Australians can't enter the $1000000 competition...why?

Tanaka_Khan · December 2015

Title speaks for itself...why can't Australians enter??
Hell, Russians are able to enter it...

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

The law is absolute. Break the law and the law will break you! If they let Australia enter, they will be going against Australian law.

phairdon · December 2015

Australia is not the only place unable to enter.

Kammakazi · December 2015

The Kangaroos forbid...

Softpad · December 2015

It does seem harsh to exclude the majority add Asia including Australia from this competition. I'm an Aussie and have signed and been a happy gamer from the start. Would just like to here a reason as to why other countries and players are not allowed to participate.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · December 2015

Tanaka_Khan wrote: »

Title speaks for itself...why can't Australians enter??
Hell, Russians are able to enter it...

Softpad wrote: »

It does seem harsh to exclude the majority add Asia including Australia from this competition. I'm an Aussie and have signed and been a happy gamer from the start. Would just like to here a reason as to why other countries and players are not allowed to participate.

Because there are such laws in countries like Australia, that prohibit foreign lotteries.
Take it and complain to your lawmakers, not to ZOS

RatedChaotic · December 2015

No matter. It will be rigged anyway.

Danikat · December 2015

With contests like this it's usually because something about the rules of the contest or the prize makes it illegal in certain places.

For example some countries don't allow contests where the outcome is completely random - entrants must do something to contribute to their chance of winning, others classify it as gambling and require one or more licences which may not be obtainable by a foreign company (or simply too expensive/time consuming to be worthwhile for a one-off contest).

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

RatedChaotic wrote: »

No matter. It will be rigged anyway.

Proof ? No.
Pure libel then.

Jura23 · December 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

No matter. It will be rigged anyway.

Proof ? No.
Pure libel then.

If I was working at ZOS, I would rig it.

Bigevilpeter · December 2015

Egypt can't enter either, so i guess there is no reason for me to play?

This is like the weirdest promotion ever and it smells like desperation

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

No matter. It will be rigged anyway.

Proof ? No.
Pure libel then.

If I was working at ZOS, I would rig it.

Luckily, you're not.

xii-santa · December 2015

I don't care much for the money as much as the crowns.

Why can't we enter for the 3,000,000 crowns?

NBrookus · December 2015

xii-santa wrote: »

I don't care much for the money as much as the crowns.

Why can't we enter for the 3,000,000 crowns?

Since crowns are normally purchased with cash, that might run afoul of many laws as well, but be less clear making it a potential legal headache.

I would be better if they had an alternate prize for people in US states and countries where it's illegal, like maybe making you into an NPC for the next DLC or giving you a unique mount or something.

Jura23 · December 2015

NBrookus wrote: »

xii-santa wrote: »

I don't care much for the money as much as the crowns.

Why can't we enter for the 3,000,000 crowns?

Since crowns are normally purchased with cash, that might run afoul of many laws as well, but be less clear making it a potential legal headache.

I would be better if they had an alternate prize for people in US states and countries where it's illegal, like maybe making you into an NPC for the next DLC or giving you a unique mount or something.

Technically, purchasing crowns with credit card is illegal in many countries as well since ZOS doesnt pay taxes from that income in those countries.

And guess what? Nobody cares.

Digiman · December 2015

Because Tony Abbott and Malcom Turnbull don't want any poor pensioners getting rich.

Can't let the servants have dreams as the British elite say.

Flak · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The law is absolute. Break the law and the law will break you! If they let Australia enter, they will be going against Australian law.

That's strange, here in Germany gambling is only allowed for the state and all Casinos, lotteries, etc are run by the state (except the slotmachines). Contests are allowed but only when it's free to enter, so having to buy the game to participate shouldn't be allowed. But I guess since they don't close down the pokersites, they won't bother with ZOS.

jircris11 · December 2015

Tanaka_Khan wrote: »

Title speaks for itself...why can't Australians enter??
Hell, Russians are able to enter it...

Sadly my friend who lives there can not enter a lot of things such as this due to the laws they have.

UrQuan · December 2015

It's pretty simple. Different places have different regulations around contests. You can't possibly create a contest that will meet all of the regulations in every country, state, and province in the world, so every contest will exclude people from several places.

Here in Canada almost every time you see an ad for a contest a company is running, it will exclude residents of Quebec (and, big surprise, they're excluded from this $1,000,000 contest) because Quebec has extensive regulations about contests and how they can be promoted (their draconian language laws play a part in this) so that it's simply easier for companies to not make the contest available there. Sometimes that means they'll run a separate Quebec-only contest, often it means residents of Quebec just get left out.

rfennell_ESO · December 2015

Can't enter this in New York either.

There are a number of reasons for it, the one in NY is probably the fact that all prizes have to be linked to cost of entry via some convoluted formula the state uses.

I'll post the state law (which is probably a similar issue in other locales that aren't going to be included in this "contest").

Part 132. USE OF GAMES OF CHANCE IN SELLING COMMODITIES
(Statutory authority: Executive Law, § 91; General Business Law, § 369-e)

§ 132.1 Definitions.
Game includes a series of the same or substantially similar games.

§ 132.2 Registration statement.
In addition to the information required by General Business Law, section 369-e(1), the statement
filed in the Department of State shall set forth the prizes offered and the retail value of each prize.

§ 132.3 Value of prizes.
The actual retail cost shall be used in determining the value of prizes offered in any game of
chance.

§ 132.4 Trust accounts and surety bonds.
Where prizewinning objects are distributed to retail establishments in a substantially uniform ratio
to the number of participating objects or entries, the total value of prizes offered may be
calculated as:
A = (N/T) (V) + P
where A is the amount of the bond to be posted or trust account to be maintained;
N is the total number of objects distributed in New York or the projected number of entries from New York;
T is the total number of objects distributed or the projected number of entries in the game;
V is the total retail value of all prizes offered; and
P1, P2, P3, P4, and P5 are respectively the retail values of the first, second, third, fourth and fifth largest prizes.
§ 132.5 Winners list.
The rules of the contest shall set forth the address where persons may obtain a copy of the winners list from the promoter in accordance with General Business Law, section 369-e(5).

I would guess the inclusion of that particular language that I put in bold is the issue and hence why in the so called "empire" state of the USA (as goes NY, as goes the empire) I am not eligible.

robkrush · December 2015

Zeni max is in the US. It's for 1mil US dollars. What's the issue?

RedTalon · December 2015

robkrush wrote: »

Zeni max is in the US. It's for 1mil US dollars. What's the issue?

So if someone outside the u.s wins given think the euro and pound is still vauled higher then the dollar they win a bit less maybe? Currency exchange rates and all that mess.

But this is more about why some people can't enter, that more has to do with state laws or country laws being clear

robkrush · December 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Zeni max is in the US. It's for 1mil US dollars. What's the issue?

So if someone outside the u.s wins given think the euro and pound is still vauled higher then the dollar they win a bit less maybe? Currency exchange rates and all that mess.

But this is more about why some people can't enter, that more has to do with state laws or country laws being clear

I would assume so. I didn't read the fine print.

So its the local laws blocking people from entering? Weird, why wouldn't their countries want them to win money, then sirens it locally?

Svartulv · December 2015

For me it seems ZOS just didn't spend much time looking into the laws of different countries.

Russia can participate, but not Belarus (the country where I live) and Ukraine? Seriously? Bloody hell, it's almost the same laws for such events!
I didn't find anything that restricts me from participating, really.

Jura23 · December 2015

Svartulv wrote: »

For me it seems ZOS just didn't spend much time looking into the laws of different countries.

Russia can participate, but not Belarus (the country where I live) and Ukraine? Seriously? Bloody hell, it's almost the same laws for such events!
I didn't find anything that restricts me from participating, really.

Its pretty obvious they just picked the biggest ESO markets for the contest - like the US, Russia, Germany, France - then excluded some area with legal problems (NY? Quebec) and were done with it. They didnt check on most of the countries. Thats what bothers most ppl.

Danikat · December 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Zeni max is in the US. It's for 1mil US dollars. What's the issue?

So if someone outside the u.s wins given think the euro and pound is still vauled higher then the dollar they win a bit less maybe? Currency exchange rates and all that mess.

But this is more about why some people can't enter, that more has to do with state laws or country laws being clear

For people in the UK it would be (at the current exchange rate) £662,168.34. It may not be a million pounds but I certainly wouldn't complain.

Come to think of it I lived and worked in the US for a while and getting money from my US bank account into my UK one was always a pain. Strangely enough the only easy way to do it was via Paypal, everything else was far more hassle and cost than it was worth. The ability to actually get the prize to the winner may also be an issue here.

Lenikus · December 2015

Only a few countries from Europe and North American ones can join it.
The central and south (latin) America, Africa, Oceania, Asia, and most of Europe are out of this.

Probably becaues ZoS doesn't want to pay all teh taxes / fees involved in transferring one million that far*

Incarnatus · December 2015

I live in Florida and cannot take part lol .....

neville_bart0s · December 2015

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tanaka_Khan wrote: »

Title speaks for itself...why can't Australians enter??
Hell, Russians are able to enter it...

Softpad wrote: »

It does seem harsh to exclude the majority add Asia including Australia from this competition. I'm an Aussie and have signed and been a happy gamer from the start. Would just like to here a reason as to why other countries and players are not allowed to participate.

Because there are such laws in countries like Australia, that prohibit foreign lotteries.
Take it and complain to your lawmakers, not to ZOS

I cant find any laws that prohibit Australians from entering foreign lotteries, where did you get that information??

LBxFinalDeath · December 2015

Prolly cuz they fear Australian spiders.

SirDopey · December 2015

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tanaka_Khan wrote: »

Title speaks for itself...why can't Australians enter??
Hell, Russians are able to enter it...

Softpad wrote: »

It does seem harsh to exclude the majority add Asia including Australia from this competition. I'm an Aussie and have signed and been a happy gamer from the start. Would just like to here a reason as to why other countries and players are not allowed to participate.

Because there are such laws in countries like Australia, that prohibit foreign lotteries.
Take it and complain to your lawmakers, not to ZOS

Bit of a half truth there mate. Its a state based issue in Australia, not all states require a permit but some do for games of chance, whether its a domestic or foreign entity offering it.....