wow, already your second thread?

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm gonna go ahead and say you don't like the sound of small scale pvp being implemented..

I came here for large scale battles. I am just afraid it will disappear with the small scale PvP. I don't say I don't like small scale, it can be great fun. Played my share of battlegrounds in WarHammer Online. but the large scale is what I really enjoy.

And only time will tell.

If I do Edit I press wrong button and do quote... silly me

Meh....PvP was never the endgame.
It was actually a conspiracy to force PvP players into trying PvE in frustration and thus ZOS taps into a whole new player market for future games.


Surely you have come to realise that the benefits of playing AI NPCs far exceeds anything offered by combat with real players by now ?
Just look at all the lag these people cause.
Now bow down before Molag Bal you petulant mortal !

I surely hope zerging and zergballing dies.

Frawr wrote: »

Don't be so negative Knoote.

Zenimax will be taken over by Skynet and it will produce an mmo with no classes and no aoe caps and players around the world will cry out in fear.

Sold!

Small scale pvp is needed, cause its too hard to find it in todays cyrodiil, and if/when you do, it doesnt last long because zergs come looking for "small" AvA combat icons on the map.

Knootewoot wrote: »

So what does this mean.

- Cyrodill will have less players since people hate lag and rather do small scale PvP without lag
- Cyrodill will eventually die out since ZoS cannot fix the lag and players only will do small scale PvP arena
- Cyrodill will be taken out of the game for a while (like Illum)
- Cyrodill will be a huge (or zoned) PvE expansion
- Small scale PvP will be boring in the end due to lack of build diversity and people overall get bored quick with this type of gameplay
- Small scale PvP will be only played by the top dogs of PvP and new players won't enter because of low CP, crappier gear and they die quick
- Other RvRvR games come out and people try that out. Some will come back to TESO because grass is always greener at other mmo's but some actually find the grass is greener
- Russia launches the first nuclear warhead to US for retaliation
- US responds
- SkyNET takes over Bethesda
- Bethesda launches a new SkyNET game
- Zenimax Online makes a SkyNET MMO which features AvA. Players can assume the role of resistance fighters or robot machines

I agree, and I am afraid this will be what happens, I am not against small scale if it can be brought into the game with out killing Cyrodiil, I have played many mmo's over the years and for me I am tired of queued up mini games, they get boring fast at least to me.

If they give equal rewards to small scale then no doubt in my mind that cryodiil will die, and a lot of us that enjoy AVAVA will need to find a new home. I just hope the rewards for small scale are also small. Unless they do plan on dumping cyrodiil, like tor dumped Illum.

I am not a fan of the zergball, I also do not run with it, I run with a small group of 4 to 5 that spends many an hour in cyrodiil hunting gankers, supporting a siege, rezzing the dead, working for faction goals.

Lets add a few more things to the list, since what I read is a lot of people want small scale to showcase their "skills", and small scale pvp should give them that controlled environment where everyone is equal.

No emperor buffs
No cp
No buffs from cyrodiil, keep bonus, scroll bonus.

But there is one thing that will kill the fun for many in small scale that is the pre-made they will wreck the average player group and the cries for nerfs on the forums will be far worse than they are now. So I guess we will have to see what the future brings, I am sure many things will change before this happens, then we can have some facts and not just theory craft.

I'm very excited for small scale PvP to finally be implemented. Finding fights in Cyrodiil as a solo ganker is so time consuming and I'm looking forward to queuing up and jumping into battle in a much more efficient manner.

The large scale battles are fun as well and I certainly do not plan to stop fighting the war. Sieging keeps is especially awesome when they are well protected. This change is giving us more options though and that means more players will come back / start playing. I have a group of friends who have refused to play because of the lack arenas. They were all very happy to hear about this announcement and will be coming to the game when this is implemented (hopefully sooner so they can get up to speed and make solid teammates by the time arenas come along).

Hopefully they use a smart match-making system and have CP battles and non-CP battles available.

Naysayers will be naysayers, but this is definitely going to improve my ESO experience so I am happily looking forward.

I think its a great idea!

I just wonder what this means for class balance though, as area's will obviously bring skill changes and nerfs along with it...just the nature of the beast...hopefully we get some buffs too though

Regardless, arena's is good news for those who have wanted it.

I wonder if they will ever put the player component of the Justice System in? I think that could be really fun too if implemented correctly.

I think small scale is a bad idea but understand this game is not about me. A dueling option would be a better solution.

My predictions:

-Magica NBs will have a field day griefing with permastealth
-Forums will overflow with nerf and balance posts
-Demands for special rewards, ranking and gear

Manoekin wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I mentioned why I don't think this is true in the latest We Are ESO Podcast. Pretty much every solo/small group player I talk to enjoys the open world aspect of Cyrodiil. Arenas and BG's will be just another thing to do, not a substitute. I'm sure some people will only play the arena, and it will also attract new players to the game. However, I think there will still be a healthy Cyrodiil population unless there's still tremendous lag issues by then.

I saw a similliare Post on the Aion Forums back then, when the Dread or Arena where intruced.

Abyss died.

there is somthing called group pressure, if just a few do Arena, you will do it to. there isnt a way arround, Arena/Bgs or Cyrodiil.

This is a different game, and it works both ways. People will do the new thing when it's new, sure. However, most people want to play Cyrodiil. That's why they play this game.

For arguments sake, lets say arena's lessens the population during primetime. Good, now it can be like just before everyone came back from IC and I had no lag at all.

its just a matter how much lower and how many pvp guilds will still Play active in cyro.

if they also make a leaderboard for 8/12 Groups, i dont think cyro will survive.

you just cant do somthing with a small Group in cyro, well mby cap a res and gank there....

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

So what does this mean.

- Cyrodill will have less players since people hate lag and rather do small scale PvP without lag
- Cyrodill will eventually die out since ZoS cannot fix the lag and players only will do small scale PvP arena
- Cyrodill will be taken out of the game for a while (like Illum)
- Cyrodill will be a huge (or zoned) PvE expansion
- Small scale PvP will be boring in the end due to lack of build diversity and people overall get bored quick with this type of gameplay
- Small scale PvP will be only played by the top dogs of PvP and new players won't enter because of low CP, crappier gear and they die quick
- Other RvRvR games come out and people try that out. Some will come back to TESO because grass is always greener at other mmo's but some actually find the grass is greener
- Russia launches the first nuclear warhead to US for retaliation
- US responds
- SkyNET takes over Bethesda
- Bethesda launches a new SkyNET game
- Zenimax Online makes a SkyNET MMO which features AvA. Players can assume the role of resistance fighters or robot machines

I agree, and I am afraid this will be what happens, I am not against small scale if it can be brought into the game with out killing Cyrodiil, I have played many mmo's over the years and for me I am tired of queued up mini games, they get boring fast at least to me.

If they give equal rewards to small scale then no doubt in my mind that cryodiil will die, and a lot of us that enjoy AVAVA will need to find a new home. I just hope the rewards for small scale are also small. Unless they do plan on dumping cyrodiil, like tor dumped Illum.

I am not a fan of the zergball, I also do not run with it, I run with a small group of 4 to 5 that spends many an hour in cyrodiil hunting gankers, supporting a siege, rezzing the dead, working for faction goals.

Lets add a few more things to the list, since what I read is a lot of people want small scale to showcase their "skills", and small scale pvp should give them that controlled environment where everyone is equal.

No emperor buffs
No cp
No buffs from cyrodiil, keep bonus, scroll bonus.

But there is one thing that will kill the fun for many in small scale that is the pre-made they will wreck the average player group and the cries for nerfs on the forums will be far worse than they are now. So I guess we will have to see what the future brings, I am sure many things will change before this happens, then we can have some facts and not just theory craft.

Good news is the Camelot Unchained beta is just a couple months away.