How do you feel about vr levels being replaced with cp?

Enodoc · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

MornaBaine wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Nyteshade wrote: »

Are they taking out silver and gold or leaving it in as optional? We'd still need access to those areas for shards and lorebooks etc.

Tors wrote: »

Where have they said they are removing Cadwells Silver/Gold?

olsborg wrote: »

I dont think we will be free of needing to do the cadwell silver if we want access to the entire game on that char. Wich is sad.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Are they really getting rid of Cadwell's Silver and Gold? If so, what is that going to actually mean? At level 50 will we be able to go to both other factions at will rather than having to complete the Main Story for one before we can go to the other?

They are not removing any content. Cadwell's Silver and Gold will still exist. I believe they have however implied that some of the restrictions on access will be relaxed; I can't remember where I saw that though. I don't think it was here, so maybe it was on ESO Live, or in the Quakecon video, or on Reddit.

With VR ranks removed there is absolutely no valid reason for us to be forced to do one faction's zones before the other. None! We should be able to explore them both concurrently.

Indeed. But I'll be blowed if I can remember where I saw that thing about reduced restrictions.
I hope I didn't imagine it...

ajwest927 · December 2015

Noo. I want progression. We shouldn't cater to people who want free handouts. Boo!

I want them to keep the veteran rank system, cause every time we level up we get a skill point and who doesn't want more skill points?

syzmic · December 2015

I don't know. I'm going to wait till changes happen to make a call.

How are they going to balance the game when the mobs are now V16 ?

Will they have to redo all the stats or will you still have to grind.

Zorrashi · December 2015

I don't know. I'm going to wait till changes happen to make a call.

I am...tolerant of the proposed system. But for now I shall simply call it 'an improvement' in comparison to the current VR system (assuming it at least tackles some of the issues VR current presents).

I am not impressed, however. We shall see how it acts in practice when it comes out.

MisterBigglesworth · December 2015

Others ( includes options such as this poll is biased, I don't care and other off topic posts such as QQ nerf nbs/sorcs now)

If you still have to remake/regrind all your gear after every DLC then not much really changes.

Also, nerf Sorcs.

MrDerrikk · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

MornaBaine wrote: »

With VR ranks removed there is absolutely no valid reason for us to be forced to do one faction's zones before the other. None! We should be able to explore them both concurrently.

I actually see the main reason for them keeping it as-is, is that they'd have to re-record the voice acting for Cadwell, and I bet that John Cleese doesn't come cheap...

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · December 2015

Give it 6 months after the removal of VR and people will want it back just so that they are not endlessly redoing their armour.
I do believe it has been stated that the current V16 gear is going to be rated at 160 CP, well as the current cap is 501 and the max once the cap is lifted is 900 at least (There's a hint in your achievements), then it's fair to say the armour is going to change... A lot.

Then there's Battle Levelling, you think they worked on that system for VR only? Oh no, that's moving over to CP and then some really weird and wonderful, sorry I meant painful, experiences will occur.

Then there's the XP grind, people are not seeing it yet because all they hear is ding ding ding of the CP point gained. I dare ZOS to put in a feature that shows your total XP earned over the life of your characters. Then once you hit 800 CP, you will start to wonder why did they remove the VR ranks.

Still, it took a while for VR14 to jump to VR16, maybe it won't be as bad as I think. But I will still get my order for popcorn ready for the forum drama.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

I have never been opposed to VR levels, but it is nice to know at level 50, my characters can wear vr16 armor immediately. It will make the other vet mats pretty useless, so I will continually sell those.

It also makes me happy I have only crafted one set of vet armor (vr14).

My concern is if they ever put armor tiers above the inflection point where CP gain is slower than VR gain would have been. My other concern is that they have a lot of space up to 500 to insert a lot of armor tiers, making the grind worse than it has ever been.

At least that grind is only once per account though.

Now just get rid of 1-49!!!

What will this mean for the Cadwell zones? I assume that those will either keep their difficulty levels for the sake of people on their first time through or they will scale players like in Orsinium.

DaveMoeDee · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

Enodoc wrote: »

Nyteshade wrote: »

Are they taking out silver and gold or leaving it in as optional? We'd still need access to those areas for shards and lorebooks etc.

Tors wrote: »

Where have they said they are removing Cadwells Silver/Gold?

olsborg wrote: »

I dont think we will be free of needing to do the cadwell silver if we want access to the entire game on that char. Wich is sad.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Are they really getting rid of Cadwell's Silver and Gold? If so, what is that going to actually mean? At level 50 will we be able to go to both other factions at will rather than having to complete the Main Story for one before we can go to the other?

They are not removing any content. Cadwell's Silver and Gold will still exist. I believe they have however implied that some of the restrictions on access will be relaxed; I can't remember where I saw that though. I don't think it was here, so maybe it was on ESO Live, or in the Quakecon video, or on Reddit.

They still need those as people will have zero CP when they hit level 50 for the first time. There is no need to change much.

The silver zones would be pretty sad though on an 8th character using max level gear and max CP. I'm not in favor of scaling to CP as it leaves no workaround for those who just suck at combat.

Iluvrien · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

... more than happy to see it come in... as long as the CP-per-armour-level is kept sensible.

Enodoc · December 2015

Yaay! I don't have to do cadwells silver/gold for the xth time again!

ajwest927 wrote: »

I want them to keep the veteran rank system, cause every time we level up we get a skill point and who doesn't want more skill points?

@ajwest927 When they remove Veteran Ranks, they're not going to remove those 15 points. They will be redistributed, either into CPs or into the existing 1-50 levelling (my preference is for the second).

MrDerrikk wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

With VR ranks removed there is absolutely no valid reason for us to be forced to do one faction's zones before the other. None! We should be able to explore them both concurrently.

I actually see the main reason for them keeping it as-is, is that they'd have to re-record the voice acting for Cadwell, and I bet that John Cleese doesn't come cheap...

That wouldn't be necessary. All you would need to do is enter the Silver zones once before Gold is offered, and then his dialogue when he offers Gold remains mostly accurate.