Temporary Small-Scale PvP Solution - Let's Agree to Make Haderus a Small Scale PvP Zone

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Ok really I am a pug and looking for a dueling spot been looking past 3 days and can't find anything. Is Haderus the palce for duels or not and if so were at. Love to pvp just not ZOS "flawless" large group pvp.

Manoekin · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok really I am a pug and looking for a dueling spot been looking past 3 days and can't find anything. Is Haderus the palce for duels or not and if so were at. Love to pvp just not ZOS "flawless" large group pvp.

Gotta message people in game. No one is going to post on the forums where dueling spots are at.

Jules · December 2015

Haderus seems to lean toward smaller scale anyway, so I think this is a great move if it can be coordinated.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok really I am a pug and looking for a dueling spot been looking past 3 days and can't find anything. Is Haderus the palce for duels or not and if so were at. Love to pvp just not ZOS "flawless" large group pvp.

Gotta message people in game. No one is going to post on the forums where dueling spots are at.

NVM found some and yes.... PERIOD ! I vote to make Haderus the arena/dueling grounds till ZOS adds a real system tot eh game.

*slices my hand and writs in blood*

~Forest

Rylana · December 2015

The problem on Haderus is AD and their stupid zerg guilds.

GoS, CKA, and some other smaller red guilds routinely play here usually in groups of 12 or less, but those damned AD zergers often bring blobs of 60+ onto the field.

Yesterday we had to band everyone in EP together just to force them off our home triangle and get some breathing room. (they had easily 50 stacked in arrius, wth)

Once on the ring we had to basically babysit Sej/BRK for the remainder of prime as the AD blob was absolutely relentless and determined to hold EVERYONE off the map. AD poplock on Haderus on a Monday.... ridiculous.

GoS will try to curb the AD menace some, we did crown emp really late tonight, so hopefully with Red running the show, the ring will be the only contested area. We have no plans to push off the ring as far as I know, cannot speak for the other guilds, but for our part, so long as Jamicka is emp we will attempt to keep it confined to the smaller scale.

If that blasted AD zerg shows up though, all bets are off and we might grow to full raid size to shove them out again.

(We will also defend emp, of course, but unlike AD we will not take home triangles, thats just stupid)

Rune_Relic · December 2015

ButteredToast_M wrote: »

Dang @Mystikkal, I really thought this would get a better response based on how many people claim to want small scale pvp. I'll do what I can on the EP side of things. Hopefully people will stick around even if we continue to get zerged down, see y'all out there.

Its not that its not an awesome idea.........theres just nothing in place to stop being AP farmed by those that wont sign up for this.
/sobs.

mike.eso · December 2015

Rune_Relic wrote: »

ButteredToast_M wrote: »

Dang @Mystikkal, I really thought this would get a better response based on how many people claim to want small scale pvp. I'll do what I can on the EP side of things. Hopefully people will stick around even if we continue to get zerged down, see y'all out there.

Its not that its not an awesome idea.........there's just nothing in place to stop being AP farmed by those that wont sign up for this.
/sobs.

Yeah, I know was just wishful thinking. Was on Had last night and there wasn't one small group running

. In fairness though AD was determined to keep EP backed up to gates which tends to just kill servers, took some big numbers to push them back. DC then came over cause that was the only place to find action and with so many from all 3 factions running around it would have been hard for any small group to have much success in that atmosphere.

As nice as this would have been I am not optimistic the pvp community will ban together to create this until ZOS actually implements something to incentivize multiple styles of play. Don't worry though it's coming SOON!!

OdinForge · December 2015

Was on Haderus last night, with a slightly larger than desired group. But as everyone here keeps mentioning, it's really in response to AD and their determination to hold EP at our gates.

We went in at the start of the night with an already slightly larger 10 man group, to get back our home keeps (Arrius & Kingscrest) with the intention to not push west into DC. We had some good fights with DC and larger amounts of AD, but it became clear AD intended to zerg the server. Other issues like EP pugs following us around the northern section of the map when we tried to engage DC, so we left. Later on that night we'd come to fight a larger or comparable size DC group around BRK 14-15 etc, and they lingered around Alessia bridge well after my group disbanded.

So here's the deal, in order to make this work you guys have to actually maintain communication with the people being tagged here. You're relying on the friendly cooperation of your enemy and that means you (DC guys) need to make the effort to set this up every night. If I start with an 8 man group and exclude additional people that choose my guild over another, and suddenly AD decides to take advantage of this and zerg I'm not going to be able to get the extra 7 people I need. Further more I can't simply lower my group size halfway through the night of fighting AD, so this needs organization beforehand.

TL;DR: Without any communication from DC, I have no idea what to expect and will otherwise run my groups the way EP is required against local AD. We have a decent amount of communication with the local AD as well (over the course of a few months), but they don't seem to be interested in running smaller groups.

Manoekin · December 2015

Team up against the AD. It's dumb that that is happening.

dantator · December 2015

IMO, the way to go about this plan is to make a separate guild specifically having all the major guild leaders communicating with each other (kind like the "Banana Phone" we had in AD at some point) so that there won't be any miscommunication.

Manoekin · December 2015

dantator wrote: »

IMO, the way to go about this plan is to make a separate guild specifically having all the major guild leaders communicating with each other (kind like the "Banana Phone" we had in AD at some point) so that there won't be any miscommunication.

It's harder to do in practice. Something like this already somewhat exists though we don't use it to coordinate guilds really. PvP players have egos, and it's hard enough to keep people from killing each other. I wouldn't be opposed to inviting more people though. Will talk about it with the current people if there's interest in that.

Minno · December 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Was on Haderus last night, with a slightly larger than desired group. But as everyone here keeps mentioning, it's really in response to AD and their determination to hold EP at our gates.

We went in at the start of the night with an already slightly larger 10 man group, to get back our home keeps (Arrius & Kingscrest) with the intention to not push west into DC. We had some good fights with DC and larger amounts of AD, but it became clear AD intended to zerg the server. Other issues like EP pugs following us around the northern section of the map when we tried to engage DC, so we left. Later on that night we'd come to fight a larger or comparable size DC group around BRK 14-15 etc, and they lingered around Alessia bridge well after my group disbanded.

So here's the deal, in order to make this work you guys have to actually maintain communication with the people being tagged here. You're relying on the friendly cooperation of your enemy and that means you (DC guys) need to make the effort to set this up every night. If I start with an 8 man group and exclude additional people that choose my guild over another, and suddenly AD decides to take advantage of this and zerg I'm not going to be able to get the extra 7 people I need. Further more I can't simply lower my group size halfway through the night of fighting AD, so this needs organization beforehand.

TL;DR: Without any communication from DC, I have no idea what to expect and will otherwise run my groups the way EP is required against local AD. We have a decent amount of communication with the local AD as well (over the course of a few months), but they don't seem to be interested in running smaller groups.

Manoekin wrote: »

dantator wrote: »

IMO, the way to go about this plan is to make a separate guild specifically having all the major guild leaders communicating with each other (kind like the "Banana Phone" we had in AD at some point) so that there won't be any miscommunication.

It's harder to do in practice. Something like this already somewhat exists though we don't use it to coordinate guilds really. PvP players have egos, and it's hard enough to keep people from killing each other. I wouldn't be opposed to inviting more people though. Will talk about it with the current people if there's interest in that.

DC has a similar situation with command TS.

Psilent · December 2015

Isn't it DiG that runs on Haderus? Khaz khan, Kros, Rhianna A? I think those are names I see there all the time. Might try and contact them about all this.

OdinForge · December 2015

Psilent wrote: »

Isn't it DiG that runs on Haderus? Khaz khan, Kros, Rhianna A? I think those are names I see there all the time. Might try and contact them about all this.

Yeah DiG is the big AD guild on Haderus.

mike.eso · December 2015

Was EP able to push AD back last night and take emp? I logged some what early but last I saw GoS and CKA had the number 1 and 2 positions on the EP boards. If so we might have a better shot a getting this up and running tonight or on a night where the map isn't a s single color and emp is controlled by one of the more prominent guilds.

Psilent · December 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Isn't it DiG that runs on Haderus? Khaz khan, Kros, Rhianna A? I think those are names I see there all the time. Might try and contact them about all this.

Yeah DiG is the big AD guild on Haderus.

If we want this to work, DiG will have to be contacted.

ButteredToast_M wrote: »

Was EP able to push AD back last night and take emp? I logged some what early but last I saw GoS and CKA had the number 1 and 2 positions on the EP boards. If so we might have a better shot a getting this up and running tonight or on a night where the map isn't a s single color and emp is controlled by one of the more prominent guilds.

GoS crowned Jamicka this morning around 5:30am EST. We will not attack the 3 scroll keeps, but we will defend Jamicka's Emperorship.

Lore_lai · December 2015

I would LOVE to see some small-scale PvP happening on another server, that includes keep capture/defense because I love these!

I have tried to bribe my guys with cookies to try out Haderus and Trueflame but the experiences there were a bit bitter (we are EP).
In Haderus we were just being pushed to the gates for no reason by AD.
Trueflame was nice for one day when we managed to take Emp for EP with a small group of ~12 people and found some really nice opposition from AD and some neat battles, but other than that I'm sad to see that there is little coordination on EP side which makes things bad.
When I saw @Manoekin 's forum thread last Friday about Trueflame PvP I was really excited about some nice battles away from the horrible lag so I dragged my friends into Trueflame yet again. Got even more excited when I saw 3 bars EP only to realize that EP was nowhere to be found and no-one was answering the call for help.

Chal and BRK fell with like 3-4 other EP people spread out all over the walls, and me on the front flag being ran over by a group of 24 (amusement).

There is nothing more disheartening than seeing this lack of coordination and cooperation. Us "unknowns" are not that bad most of the time and we don't bite too hard. Some of us have even mastered the Arcane Arts of TS and would like to see some team-play.

In game @Lore_lai if you ever feel like coordinating anything.

Minno · December 2015

Lore_lai wrote: »

I would LOVE to see some small-scale PvP happening on another server, that includes keep capture/defense because I love these!

I have tried to bribe my guys with cookies to try out Haderus and Trueflame but the experiences there were a bit bitter (we are EP).
In Haderus we were just being pushed to the gates for no reason by AD.
Trueflame was nice for one day when we managed to take Emp for EP with a small group of ~12 people and found some really nice opposition from AD and some neat battles, but other than that I'm sad to see that there is little coordination on EP side which makes things bad.
When I saw @Manoekin 's forum thread last Friday about Trueflame PvP I was really excited about some nice battles away from the horrible lag so I dragged my friends into Trueflame yet again. Got even more excited when I saw 3 bars EP only to realize that EP was nowhere to be found and no-one was answering the call for help.
Chal and BRK fell with like 3-4 other EP people spread out all over the walls, and me on the front flag being ran over by a group of 24 (amusement).

There is nothing more disheartening than seeing this lack of coordination and cooperation. Us "unknowns" are not that bad most of the time and we don't bite too hard. Some of us have even mastered the Arcane Arts of TS and would like to see some team-play.

In game @Lore_lai if you ever feel like coordinating anything.

Trueflame has a heavy sewers presence (at least what I saw on DC's side.). Might be tiny compared to what it used to be, but that would explain one extra bar of pop but none to be seen on upper cyro.

Minno · December 2015

Psilent wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Isn't it DiG that runs on Haderus? Khaz khan, Kros, Rhianna A? I think those are names I see there all the time. Might try and contact them about all this.

Yeah DiG is the big AD guild on Haderus.

If we want this to work, DiG will have to be contacted.

ButteredToast_M wrote: »

Was EP able to push AD back last night and take emp? I logged some what early but last I saw GoS and CKA had the number 1 and 2 positions on the EP boards. If so we might have a better shot a getting this up and running tonight or on a night where the map isn't a s single color and emp is controlled by one of the more prominent guilds.

GoS crowned Jamicka this morning around 5:30am EST. We will not attack the 3 scroll keeps, but we will defend Jamicka's Emperorship.

Exactly how it should be

.
Everything outside (3) main faction keeps is open to hits/pvp to promote pvp when one faction dominates.

mike.eso · December 2015

Psilent wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Isn't it DiG that runs on Haderus? Khaz khan, Kros, Rhianna A? I think those are names I see there all the time. Might try and contact them about all this.

Yeah DiG is the big AD guild on Haderus.

If we want this to work, DiG will have to be contacted.

ButteredToast_M wrote: »

Was EP able to push AD back last night and take emp? I logged some what early but last I saw GoS and CKA had the number 1 and 2 positions on the EP boards. If so we might have a better shot a getting this up and running tonight or on a night where the map isn't a s single color and emp is controlled by one of the more prominent guilds.

GoS crowned Jamicka this morning around 5:30am EST. We will not attack the 3 scroll keeps, but we will defend Jamicka's Emperorship.

Glad to hear one of yall got it, saw cka members climbing the boards quick so figured one of the two guilds would be able to get/control it. Now that yall have emp maybe we can start to shape the server a little more how we all seem to want it. Seems the missing link is AD anyone have a good relationship with any of their guilds that run on had? I'll reach out to the guys i know but not sure how much pull they have unless the GM's are on board too.

Rust_in_Peace · December 2015

Had some good fights last night with whoever was out there but we ended up being a slightly larger group than intended (9 - 10 instead of 8) and had to roll around with group builds to bust up some of the zergs. There was a big group of EP that really had it out for us around 9pm EST. Definitely not what was intended but I had some fun doing it.

Scamandros · December 2015

While I haven't been in haderus as much as usual last week it had appeared that DiG wasn't playing there as often as they used to. Not a part of the guild so not sure, maybe I just haven't seen them. But last time I talked to them a while back they seemed cool and wanting to respect the home keeps unofficial rule, however as I understand it there is quite a large collection of players not belonging to any major guild (PuGs) but are of the mentality that the map is not won until everything is gold and the enemy logs off.

I got on early today to play the opening hours the new campaign hoping it to be packed with action again, we had most of the map and there wasn't a whole lot of DC/EP pushing yet so I left and came back a few hours later. Things were looking better, both DC and EP had solid groups out and about doing stuff made for some fun fights.
For a good while there was no emperor on haderus and it was looking nicely balanced between all factions. People started logging off for the night and then DC made the push around the ring and took emp relatively easily. Funnily enough it wasnt long after they log off that GoS shows up to do the same, and currently still have the centre ring. I think the timing of both pushes were just coincidental so not complaining.

Was a rocky start but overall tuned out to be a fun day, I think AD still outnumbered for most of primetime but the other factions had the better coordinated groups. Looking forward to see what tomorrow brings

CN_Daniel · December 2015

Small groups to farm in Had you say.....

OdinForge · December 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Small groups to farm in Had you say.....

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Rust_in_Peace · December 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Small groups to farm in Had you say.....

CN_Daniel · December 2015

Hahaha don't worry, not enough juice for me.

Mystikkal · December 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Small groups to farm in Had you say.....

LOL!! NPK Daniel! Stay away!!!

Mystikkal · December 2015

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

Had some good fights last night with whoever was out there but we ended up being a slightly larger group than intended (9 - 10 instead of 8) and had to roll around with group builds to bust up some of the zergs. There was a big group of EP that really had it out for us around 9pm EST. Definitely not what was intended but I had some fun doing it.

Yeah, I was pretty upset at myself for running a group build last night lol.. I'd prefer that we could run more single target builds, as they are more fun... but there were some larger groups around that required an AOE tactic. Hopefully tonight we can run more single target.

It was pretty ironic, my group usually runs 3-5, but last night 10 players wanted to play (@Lefty_Lucy wanted to get Vigor lol). I couldn't believe it! The one night we want small scale, everyone wants to play. We broke into 2 groups at one point, but ended up being 9 players because we all wanted to hang out together and there were larger groups. I think the point is that we want the spirit to be small scale. If you have 9 guys, it's not the end of the world (although my group knows how much running 9 bothered me lol)

Manoekin · December 2015

Lore_lai wrote: »

I would LOVE to see some small-scale PvP happening on another server, that includes keep capture/defense because I love these!

I have tried to bribe my guys with cookies to try out Haderus and Trueflame but the experiences there were a bit bitter (we are EP).
In Haderus we were just being pushed to the gates for no reason by AD.
Trueflame was nice for one day when we managed to take Emp for EP with a small group of ~12 people and found some really nice opposition from AD and some neat battles, but other than that I'm sad to see that there is little coordination on EP side which makes things bad.
When I saw @Manoekin 's forum thread last Friday about Trueflame PvP I was really excited about some nice battles away from the horrible lag so I dragged my friends into Trueflame yet again. Got even more excited when I saw 3 bars EP only to realize that EP was nowhere to be found and no-one was answering the call for help.
Chal and BRK fell with like 3-4 other EP people spread out all over the walls, and me on the front flag being ran over by a group of 24 (amusement).

There is nothing more disheartening than seeing this lack of coordination and cooperation. Us "unknowns" are not that bad most of the time and we don't bite too hard. Some of us have even mastered the Arcane Arts of TS and would like to see some team-play.

In game @Lore_lai if you ever feel like coordinating anything.

We can try it again, but yeah there was basically no EP on that night. Was weird. My participation will depend on what my group wants to do, and whether or not we're defending emp on AZ. Would like to go back again but more EP would be desirable.

Minno · December 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Hahaha don't worry, not enough juice for me.