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question about dual wield for magicka sorc builds
Im working on my sorc and I am looking at the options for using dual wield on one of my bars. Ive used destro staff up until now with force pulse as my main damage skill.
I know alot of people use DW for the damage increase but Im curious as to what skills to use for your main damage? and does it have problems with sustain due to lack of medium attack weaving? I feel like ive got to be missing something. Anyone have any suggestions?
I know alot of people use DW for the damage increase but Im curious as to what skills to use for your main damage? and does it have problems with sustain due to lack of medium attack weaving? I feel like ive got to be missing something. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Asayre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dual wield is used for the execute phase where weaving results in a loss in dps or when overloading. Force pulse weave should be your main damage skill.Reference for any calculation I make Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation0 -
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DW with blunt passive on my main. I just AC with block.
Sure I lose a light attack, but im thinking the passive and the swords themselves make up for it
(Not to mention my build is all oblivion or "magic" based so the CPs that would buff staff I don't use)0 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Keep in mind that the Twin Blade and Blunt passive doesn't apply while in Overload.
I have tried dual swords out and found them to be lacking and I lose too much utility.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Waffennacht wrote: »DW with blunt passive on my main. I just AC with block.
Sure I lose a light attack, but im thinking the passive and the swords themselves make up for it
(Not to mention my build is all oblivion or "magic" based so the CPs that would buff staff I don't use)
Maybe i worded the question wrong... but im trying to figure out what attacks you use if you have DW swords instead of destro staff?
My guesses would be:
Velocious curse (but its a 3.5 sec wait time.. what do you do while its charging?)
Prox dex (has delay.. what do you do while its charging?)
Mages wrath (dmg seems weak.. does DW really buff the dmg that much?)
liquid lightning (aoe attack... people will just move out it)
crystal frags (for sure used.. but do you hardcast it? i would think thats not a good idea)
mainly im just confused as to what attack you would rely on... unless you want one of those prox det timing builds or want to lose healing ward which i really find useful....
any guidance is much appreciated0 -
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »To be clear;
Magicka build (all attribute points into Magicka)
wearing all light armor to get the maximum buff
Players say, "doh, you need to use DW (dual-wield) to get the maximum DPS"
But, when I ask what 2 weapons, which skill passive, the answer i get is "L2P" and then ignored.
Details please.....Thank You....
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budrow✭✭✭Ok, I use DW for extra dmg. No points in destro line. My resto bar drops mines or streaks and then drops mines, then shield up. I inevitable det, curse to start the timing on my burst, which I then endless fury till my frag procs. By now they detonate, curse explodes and fury should also explode because of low health at that time. When the timing is there, especially when stealth attacking, most melt away she everything explodes. Hard cast another frag and fury more to proc another if fight continues. When stealth attacking I skip on shielding up and go for burst kill then shield later.
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
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I can explain you :
In PvP, I use dual wield for the last passive hwo give you 5% more damage and the one more piece for a set.
The main ability is TANGLING WEBS, in the Undauted tree. This skill is amazing, it's deal magic damage and snare by 50% ennemies for 8 s. The synergy is GREAT : some magic damage + 4.5s fear + 2 spiders summoning.
You can also use fury, but it's so boring.
The + of this : you can have all Magic damage and be focus on taumathurge.
The - : impossible with low cps, Webs are so expansive and deal less damage than crushing shock.
It's so funny, but not the best way : you are always OOM because expensive, and you lost DPS because heavy Attack between skills and crushing shock deal more dps and is more cheap.
With 501 cps, you can run it, not before, and only with 2 gear set-up to deal a lot of damage and can sustain (only with potions.)
So it's very funny to play and it's powefull, but less than the *** fire/Lightning staff and magicka sustain issue are here.0 -
Trihugger✭✭✭The short answer... you can't as a sorc.
The long answer... Trapping Webs is a piece of poop and this is what you'd be reduced to using without a destruction staff as your spammable ability. It is inferior in every way to force pulse/crushing shock as it does less damage and costs more mana to do it.
It also synergizes extremely poorly with what is basically the only real option for a sorc ult: Overload. Overload is elemental damage and so is force shock+morphs. Webs are magic damage.
Long story short you can maximize damage by having a destro staff main bar and a dw 2ndary bar for one-and-done things like Liquid Lightning/Execute/Insert Utility Buffs here, but there is no such thing as a maximized damage build for a sorc that doesn't use a destruction staff. It simply doesn't exist because you're reduced to having to use trapping webs, and that skill is terrible.
The above poster should have just stopped when he said it's impossible. It might as well be if you plan on doing competitive damage. 5% damage from Twin Blade and Blunt doesn't even begin to account even for the medium weave damage difference.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »DW with blunt passive on my main. I just AC with block.
Sure I lose a light attack, but im thinking the passive and the swords themselves make up for it
(Not to mention my build is all oblivion or "magic" based so the CPs that would buff staff I don't use)
Maybe i worded the question wrong... but im trying to figure out what attacks you use if you have DW swords instead of destro staff?
My guesses would be:
Velocious curse (but its a 3.5 sec wait time.. what do you do while its charging?)
Prox dex (has delay.. what do you do while its charging?)
Mages wrath (dmg seems weak.. does DW really buff the dmg that much?)
liquid lightning (aoe attack... people will just move out it)
crystal frags (for sure used.. but do you hardcast it? i would think thats not a good idea)
mainly im just confused as to what attack you would rely on... unless you want one of those prox det timing builds or want to lose healing ward which i really find useful....
any guidance is much appreciated
It's about timing a big burst.
Det, curse, spam mage's wrath and hopefully proc a frag, Frag.
Frag, curse and det hopefully hit at once. Big damage.
I tried it and really didn't like it. Want back to destro resto. But I like dual wield on my NB and temp.
This is for pvp by the way. Dungeons and trials you sent destro resto.1 -
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✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »DW with blunt passive on my main. I just AC with block.
Sure I lose a light attack, but im thinking the passive and the swords themselves make up for it
(Not to mention my build is all oblivion or "magic" based so the CPs that would buff staff I don't use)
Maybe i worded the question wrong... but im trying to figure out what attacks you use if you have DW swords instead of destro staff?
My guesses would be:
Velocious curse (but its a 3.5 sec wait time.. what do you do while its charging?)
Prox dex (has delay.. what do you do while its charging?)
Mages wrath (dmg seems weak.. does DW really buff the dmg that much?)
liquid lightning (aoe attack... people will just move out it)
crystal frags (for sure used.. but do you hardcast it? i would think thats not a good idea)
mainly im just confused as to what attack you would rely on... unless you want one of those prox det timing builds or want to lose healing ward which i really find useful....
any guidance is much appreciated
Tangling Webs can be used in burst builds, Hexys has a nice sorc DW/resto build link here
The problem with Tangling Webs is the cost, the dmg is oke but you can get magicka sustain issues if you have a long fight.Edited by Septimus_Magna on December 10, 2015 8:00AMPC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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I was playing around with dw on my v1 sorc in the IC sewers last night using 5pc julianos and 4pc seducers with warlock jewelry and was actually able to solo most of the sewers with exceptions of the bosses and portals. This is kind of a surprise because my v14 stam dk struggled at the launch of ic.
used curse, then alternated mages wrath and webs until frag proc (dont have prox det unlocked yet). seemed pretty good and seducers kept my magicka pretty full. going back tonight to see if i do better/worse with a destro staff.
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aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Webs do about same amount of damage as force pulse for me both around 10k dps . The snare is good but I don't use webs. i would definitely use Magika detonation if I had it unlocked.0
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✭✭✭The short answer... you can't as a sorc.
The long answer... Trapping Webs is a piece of poop and this is what you'd be reduced to using without a destruction staff as your spammable ability. It is inferior in every way to force pulse/crushing shock as it does less damage and costs more mana to do it.
It also synergizes extremely poorly with what is basically the only real option for a sorc ult: Overload. Overload is elemental damage and so is force shock+morphs. Webs are magic damage.
Long story short you can maximize damage by having a destro staff main bar and a dw 2ndary bar for one-and-done things like Liquid Lightning/Execute/Insert Utility Buffs here, but there is no such thing as a maximized damage build for a sorc that doesn't use a destruction staff. It simply doesn't exist because you're reduced to having to use trapping webs, and that skill is terrible.
The above poster should have just stopped when he said it's impossible. It might as well be if you plan on doing competitive damage. 5% damage from Twin Blade and Blunt doesn't even begin to account even for the medium weave damage difference.
This!!!
A magicka sorc that does not use force pulse is not a DPS. If you do not use it your role in any group is the guy that wastes people's time. When I am healing there is nothing worse than a terrible sorcs and I have freaking seen them all.I am not sure if i am biased but most sorcs are very original and play the way they want the same 3/4 crappy builds: Proccing crystals with Mages fury from start to finish builds, only heavy attacks forever and ever builds, staying stationary never using shields and spamming crystal blast builds, wtf builds. Haven't seen the spider builds but i bet that is going to be the next very "non cookie cutter" ,"way I want to play" build hing. :'(Edited by PBpsy on December 11, 2015 4:43AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭If you're gonna PvE, please DO NOT use Dual-Wield as your main bar. It's fine if it's your back bar with Mage's Wrath/Endless Fury/Overload.
A Sorcerer as a PvE DPS should be using Bound Aegis/Magelight/Crushing Shock, and 2 free abilities on their main bar.
If you're PvP, you can Dual-Wield all you want but the gameplay is really boring.
1. You can't regen ultimate unless you go up to their face and swing at them once, or switch to your back bar and attack them once.
2. You rely way too much on "burst" to kill your opponent. Detonation > Curse > Entropy (MotG) > Crystal Fragments Proc, Mage's Wrath/Endless Fury.
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Omgwtfbbq321✭✭✭This combo is usually lethal for PVP:- Clouding Swarm (For cover whole casting combo)
- Inevitable Detonation (4 second delay)
- Velocious Curse( 3.5 seconds delay)
- Crystal fragments (proc or hard casted,)
- Endless fury (Proc should finish the job)
Pop Clouding swarm, cast Inevitable Detonation right sway, followed instantly by Velocious Curse. Then use Endless fury and throw a Crystal fragment.
You should be invisible for most, if not all of this. If the caster fails to block or dodge roll, they will likely die on the spot. The
biggest thing here, is to catch the target off guard. You need to time the Crystal fragment so that they don't dodgeroll it. Even using streak to grantee the curses pop without being blocked. Most people dodgeroll as soon as they see the cruses on them. Make sure you time the shard right.
I have had huge success with this. As for PVE:- Crystal fragments(Bread and butter damage for sorc)
- Force Pulse (Crystal fragments proc)
- Inner Light (Critical increase and 5% max magika)
- Bound Agies (900 something more amour and 8% max magika)
- Endless fury (For in execute range)
- Power Surge (Spell damage buff and heals)
- Enegy Overload (High DPS, Magicka recovery)
Lay these out how ever you feel comfortable, Obviously you will need wards, and some people prefer lqiud lighting and a few other skills to having the max magicka from Inner Light and Bound Agies. Keep in mind, this build works better with max magicka food and high spell damage, as Recovery is a bit tricky, but I have most Bosses down before it becomes too much of an issue.
Just my two cents, I am sure there are better ways to do things.My ping is higher than your resource recovery...0
