question about templar magic dps

Kidgangster101 · December 2015

or i guess this could go with any magic dps not just templar im just a templar.

I was told I needed my spell dmg to be around 3k since im vr16 so I crafted sets to get my dmg up there and this is what im currently wearing.

2x toru's pact
5 x julianos
1x molag kena's
3 willpower (all have spell dmg enchantment)

Now I have my spell dmg up at 3k but I now have no sustain at all and I am constantly out of magic so I feel like im hitting harder faster but am out of steam fast.
Maybe someone can give advice as to what im doing wrong?

my loadout is
2 sword bar- inner light, structored entropy, puncturing sweep, blazing spear, radiant oppression, ice comet
resto bar- inner light, breath of life, channeled focus, purifying ritual, healing ward, remembrance (back up healer incase stuff goes down)

im 2999 spell dmg, 38% crit, 680 magic recovery (huge problem)

thanks in advance if someone can help me out here

Leon119 · December 2015

where exactly are u using this setup ?
im using a similar build ( 5TBS 4 julianos on DW bar 3 on resto willpower rings with spell dmg ) and sustain is ok.

stay in channeled focus all the time, put siphon spirit as much as possible. and use drink or hp + magicka regen food.
this got me comfortably through vMSA. if you arent using a drink sustain is terrible tho since u cant benefit from elem drain.

Kwivur · December 2015

You need to use the new food/drink that you get from wrothgar. It gives 5000 flat hp and 430 magic recovery. I run the same set-up except I'm a sorc.

zornyan · December 2015

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

or i guess this could go with any magic dps not just templar im just a templar.

I was told I needed my spell dmg to be around 3k since im vr16 so I crafted sets to get my dmg up there and this is what im currently wearing.

2x toru's pact
5 x julianos
1x molag kena's
3 willpower (all have spell dmg enchantment)

Now I have my spell dmg up at 3k but I now have no sustain at all and I am constantly out of magic so I feel like im hitting harder faster but am out of steam fast.
Maybe someone can give advice as to what im doing wrong?

my loadout is
2 sword bar- inner light, structored entropy, puncturing sweep, blazing spear, radiant oppression, ice comet
resto bar- inner light, breath of life, channeled focus, purifying ritual, healing ward, remembrance (back up healer incase stuff goes down)

im 2999 spell dmg, 38% crit, 680 magic recovery (huge problem)

thanks in advance if someone can help me out here

You need to look at if people are taping buffed or unbuffed.

Look at mundus stones too.

My setup is

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower 2x arcane 1 x healthy 2x spell damage 1x recovery.

With this I have

3450 spell power
42k max magicka
19k hp
10k Stamina
1700 ish regen

Fully buffed

At 200 CP, so at cap you'll have another 8% cost reduction and 10% recovery roughly.

Sustain is really good in vet msa, hits hard, I find the swap over on the last few pieces to spell damage doesn't increase my dps enough, whilst needing to slot siphon spirit and worry about sustain actually raises my total TTK.

Edgar_Baerland · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

or i guess this could go with any magic dps not just templar im just a templar.

I was told I needed my spell dmg to be around 3k since im vr16 so I crafted sets to get my dmg up there and this is what im currently wearing.

2x toru's pact
5 x julianos
1x molag kena's
3 willpower (all have spell dmg enchantment)

Now I have my spell dmg up at 3k but I now have no sustain at all and I am constantly out of magic so I feel like im hitting harder faster but am out of steam fast.
Maybe someone can give advice as to what im doing wrong?

my loadout is
2 sword bar- inner light, structored entropy, puncturing sweep, blazing spear, radiant oppression, ice comet
resto bar- inner light, breath of life, channeled focus, purifying ritual, healing ward, remembrance (back up healer incase stuff goes down)

im 2999 spell dmg, 38% crit, 680 magic recovery (huge problem)

thanks in advance if someone can help me out here

You need to look at if people are taping buffed or unbuffed.

Look at mundus stones too.

My setup is

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower 2x arcane 1 x healthy 2x spell damage 1x recovery.

With this I have

3450 spell power
42k max magicka
19k hp
10k Stamina
1700 ish regen

Fully buffed

At 200 CP, so at cap you'll have another 8% cost reduction and 10% recovery roughly.

Sustain is really good in vet msa, hits hard, I find the swap over on the last few pieces to spell damage doesn't increase my dps enough, whilst needing to slot siphon spirit and worry about sustain actually raises my total TTK.

hold on how are you at 3450 SP, 42k magicka 19k hp?? You're a templar? What buffs exactly?

I'm a breton v16 templar with 5x julianos, 3x willpower 2x adriotness, and my numbers are not close to that. im looking at like 28k magicka 2300 sp 20k health in cyroo

RinOkumara · December 2015

Im at 3800 spell damage buffed and 44k magicka

zornyan · December 2015

Edgar_Baerland wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

or i guess this could go with any magic dps not just templar im just a templar.

I was told I needed my spell dmg to be around 3k since im vr16 so I crafted sets to get my dmg up there and this is what im currently wearing.

2x toru's pact
5 x julianos
1x molag kena's
3 willpower (all have spell dmg enchantment)

Now I have my spell dmg up at 3k but I now have no sustain at all and I am constantly out of magic so I feel like im hitting harder faster but am out of steam fast.
Maybe someone can give advice as to what im doing wrong?

my loadout is
2 sword bar- inner light, structored entropy, puncturing sweep, blazing spear, radiant oppression, ice comet
resto bar- inner light, breath of life, channeled focus, purifying ritual, healing ward, remembrance (back up healer incase stuff goes down)

im 2999 spell dmg, 38% crit, 680 magic recovery (huge problem)

thanks in advance if someone can help me out here

You need to look at if people are taping buffed or unbuffed.

Look at mundus stones too.

My setup is

5x julianos
4x magnus
3x willpower 2x arcane 1 x healthy 2x spell damage 1x recovery.

With this I have

3450 spell power
42k max magicka
19k hp
10k Stamina
1700 ish regen

Fully buffed

At 200 CP, so at cap you'll have another 8% cost reduction and 10% recovery roughly.

Sustain is really good in vet msa, hits hard, I find the swap over on the last few pieces to spell damage doesn't increase my dps enough, whilst needing to slot siphon spirit and worry about sustain actually raises my total TTK.

hold on how are you at 3450 SP, 42k magicka 19k hp?? You're a templar? What buffs exactly?

I'm a breton v16 templar with 5x julianos, 3x willpower 2x adriotness, and my numbers are not close to that. im looking at like 28k magicka 2300 sp 20k health in cyroo

Dual stag mag + hp food

Infused in chest and legs divines on rest
Atronach mundus
2x gold nirnhoned swords
5x julianos vr16 purple
4x magnus vr16 purple

Vr16 enchants

3x willpower 2x arcane 1x healthy.

Edgar_Baerland · December 2015

Nice. That makes sense, thank you for clarifying. im shocked there's such a big gap

Whitebrad25 · December 2015

I am a Templar Healer with 3k spell damage, 3.5k regen, and I believe 37k max magic but I also have 26k health (Don't want to redistribute since I don't do as much PVP at this moment, but I would when that shift happens). 220CP and when I get more I will add another 180 spell damage through jewelry instead of the reduced cost I have on one piece now.

zornyan · December 2015

Good point, CP does help.

When you get to around 300 cp don't forget to distribute them well between magicka recovery and spell cost reduction.

At 250 ish I had around a 3 to 1 ratio more in recovery, since cost reduction scales poorly.

Whitebrad25 · December 2015

I currently have a split between them to keep my build where I want it but the shift will occur down the line. I would be OK with my BoL being a 27xx cost cast but I don't want it to shoot up too much more. I know there are diminished returns but with more CP I will max both of them.

zornyan · December 2015

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

I currently have a split between them to keep my build where I want it but the shift will occur down the line. I would be OK with my BoL being a 27xx cost cast but I don't want it to shoot up too much more. I know there are diminished returns but with more CP I will max both of them.

You can't max both, cp cap of 501 means you'll have 165? I think cp in each tree, also you want a few in some other passives like break free/roll cost reduction.

I'd suggest 80 in magicks recovery, 50 in cost reduction, and 30 in tumbling.

Whitebrad25 · December 2015

I'll max them to fit my needs was more or less what I meant by that.

Essiaga · December 2015

Slot Radiant Aura or Repentance, and stand in the Channeling Focus, use resto staff ... Templar regen.

Passives tell the tale. Compare Magicka Sorc and NB.

Edgar_Baerland · December 2015

So random sidebar/vent/rant
I just looked up the state of Sorc class abilities and passives since the last few patches.

Holy hell.
I'm not saying nerf sorc QQ whatever. Just to reiterate: I DO NOT WANT TO NERF SORCS. I just need somewhere to complain about this.
how is this even remotely considered balanced?
Passives that increase magicka recovery 10%? Increase spell power by 2% per class ability???? Increase all storm calling ability damage 5%? Reduce stam/magicka cost 5% for ALL ABILITIES??? Landing a dark magic ability heals you for 8% of your max health? Are you *** joking? So every time I set off mines or get hit by frags they're gaining 8% life? I mean come on, they already have an escape and a natural bubble skill. cherry on top of it all, all ultimates cost 15% less.

I don't have a sorc alt. So I've been woefully ignorant to alot of this. . . and I thought the NB passives were good.
I can't possibly understand how this is what passives look like on sorcs, and Temps get trash like enduring rays, spear wall, master ritualist and light weaver.

I mean, even our GOOD passives are mediocre in comparison to the *** sorcs get. God damn.

/endrant

Johngo0036 · December 2015

Hey all,

I have a VR14 Templar on her way to VR16,
I plan the following,

3 x Willpower with Spell Damage Enchants,
5 x Kragenacs Hope
3/4 Torugs Pact(or Julianos)

I use 2 swords and a Resto staff..

Should i go torugs pact for Damage or Julianos for Crit?

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

Similar set up but I use Kagrenac instead of julianos. I'm pulling 18.5k single target, I have bad sustain but it's just enough to last a pledge boss.

Rotation is Purifying Light, Entropy, Dark Flare spam.

I'm thinking of switching to fire staff with Nerien'eth to weave in medium attacks to get more lich crystal procs.

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Hey all,

I have a VR14 Templar on her way to VR16,
I plan the following,

3 x Willpower with Spell Damage Enchants,
5 x Kragenacs Hope
3/4 Torugs Pact(or Julianos)

I use 2 swords and a Resto staff..

Should i go torugs pact for Damage or Julianos for Crit?

I'd go 5 julianos and 4 Magnus if you don't have Nerien'eth.

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

I am a Templar Healer with 3k spell damage, 3.5k regen, and I believe 37k max magic but I also have 26k health (Don't want to redistribute since I don't do as much PVP at this moment, but I would when that shift happens). 220CP and when I get more I will add another 180 spell damage through jewelry instead of the reduced cost I have on one piece now.

Those stats are insane. I have over 300 CP's and I'm nowhere near 3500 regen, I'm about 1500!