar to sorcs with the streak nerf.
not dance around untouchable and do what you like.1 -
Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »Nightblade insight.
Shadow Claok the base power and the Morph don't drop DoTs so when a DoT ticks it breaks your Cloak.
Meaning that the power is useless vs DoTs so you have to take Dark Cloak otherwise it's useless.
I don't think anyone is discussing the base morph or the crit morph as they are rarely used in pvp. Everyone is discussing how much Dark Cloak can do in itself through buffs and passives it benefits from. Te simple fact that it does so much while nothing comes close to that shows its power.
There honestly is no reason to take the crit one since cloak already buffs your weapon damage and spell damage as if your in stealth and that is just as beneficial as gaining 100% crit chance.
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Well that's the problem without removing DoTs it would be it's base form which is near unusable.
The base power or crit one would be great if not for DoTs it only last 2.9 seconds at max and most DoTs tick every .5 - 1.0 seconds so it's no worth getting a third of the time that why people don't use the other one.
Nightblades also lack strong heals so dropping off DoTs makes up for that.
4 DoTs is a lot. They pretty much removes every DoT a DK can apply to them making almost their entire class useless by 1 skill. NBs have stronger heals than DKs now as sad as that is.
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No still use our heals all heals not just Dragon Knight heals were cut by 50% Strife is still a better attack then heal but it does heal.
Sap, Mark and Killers Blade were all used before the healing nerf and are still used. Dragon Blood still heals having it going still grants 12% bonus healing from class passives. More health regen with a heal that's heal buffed and more healing or stamina regen that's a great power but cause it can't get you back to max in two hits DKs dropped it.
The problem is Nightblades have not stopped using our powers heals suck at the same level we just still use them. Burst was always our advantage.
4 DoTs is not OP no class shield or class burst heal in combat. Mages can't take many hits and StamBlades can't keep purging DoTs. I have died to good Dragon Knights DoTing the hell out of me then Whip spam you can't purg them all.
do you play a dk? stop theory crafting. gdb is done. no one uses it. no one. stop being an arm chair quarterback. that skill is destroyed. just like wings that stop projectiles 50% of the time.
frozn has posted screenies of it. magicka dk is completely broke on so many levels.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That's exactly the problem that MagBlades are facing: how can we make use of our stealth passives and stealth skills if we can't stealth at all?
- Light Armor doesn't allow us to sneak around like Medium Armor
- Cloak is there for the MagBlades to sneak, but if a DoT removes the Cloak then the purge on it becomes necessary
My Solution -> Reduced Magicka Regen (50-80%) while Cloaked (had a thread about it, will link it once I find it)
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?Edited by Darnathian on December 12, 2015 2:31PM0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭BTW, found my thread:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226473/a-suggestion-for-a-tweak-nerf-to-cloak/p1
the ONLY change to Cloak that should/could happen"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭BTW, found my thread:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226473/a-suggestion-for-a-tweak-nerf-to-cloak/p1
the ONLY change to Cloak that should/could happen
Yup I read it. Its a good start but also should remove the purge bonus. that is what makes it op. I could care less about the spamming. as you stated in that thread there are plenty of counters. so what does that cost increase change?
the problem, imo, hence why I created this thread, is that it is two extremely powerful skills in one. That needs to be fixed IMO. so how about this. I will stick to my thread and you stick to yours. Mkay?0 -
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✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance
Ditto. Trust me. I am just quoting what you are saying. You are wrong. Plain and simple. You stated "can't change the mechanics of a DoT". I simply proved that false. They have the ability. Hence why would they "be thinking" about it?0 -
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✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance
So making NBs have to slot purge, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, would ruin that class and balance? How about bring it into balance.
You want to talk about ruining a class. Okay. How about that one button DESTROYS the entire Magicka DK Class that is DoT based. That's right because Magicka DKs would be semi viable again in this wonderful game of Burst Online.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »BTW, found my thread:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226473/a-suggestion-for-a-tweak-nerf-to-cloak/p1
the ONLY change to Cloak that should/could happen
Yup I read it. Its a good start but also should remove the purge bonus. that is what makes it op. I could care less about the spamming. as you stated in that thread there are plenty of counters. so what does that cost increase change?
the problem, imo, hence why I created this thread, is that it is two extremely powerful skills in one. That needs to be fixed IMO. so how about this. I will stick to my thread and you stick to yours. Mkay?
Thx, I appreciate it if ppl take the time for a nice discussion and do a bit of idea brainstorming.
The Magicka Regen and Cloak Spam is there to take the unfair element away from the Cloak. StamBlades can sneak, but it costs Stamina until they stop sneaking or run out of it. MagBlades on the other hand can stay in stealth and regain Magicka without losing Stamina and even getting full Magicka again.
Which is why I proposed that tweak: to prevent MagBlades from staying in stealth all the time and put them on an even lvl as a StamBlade.
I know what you are trying to say: remove the purge while keeping the invisibility. But it's impossible since any attack done to a NB or a Resto Staff/Purge skill take the NB out of stealth.
Even if a DK DoT "sticks", it'll still knock the Cloak away and cripple MagBlades. And IIRC, the purge got added to the Cloak since it was all but useless in the beginning of ESO.
Plus in large groups and zergs, there are so many skills thrown around that even 4 DoT removals isn't enough and still knocks the Cloak away. You have to think about it in a large scale battle: how would a skill like that be beneficial to you and your allies? And in the case of Cloak, it's to successfully sneak and gank ppl.
And @Strider_Roshin posted a video above that show that Cloak, even with the Purge, isn't OP and doesn't always work.
So in short: the Purge HAS to be thereDarnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance
Ditto. Trust me. I am just quoting what you are saying. You are wrong. Plain and simple. You stated "can't change the mechanics of a DoT". I simply proved that false. They have the ability. Hence why would they "be thinking" about it?
I'm not wrong.
Sure they have that ability, but can they add it without screwing things up?
The only change to DoT they should do? Make it affect Shields
But even that is kinda risky since it could potentially ruin the "balance" they have now.
So plz, don't ask for nerfs and ask for the other classes and their skills to be boosted. It would be better if Templar for instance (since they are the Light class, NB are the Dark Class) would receive an Anti-Stealth skill (like Mark) IMO"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭Darnathian wrote: »BTW, found my thread:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226473/a-suggestion-for-a-tweak-nerf-to-cloak/p1
the ONLY change to Cloak that should/could happen
Yup I read it. Its a good start but also should remove the purge bonus. that is what makes it op. I could care less about the spamming. as you stated in that thread there are plenty of counters. so what does that cost increase change?
the problem, imo, hence why I created this thread, is that it is two extremely powerful skills in one. That needs to be fixed IMO. so how about this. I will stick to my thread and you stick to yours. Mkay?
Thx, I appreciate it if ppl take the time for a nice discussion and do a bit of idea brainstorming.
The Magicka Regen and Cloak Spam is there to take the unfair element away from the Cloak. StamBlades can sneak, but it costs Stamina until they stop sneaking or run out of it. MagBlades on the other hand can stay in stealth and regain Magicka without losing Stamina and even getting full Magicka again.
Which is why I proposed that tweak: to prevent MagBlades from staying in stealth all the time and put them on an even lvl as a StamBlade.
I know what you are trying to say: remove the purge while keeping the invisibility. But it's impossible since any attack done to a NB or a Resto Staff/Purge skill take the NB out of stealth.
Even if a DK DoT "sticks", it'll still knock the Cloak away and cripple MagBlades. And IIRC, the purge got added to the Cloak since it was all but useless in the beginning of ESO.
Plus in large groups and zergs, there are so many skills thrown around that even 4 DoT removals isn't enough and still knocks the Cloak away. You have to think about it in a large scale battle: how would a skill like that be beneficial to you and your allies? And in the case of Cloak, it's to successfully sneak and gank ppl.
And @Strider_Roshin posted a video above that show that Cloak, even with the Purge, isn't OP and doesn't always work.
So in short: the Purge HAS to be thereDarnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance
Ditto. Trust me. I am just quoting what you are saying. You are wrong. Plain and simple. You stated "can't change the mechanics of a DoT". I simply proved that false. They have the ability. Hence why would they "be thinking" about it?
I'm not wrong.
Sure they have that ability, but can they add it without screwing things up?
The only change to DoT they should do? Make it affect Shields
But even that is kinda risky since it could potentially ruin the "balance" they have now.
So plz, don't ask for nerfs and ask for the other classes and their skills to be boosted. It would be better if Templar for instance (since they are the Light class, NB are the Dark Class) would receive an Anti-Stealth skill (like Mark) IMO
i dont really ask for nerfs unless they are needed. i have v16's for every class. the only nerfs i see needed are that and shield stacking. then some tweaks here or there.
for my nb it would be easy to slot purge and cloak. hit purge then cloak right after. why is that asking too much?
it would add a bigger level of skill instead of just hitting the one button. you cannot argue that there is another skill out there that does as much all rolled into one skill. that is crazy how OP it is. especially if you can spam it0 -
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✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »BTW, found my thread:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226473/a-suggestion-for-a-tweak-nerf-to-cloak/p1
the ONLY change to Cloak that should/could happen
Yup I read it. Its a good start but also should remove the purge bonus. that is what makes it op. I could care less about the spamming. as you stated in that thread there are plenty of counters. so what does that cost increase change?
the problem, imo, hence why I created this thread, is that it is two extremely powerful skills in one. That needs to be fixed IMO. so how about this. I will stick to my thread and you stick to yours. Mkay?
Thx, I appreciate it if ppl take the time for a nice discussion and do a bit of idea brainstorming.
The Magicka Regen and Cloak Spam is there to take the unfair element away from the Cloak. StamBlades can sneak, but it costs Stamina until they stop sneaking or run out of it. MagBlades on the other hand can stay in stealth and regain Magicka without losing Stamina and even getting full Magicka again.
Which is why I proposed that tweak: to prevent MagBlades from staying in stealth all the time and put them on an even lvl as a StamBlade.
I know what you are trying to say: remove the purge while keeping the invisibility. But it's impossible since any attack done to a NB or a Resto Staff/Purge skill take the NB out of stealth.
Even if a DK DoT "sticks", it'll still knock the Cloak away and cripple MagBlades. And IIRC, the purge got added to the Cloak since it was all but useless in the beginning of ESO.
Plus in large groups and zergs, there are so many skills thrown around that even 4 DoT removals isn't enough and still knocks the Cloak away. You have to think about it in a large scale battle: how would a skill like that be beneficial to you and your allies? And in the case of Cloak, it's to successfully sneak and gank ppl.
And @Strider_Roshin posted a video above that show that Cloak, even with the Purge, isn't OP and doesn't always work.
So in short: the Purge HAS to be thereDarnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »Which class gets the major resist buffs by using ANY skill from a whole tree
And which classes have skills to get the same results? Not NBwhich class has a passive that gives max health per ability slotted from a whole tree
Every ClassWhich class can slot a skill to passively get the minor healing received buff.
DKAdd in that 2 of their ultimates are more than a little helpful in the 'surviving' department (60% damage reduction or sap health from 6 targets) and you can get bloody durable.
OMG, I wonder what DK/Sorcs/Temps should do with this Vampire Skill... what's it called again? Devouring Swarm?Add in how cloak can purge 4 dots, triggers the resist buff and by simply having it slotted you get more health, and I have to say to any NB claimin they are squishy, that they haven't bothered looking at their class in a while. Honestly.
Right...
DK have better resource management and are tankier
Sorcs have mobility and shields
Temps have so many self heals
What does the NB have?
Cloak and the means to gank (stealth)
So a last plea to the community:
Don't take Cloak away unless you all want NB to be worse off than Templars are now. Don't ask for nerfs, ask for the other classes to get boosted instead
Pretty please with a cherry on top
do you even read? my original post is to remove the "removes dots". that is what makes this skill op. dont try the poor nb speech unless you actual read and provide a unbiased opinion. sorcs got the streak treatment, dks got thier wings clipped, and templars have had multiple skills nerfed.
cloak is rediculously op. if you dont see that then i would suggest you play other classes to see how they all balance together.
And not having the DoT removed is exactly how to ruin Cloak, cuz then it's impossible to reenter stealth The DoT knocks a Cloak away from the NB
Which was exaclty what got added to the skill in the first place in order to allow NB to cloak in Cyrodiil, since Cloak was broken back then
Srsly, READ the damn posts be4 telling someone else to read
again you look silly. dont jump in the middle of conversations and talk crap. it was stated to change the dots to not pulling you out of stealth. any other questions junior?
and again, you are ignorant
Remove the Purge == killing stealth
can't change the mechanics of a DoT
Sure they can. Do you listen to Wrobel? He said they are thinking about making DKs DOTs stick.
Who is ignorant? Just stop.
Yeah, I kinda feel like talking to a brick wall here
"thinking" is not the same as "making" it, especially if it ruins classes or gameplay balance
Ditto. Trust me. I am just quoting what you are saying. You are wrong. Plain and simple. You stated "can't change the mechanics of a DoT". I simply proved that false. They have the ability. Hence why would they "be thinking" about it?
I'm not wrong.
Sure they have that ability, but can they add it without screwing things up?
The only change to DoT they should do? Make it affect Shields
But even that is kinda risky since it could potentially ruin the "balance" they have now.
So plz, don't ask for nerfs and ask for the other classes and their skills to be boosted. It would be better if Templar for instance (since they are the Light class, NB are the Dark Class) would receive an Anti-Stealth skill (like Mark) IMO
i dont really ask for nerfs unless they are needed. i have v16's for every class. the only nerfs i see needed are that and shield stacking. then some tweaks here or there.
for my nb it would be easy to slot purge and cloak. hit purge then cloak right after. why is that asking too much?
it would add a bigger level of skill instead of just hitting the one button. you cannot argue that there is another skill out there that does as much all rolled into one skill. that is crazy how OP it is. especially if you can spam it
Puncturing sweeps is a single target, an AoE, a CC, a self heal, and it's inexpensive and spamable. There are a lot of abilities in this game that do multiple effects. Dark cloak is an escape and a mini purge (purge can actually remove piercing mark, dark cloak can't). I could compile a giant list with other examples but the fact of the matter is that a very large amount of abilities in this game have multiple effects, it isn't that unique in that aspect. Where it is unique however, is with its horrible success rate. In my opinion it is the most unreliable move in the game. I usually hit the cloak button 2 or 3 times just to make sure it works at least once.Edited by Strider_Roshin on December 12, 2015 4:23PM1 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Bolt escape works every time. My cloak works 1/3 of the time. I don't want to hear it. Don't believe me? Here watch this fight of mine:https://youtu.be/w2wLbbWuYdM
Cloak also makes you untargetable and invisible.
The problem with cloak is that nightblades can just walk out of any fight they don't want to be in. It wasn't ok for sorcs, it isn't ok for nightblades.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Bolt escape works every time. My cloak works 1/3 of the time. I don't want to hear it. Don't believe me? Here watch this fight of mine:https://youtu.be/w2wLbbWuYdM
Cloak also makes you untargetable and invisible.
The problem with cloak is that nightblades can just walk out of any fight they don't want to be in. It wasn't ok for sorcs, it isn't ok for nightblades.
Detection potions, AoEs, anti-cloak moves such as piercing mark and revealing flare; makes Nightblades targetable and visible. There's no NOPE move that stops sorcs from bolt escaping. On top of that bolt escape damages and CCs, not to mention reveals cloaked Nightblades.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Bolt escape works every time. My cloak works 1/3 of the time. I don't want to hear it. Don't believe me? Here watch this fight of mine:https://youtu.be/w2wLbbWuYdM
Cloak also makes you untargetable and invisible.
The problem with cloak is that nightblades can just walk out of any fight they don't want to be in. It wasn't ok for sorcs, it isn't ok for nightblades.
Detection potions, AoEs, anti-cloak moves such as piercing mark and revealing flare; makes Nightblades targetable and visible. There's no NOPE move that stops sorcs from bolt escaping. On top of that bolt escape damages and CCs, not to mention reveals cloaked Nightblades.
Piercing mark is a nb skill.
Revelaing flare is assault 7...
Aoe's are completely unreliable.
Detect pots, sure there an option, but that requires a lot of gold and you lose your potion cooldown.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Bolt escape works every time. My cloak works 1/3 of the time. I don't want to hear it. Don't believe me? Here watch this fight of mine:https://youtu.be/w2wLbbWuYdM
Cloak also makes you untargetable and invisible.
The problem with cloak is that nightblades can just walk out of any fight they don't want to be in. It wasn't ok for sorcs, it isn't ok for nightblades.
Detection potions, AoEs, anti-cloak moves such as piercing mark and revealing flare; makes Nightblades targetable and visible. There's no NOPE move that stops sorcs from bolt escaping. On top of that bolt escape damages and CCs, not to mention reveals cloaked Nightblades.
Piercing mark is a nb skill.
Revelaing flare is assault 7...
Aoe's are completely unreliable.
Detect pots, sure there an option, but that requires a lot of gold and you lose your potion cooldown.
Lol more you're making excuses. Caltrops are easier to obtain, and if you're stamina based steel tornado is the anti Nightblade move, and biting jabs prevents a Nightblade from cloaking if you keep the pressure on him/her.0 -
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✭Use ground based AoE. I am instantly uncloaked and cant cloak standing in it.
Invisibility means you cant see me.
How can you target lock something you cant see ?Edited by Rune_Relic on December 12, 2015 6:03PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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✭Darnathian wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »hammayolettuce wrote: »kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »Nightblade insight.
Shadow Claok the base power and the Morph don't drop DoTs so when a DoT ticks it breaks your Cloak.
Meaning that the power is useless vs DoTs so you have to take Dark Cloak otherwise it's useless.
I don't think anyone is discussing the base morph or the crit morph as they are rarely used in pvp. Everyone is discussing how much Dark Cloak can do in itself through buffs and passives it benefits from. Te simple fact that it does so much while nothing comes close to that shows its power.
There honestly is no reason to take the crit one since cloak already buffs your weapon damage and spell damage as if your in stealth and that is just as beneficial as gaining 100% crit chance.
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Well that's the problem without removing DoTs it would be it's base form which is near unusable.
The base power or crit one would be great if not for DoTs it only last 2.9 seconds at max and most DoTs tick every .5 - 1.0 seconds so it's no worth getting a third of the time that why people don't use the other one.
Nightblades also lack strong heals so dropping off DoTs makes up for that.
4 DoTs is a lot. They pretty much removes every DoT a DK can apply to them making almost their entire class useless by 1 skill. NBs have stronger heals than DKs now as sad as that is.
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No still use our heals all heals not just Dragon Knight heals were cut by 50% Strife is still a better attack then heal but it does heal.
Sap, Mark and Killers Blade were all used before the healing nerf and are still used. Dragon Blood still heals having it going still grants 12% bonus healing from class passives. More health regen with a heal that's heal buffed and more healing or stamina regen that's a great power but cause it can't get you back to max in two hits DKs dropped it.
The problem is Nightblades have not stopped using our powers heals suck at the same level we just still use them. Burst was always our advantage.
4 DoTs is not OP no class shield or class burst heal in combat. Mages can't take many hits and StamBlades can't keep purging DoTs. I have died to good Dragon Knights DoTing the hell out of me then Whip spam you can't purg them all.
do you play a dk? stop theory crafting. gdb is done. no one uses it. no one. stop being an arm chair quarterback. that skill is destroyed. just like wings that stop projectiles 50% of the time.
frozn has posted screenies of it. magicka dk is completely broke on so many levels.
I do play a bad a** Dragon Knight and yea the heal is half as good but I still get 20% health and stamina regeneration buff and take 12% more healing while it's going thanks to class passives.
It's not to cast two times and out back to full much like Breathe of Life was but it's still awesome.
Suprise Attack loss half it's damage you think I'm dropping it from my bar anytime soon no.
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Good idea, let streak be just as broken as cloak.hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Not working half the time, and in those cases it actually works. more like streak sending you off in a random direction.
With cloak your own DoTs and HoTs break it, not to mention any AOE (and let's be frank almost anything but light attacks seem to be "AOE" as far as cloak is concerned).
Does streak have the same problem? Hardly!
Frankly, cloak is only worth it for the purge. You remove that, might as well remove the skill altogether.
And for your info, it's also anything but a 100% damage shield, quite the contrary, unless you use just light attacks.
Would give a lot for having a NB skill that rolls great movability, with (more often than not unbreakable) stun anyone all along the way AND damage into one, single skill and that skill based on your strongest attribute to boot.
Countering cloak on the other paw is easy. If that gives you trouble, seriously, learn to play.
Now streak ... still working on a useful counter that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Any suggestions welcome.
And while we are at it, cloak doesn't purge (velocious) curse. At the beginning cloak (supposedly) removed "negative" effects (never really worked anyway then), but now it's only DoTs, and that does not seem to take damage "after" time into account, at least as far as ZOS is concerned. Your call if that's bug or feature.Edited by duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO on December 12, 2015 11:58PM0 -
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✭duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO wrote: »
Good idea, let streak be just as broken as cloak.hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Not working half the time, and in those cases it actually works. more like streak sending you off in a random direction.
With cloak your own DoTs and HoTs break it, not to mention any AOE (and let's be frank almost anything but light attacks seem to be "AOE" as far as cloak is concerned).
Does streak have the same problem? Hardly!
Frankly, cloak is only worth it for the purge. You remove that, might as well remove the skill altogether.
Would give a lot for having a NB skill that rolls great movability, with (more often than not unbreakable) stun anyone all along the way AND damage into one, single skill and that skill based on your strongest attribute to boot.
Countering cloak on the other paw is easy. If that gives you trouble, seriously, learn to play.
Now streak ... still working on a useful counter that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Any suggestions welcome.
And while we are at it, cloak doesn't purge (velocious) curse. At the beginning cloak (supposedly) removed "negative" effects (never really worked anyway then), but now it's only DoTs, and that does not seem to take damage "after" time into account, at least as far as ZOS is concerned. Your call if that's bug or feature.
In high latency good luck getting streak to work and you can't streak in the direction your cross hairs are you streak in the direction your body is facing.
Cloak is significantly better than streak in a small scale perspective. The simple fact that cloak can reset a fight makes it much stronger.
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✭hammayolettuce wrote: »duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO wrote: »
Good idea, let streak be just as broken as cloak.hammayolettuce wrote: »The fact that a Stamina sorc can only streak 2-3 times if lucky and a Stam NB can cloak 3+ times is the issue with cloak. Cloak in itself is worlds better than streak as an escape. When spammed it is a 100% dodge of an incoming dmg, you can move past any aggro while using cloak, magicka NBs can use it so much that fights can be reset where the mag blade recovers full resources.
Give cloak the streak cost treatment and the cries over NBs wont be as common.
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Not working half the time, and in those cases it actually works. more like streak sending you off in a random direction.
With cloak your own DoTs and HoTs break it, not to mention any AOE (and let's be frank almost anything but light attacks seem to be "AOE" as far as cloak is concerned).
Does streak have the same problem? Hardly!
Frankly, cloak is only worth it for the purge. You remove that, might as well remove the skill altogether.
Would give a lot for having a NB skill that rolls great movability, with (more often than not unbreakable) stun anyone all along the way AND damage into one, single skill and that skill based on your strongest attribute to boot.
Countering cloak on the other paw is easy. If that gives you trouble, seriously, learn to play.
Now streak ... still working on a useful counter that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Any suggestions welcome.
And while we are at it, cloak doesn't purge (velocious) curse. At the beginning cloak (supposedly) removed "negative" effects (never really worked anyway then), but now it's only DoTs, and that does not seem to take damage "after" time into account, at least as far as ZOS is concerned. Your call if that's bug or feature.
In high latency good luck getting streak to work and you can't streak in the direction your cross hairs are you streak in the direction your body is facing.
Cloak is significantly better than streak in a small scale perspective. The simple fact that cloak can reset a fight makes it much stronger.
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Yes it "resets" the fight unless they have AoEs, Curse, Mark, Templar power that trace Nightblades while cloaked.
Nope no one uses any of those.
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