Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Rerolling isn't an option and is a pretty bad way to advise someone. I have every class and my Stam Templar does fine with dps and honestly I get more kills then I do on my Stam nb .

Dracane wrote: »

Use the active ability of medium armor, evade.
It's a great survival ability.

And of course Vigor is a must have and roll dodge whenever you can to stay slippery.

Thank you ! Almost have vigor

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

Swannkyy wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

What gear do you use to get 4.2k wd and 2.3k recovery? (And is it buffed or unbuffed?) I only managed toget 3.6k dmg and 2.1k recovery

Dracane wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

I agree, I can't agree to what people say. Even if I wanted to and I have no reason to be biased here.
Since 1.6 stamina Templar is very strong and it still is. I think they are very dangerous and capable.

Sadly, most stam Templars don't use their arsenal properly. And forget to use 1 certain ability

It's not strong at all compared to the stamblades and stam dks. Sure, a good player can still 1vx with it because there are a lot of players who have no clue out there but why you think nobody brings stamplars to tournaments?

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

What gear do you use to get 4.2k wd and 2.3k recovery? (And is it buffed or unbuffed?) I only managed toget 3.6k dmg and 2.1k recovery

Darnathian wrote: »

you mind if i ask what sets? i dont see how you can achieve both. i can see either stat but not both.

I use a pretty simple setup, although it has cost me a fortune for crafting v16 and upgrading all to gold etc. I use 5 Hundings, 4 Morkuldin, 3 Agility (all with Weapon Damage enchants) DW & 2H, Serpent Mundus and Health & Stam recovery drinks. Screenshot: (I have a little less damage and recovery than i thought, but still close enough :P AND This is buffed with just Rally and with Drinks on!)
NOTE: I have no stamina enchants on my gear because i have no gold left, so once i get all those i will have higher stam

Dracane wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

I agree, I can't agree to what people say. Even if I wanted to and I have no reason to be biased here.
Since 1.6 stamina Templar is very strong and it still is. I think they are very dangerous and capable.

Sadly, most stam Templars don't use their arsenal properly. And forget to use 1 certain ability

DM what it is !!!!!! :O

Backlash. It's super strong, the best timed burst in the game.
Yet the current problem is, that it is bugged on damage shields. So this limits it's current reliability (but if you know how to do it and break the shield right before backlash goes off....) Once this gets fixed, I DEMAND any famous Templar to slot this damn thing, for it is one of the best abilities in the game.

Time this right and you anihilate things.

The Backlash tooltip on my fully buffed Templar is over 19k. 19K ! This is the hardest hitting ability in the game when it comes to tooltip and this can crit. For comparison, my Sorcerer Overload tooltip is around 15-16k depending on what setup I'm on.

Any player with an iq higher than 5 will purge it, btw magicka sorcs can actually hit for 16k overload crits in pvp, a spammable ability for 16k damage.

Straight away your 19k tooltip is cut in 50% as it can't crit, so you're doing a max of 9.5k before resistances are taken into accounr, so more like 6k damage at best.

And as above, a decent player will use purge or purifying ritual and remove it completly, it's also hugely obvious to them.

Also in regards to pve stamplars are putting out the lowest dps atm, the best alcast and the very best can manage is about 19k single target, where as magicka templars are hitting 36k, and magicks sorcs are hitting up to 50k on and overload build.

zornyan wrote: »

Your stam pool is very lpw, for example my stamplar ran 37k stamina and 4700 weapon damage, and stamina is more damage, infact that 12k stam difference is equal to nearly 1200 weapon power, so technically you have the same as any templar with 36k stam and 3k weapon damage.

I know, i have no stamina enchantments on my gear, i said that in the post :P Gotta get some gold and buy some Anyway i forgot to add in my original screenshot that after i light attack i get almost 4.4k because of the weapon damage enchant on my sword :P (This screenshot is out of Cyrodiil, that's why my health is lower than my other screenshot

zornyan wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

What gear do you use to get 4.2k wd and 2.3k recovery? (And is it buffed or unbuffed?) I only managed toget 3.6k dmg and 2.1k recovery

Darnathian wrote: »

you mind if i ask what sets? i dont see how you can achieve both. i can see either stat but not both.

I use a pretty simple setup, although it has cost me a fortune for crafting v16 and upgrading all to gold etc. I use 5 Hundings, 4 Morkuldin, 3 Agility (all with Weapon Damage enchants) DW & 2H, Serpent Mundus and Health & Stam recovery drinks. Screenshot: (I have a little less damage and recovery than i thought, but still close enough :P AND This is buffed with just Rally and with Drinks on!)
NOTE: I have no stamina enchants on my gear because i have no gold left, so once i get all those i will have higher stam

Your stam pool is very lpw, for example my stamplar ran 37k stamina and 4700 weapon damage, and stamina is more damage, infact that 12k stam difference is equal to nearly 1200 weapon power, so technically you have the same as any templar with 36k stam and 3k weapon damage.

whats your recovery though with that much stam and wd?

Dracane wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

I agree, I can't agree to what people say. Even if I wanted to and I have no reason to be biased here.
Since 1.6 stamina Templar is very strong and it still is. I think they are very dangerous and capable.

Sadly, most stam Templars don't use their arsenal properly. And forget to use 1 certain ability

DM what it is !!!!!! :O

Backlash. It's super strong, the best timed burst in the game.
Yet the current problem is, that it is bugged on damage shields. So this limits it's current reliability (but if you know how to do it and break the shield right before backlash goes off....) Once this gets fixed, I DEMAND any famous Templar to slot this damn thing, for it is one of the best abilities in the game.

Time this right and you anihilate things.

The Backlash tooltip on my fully buffed Templar is over 19k. 19K ! This is the hardest hitting ability in the game when it comes to tooltip and this can crit. For comparison, my Sorcerer Overload tooltip is around 15-16k depending on what setup I'm on.

Any player with an iq higher than 5 will purge it, btw magicka sorcs can actually hit for 16k overload crits in pvp, a spammable ability for 16k damage.

Straight away your 19k tooltip is cut in 50% as it can't crit, so you're doing a max of 9.5k before resistances are taken into accounr, so more like 6k damage at best.

And as above, a decent player will use purge or purifying ritual and remove it completly, it's also hugely obvious to them.

Not logical. As I said, my Overload tooltip is maybe 15k, Backlash 19k. So no matter what, backlash is going to hit harder.

Not logical? Is proven, look at @Ezareth sorcerer, he literially hots for 17k crits in pvp.

Bit different is overload can crit, with a 1.5x modifier that means it'll do exactly the tooltip damage. Purifying light CAN'T crit so it has no way of increasing the damage after pvp reduction .

So for instance a 16k tooltip that can crit will go

16k crit x1.5 then ÷50% is 16k.

A 20k tooltip thst can't crit is simply - 50%

So backlash is massively weaker, hence why no one uses it, plus it takes 6 seconds of you doing high damage to get to that number, which a stamplar can't do.

Most good players can kill people in far less than 6 seconds.

And again any good player will purge it, as in the ability won't do jack

And here ends the discussion, not going to take that from someone (you) who has no clue. Backlash CAN crit. Learn the game

And Purge is a huge boost for backlash. But you don't know why, because you've got no practical experience, only your dumb theories.

Actually it can't crit higher than the maximum tooltip value, so it won't ever go near 19k in pvp. It's a long standing issue that's been regard and reported many times in the templar issues thread.

Again it's a useless skill, it's a dps loss in pve and in pvp it's useless, it's not burst damage, it takes 6 seconds to work (so no where near burst potential) and in 6 seconds that's 6 16k overloads in your face, who's going to win that fight?

Oh wait you're telling me you can heal 16k damage per second and dish out 20k of damage in those same 6 seconds right?

Darnathian wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

What gear do you use to get 4.2k wd and 2.3k recovery? (And is it buffed or unbuffed?) I only managed toget 3.6k dmg and 2.1k recovery

Darnathian wrote: »

you mind if i ask what sets? i dont see how you can achieve both. i can see either stat but not both.

I use a pretty simple setup, although it has cost me a fortune for crafting v16 and upgrading all to gold etc. I use 5 Hundings, 4 Morkuldin, 3 Agility (all with Weapon Damage enchants) DW & 2H, Serpent Mundus and Health & Stam recovery drinks. Screenshot: (I have a little less damage and recovery than i thought, but still close enough :P AND This is buffed with just Rally and with Drinks on!)
NOTE: I have no stamina enchants on my gear because i have no gold left, so once i get all those i will have higher stam

Your stam pool is very lpw, for example my stamplar ran 37k stamina and 4700 weapon damage, and stamina is more damage, infact that 12k stam difference is equal to nearly 1200 weapon power, so technically you have the same as any templar with 36k stam and 3k weapon damage.

whats your recovery though with that much stam and wd?

Around 1400, I chug pots alot, don't use the stamplar anyway nowdays, magicka templar is far better off in both pve and pvp.

Jura23 wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Swannkyy wrote: »

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Alec508 wrote: »

So I'm making a Templar and switched to stamina for the dps and could take any suggestions on what you use to defend yourself in 1v1 situations or 1vx? I was thinking blazing shield but heard it was nerfed . My heals aren't all that good considering I have very little magicka. So give me some idea that work for you

rerol on DK or NB if you want play stamina in pvp, templars are here in rly bad position.
On templars you can use some generick def skills aktive skils from heavy and medium armmor skilltree for boost your defence, or bone shield from undauted but it work only agais physikal dmg and rune focus from templar resto tree, for healing here are only two possibilities, momentum from 2H and vigor from PvP asault tree.

Stamina Templar is actually in a great place for PvP in my opinin, I've been playing great with it in 1v1 and 1vx situations. They have insane damage if you build your character well, while keeping decent recovery (I have around 4.2k Weapon Damage & 2.3k Stam Recovery). People have their own opinions, but my opinion is if you build right and learn to play a Stam Templar properly you will have no trouble with it in PvP.

I agree, I can't agree to what people say. Even if I wanted to and I have no reason to be biased here.
Since 1.6 stamina Templar is very strong and it still is. I think they are very dangerous and capable.

Sadly, most stam Templars don't use their arsenal properly. And forget to use 1 certain ability

DM what it is !!!!!! :O

Backlash. It's super strong, the best timed burst in the game.
Yet the current problem is, that it is bugged on damage shields. So this limits it's current reliability (but if you know how to do it and break the shield right before backlash goes off....) Once this gets fixed, I DEMAND any famous Templar to slot this damn thing, for it is one of the best abilities in the game.

Time this right and you anihilate things.

The Backlash tooltip on my fully buffed Templar is over 19k. 19K ! This is the hardest hitting ability in the game when it comes to tooltip and this can crit. For comparison, my Sorcerer Overload tooltip is around 15-16k depending on what setup I'm on.

Any player with an iq higher than 5 will purge it, btw magicka sorcs can actually hit for 16k overload crits in pvp, a spammable ability for 16k damage.

Straight away your 19k tooltip is cut in 50% as it can't crit, so you're doing a max of 9.5k before resistances are taken into accounr, so more like 6k damage at best.

And as above, a decent player will use purge or purifying ritual and remove it completly, it's also hugely obvious to them.

I use it since I started playing and I hardly ever see ppl purge it. And even if they do. Its an action they have to take instead of doing something else more productive, so thats still good situation for me.

That's because their bad players, every good player will have a purge of sorts on one of their bars, otherwise, well your dead meat to a huge number of purge able skills like curse and crystal frags and dark flare (yes dark flare and crystal frags are purge able I found this out last night)

In any case a bad player is going to die, and a good player can beat a bad player with any class or any set, hence why you see videos by people like sypher that are actually using terrible terrible builds and skills, yet they kill n00b all day.

I've 1v5 before and won on my mag temp, because they were a group of unskilled players, likewise I cannot and until something happens ever beat a truly well played sorc, because they will never let you get their shields down, and you'll be eating 16k overlord crits keeping you on the defence.

Same for gankers, a truly well built nb gank build WILL kill you before you can react, my stam nb had nearly 5k weapon damage, everyone was literially a one shot, it was hysterical, snipe and ambush from stealth with suprise attack and they would be dead before the stun was over.