@Zenimax: Putting focus on the wrong things.

Xantaria · December 2015

so Zenimax what are you doing today?

Let me have a guess, You're either doing not so much or you are working on the new Thieves guild DLC. Or even on the DLC after that. Who knows.

But I do know that this is NOT what you should be doing. There are countless bugs in the game, you cannot trust any tooltip and almost everything that gets tested in depth prooves to be broken.

And I would gladly not have a DLC for the next Q but instead have a Bugfix-DLC. Where you put all your money time and resources into fixing every single bug that exists in this game. Probably rewrite the code and formulas for every Ability and Passive in the game! Also adressing Lag issues. Upgrading your Server Hardware etc. And making sure the amount of bugs will always be kept low. Have a dedicated small team for hotfixes, a team that also communicates with people that report bugs. Currently Bug tickets are not allowing communication at all. I would pay a *** of money for that!

It is completely unacceptable that whole skills and passives are broken and nothing is done about that for months!

Bugs are driving people away. *** that cannot be explained with 'working as intended' happening to them. Dying to Lag over and over again. And dishing out new DLCs in a fast manner is not going to get those people back.

And I'm also sure almost all people would appreciate exactly that. I'll rather have a working game with delayed content instead of a broken game that gets updated with more and more Bugs every DLC.

The amount of Bugs currently in the game is higher than ever before and It's only going to get worse with Thieves Guild.

Ruben · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Just in there for the loot. *** the points. And Getting weekly isn't hard because almost all other DK's suck.

Maybe the problem is that you're in that same group that you mention?

Join the club! We can all suck together!

Xantaria · December 2015

Ruben wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Just in there for the loot. *** the points. And Getting weekly isn't hard because almost all other DK's suck.

Maybe the problem is that you're in that same group that you mention?

Join the club! We can all suck together!

OK let's suck together. But what does that have to do with this thread. Like I don't see any connection at all.

wrathofrraath · December 2015

I would pay for this dlc.

Valrien · December 2015

I hope you realize that Zenimax nor any other game developer will ever be able to fix everything wrong with a video game. This game is actually not so bad about bugs, but maybe if you stopped being so cynical you'd realize that.

Also you don't really communicate with bug reports. Zenimax even says before you send the ticket that this isn't something they will respond to, just look at to confirm that it is a bug and try to fix it if they can.

Xantaria · December 2015

Valrien wrote: »

I hope you realize that Zenimax nor any other game developer will ever be able to fix everything wrong with a video game. This game is actually not so bad about bugs, but maybe if you stopped being so cynical you'd realize that.

Also you don't really communicate with bug reports. Zenimax even says before you send the ticket that this isn't something they will respond to, just look at to confirm that it is a bug and try to fix it if they can.

I have played MMO's since I was 10. I'm definitely not being cynical and I'm guessing you just didn't play endgame enough to see the issues.
Here is a thread where I list a small fragment of the issues:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/213734/bugs-compendium-of-current-bugs-exploits-maintained-daily

I have NEVER experienced an MMO with this amount of bugs and broken mechanics. I have also NEVER experienced a game that as an EU gateway and still gives me 60+ to infinity ping whereas I have 21 ping constantly in every other game. And I have played MMO's the past 12 Years non-stop. I have played on private servers that were run by a few people and they fixed stuff that stays for months in ESO in a 30 minute hotfix!

To your second point: That is what I'm talking about. I know there is currently no response to bug tickets. But there should be communication. If it's obvious that it's not just a false report contact the player ask him how the bug occured, how to replicate it and then FIX it.

Draxys · December 2015

HEAR HEAR

Valrien wrote: »

I hope you realize that Zenimax nor any other game developer will ever be able to fix everything wrong with a video game. This game is actually not so bad about bugs, but maybe if you stopped being so cynical you'd realize that.

Also you don't really communicate with bug reports. Zenimax even says before you send the ticket that this isn't something they will respond to, just look at to confirm that it is a bug and try to fix it if they can.

Wow you are apparently blind to the critical issues this game has had since before launch.

wrathofrraath · December 2015

Valrien wrote: »

I hope you realize that Zenimax nor any other game developer will ever be able to fix everything wrong with a video game. This game is actually not so bad about bugs, but maybe if you stopped being so cynical you'd realize that.

Also you don't really communicate with bug reports. Zenimax even says before you send the ticket that this isn't something they will respond to, just look at to confirm that it is a bug and try to fix it if they can.

Yet still an effort of an entire season of quality of life updates would be hailed and possibly be achieved through crowdfunding. Houses with unstable foundations get rekt by RNG

Jeckll · December 2015

While I personally also feel like I would definitely pay for such a "fix-dlc", I think that alone says a lot about the current state of the game.

On the other hand, while many bugs and broken mechanics are annoying, they are not game breaking. I could enjoy the game even with a lot of broken mechanics. What kills if for me personally is the lag in Cyrodiil.

When I think about it, the greatest day in ESO in the past months was not when I finally got a Molag Kena Mask after a billion runs, it was not the first time I finished vMSA - the single best thing was the day ZOS fixed the loading screen issue. Read that again and realize how desperately we need a working game before we get new quests, rewards or a Thieves Guild.

kongkim · December 2015

And they can't do both?
But really there is not bugs right now "bugging" me. I would rather have the DLC

Katinas · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

so Zenimax what are you doing today?
Let me have a guess, You're either doing not so much or you are working on the new Thieves guild DLC. Or even on the DLC after that. Who knows.

Q: How many people are actually working?
A: About half of them.

Xantaria · December 2015

kongkim wrote: »

And they can't do both?

Don't think they can, because then they just would.

Sharee · December 2015

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

JD2013 · December 2015

I honestly do not get how much the word "broken" is thrown around here.

I personally have not come across a bug that has stopped quest advancement since beta, I can count on one hand the amount of times that lag has stopped me in PVP, I've had the game crash on me about 5 times in nearly 2 years of playing, broken combat? I've killed plenty of players in PVP and indeed hundreds and hundreds of mobs and bosses, and any time I have come across a bug, I have reported it. They can't reply to every single bug report.

Also people working on fixes are likely not the same team as those working on DLC's.

I can get why people are frustrated and if you crash as a regular thing or get lag every single night then that would be horrific. Absolutely would. But don't assume it's broken for everyone. Hardware plays into this, as do lots of other variables. They're currently looking at some things in the game's physics engine that look like they're contributing to the lag. That's not an easy fix, digging deep down into the game's engines.

I'm not saying things don't need to be fixed. They do. But I've never not been able to play when I have the time to because it's "broken." I'm not sure that people around here know the actual definition of broken.

Xantaria · December 2015

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

Xantaria · December 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

I honestly do not get how much the word "broken" is thrown around here.

I personally have not come across a bug that has stopped quest advancement since beta, I can count on one hand the amount of times that lag has stopped me in PVP, I've had the game crash on me about 5 times in nearly 2 years of playing, broken combat? I've killed plenty of players in PVP and indeed hundreds and hundreds of mobs and bosses, and any time I have come across a bug, I have reported it. They can't reply to every single bug report.

Also people working on fixes are likely not the same team as those working on DLC's.

I can get why people are frustrated and if you crash as a regular thing or get lag every single night then that would be horrific. Absolutely would. But don't assume it's broken for everyone. Hardware plays into this, as do lots of other variables. They're currently looking at some things in the game's physics engine that look like they're contributing to the lag. That's not an easy fix, digging deep down into the game's engines.

I'm not saying things don't need to be fixed. They do. But I've never not been able to play when I have the time to because it's "broken." I'm not sure that people around here know the actual definition of broken.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/213734/bugs-compendium-of-current-bugs-exploits-maintained-daily

JD2013 · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I honestly do not get how much the word "broken" is thrown around here.

I personally have not come across a bug that has stopped quest advancement since beta, I can count on one hand the amount of times that lag has stopped me in PVP, I've had the game crash on me about 5 times in nearly 2 years of playing, broken combat? I've killed plenty of players in PVP and indeed hundreds and hundreds of mobs and bosses, and any time I have come across a bug, I have reported it. They can't reply to every single bug report.

Also people working on fixes are likely not the same team as those working on DLC's.

I can get why people are frustrated and if you crash as a regular thing or get lag every single night then that would be horrific. Absolutely would. But don't assume it's broken for everyone. Hardware plays into this, as do lots of other variables. They're currently looking at some things in the game's physics engine that look like they're contributing to the lag. That's not an easy fix, digging deep down into the game's engines.

I'm not saying things don't need to be fixed. They do. But I've never not been able to play when I have the time to because it's "broken." I'm not sure that people around here know the actual definition of broken.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/213734/bugs-compendium-of-current-bugs-exploits-maintained-daily

Linking me to a post that I've already read does not change my words

Sharee · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

If there is a bug that truly affects everybody, then it will get a high priority. But the only 'bug' of this magnitude i am aware of is cyrodiil lag. And not everybody does cyrodiil PvP, so we're back to my example: spend all resources on this, and your PvE'rs leave.

Selique · December 2015

This is the most broken MMO you've ever played? Wow.... What were you playing before? I've been in almost every major (And many minor) MMOs since MMO's became a thing. Can't say this is the most broken lmao.

Ever heard of SWG? That was so borked it was redesigned two years in, and still chugged along bleeding players for another 6 or 7 years.

Final Fantasy had to relaunch entirely it was so bad. (These are just two examples of the many many MMOs that have launched since the early 2000's).

So... You're either 14 (You were playing since you were ten right?) Or, you've only played one or two other MMOs in your life, and failed to recognize the bugs and issues those two MMOs had.

ESO is by far one of the most balanced, and smoothly running MMOs. Its not anywhere near perfect, but neither are any MMO's on the market. Look at the bug lists of any of them, you'll see "major", "Game breaking", and "old" bugs that the Dev's have not fixed yet.

Divinius · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

I don't PvP. I am not affected by the lag and have 20ms ping constantly.

And believe it or not, there are LOTS of players that hate PvP and don't care about it at all.

Jeckll · December 2015

Selique wrote: »

ESO is by far one of the most balanced, and smoothly running MMOs.

Wow, and I thought exaggerating is only my prefered stylistic device ^^
Here are 3 MMOs I played that ran more smoothly from the very beginning: World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, Rift

Xantaria · December 2015

Selique wrote: »

This is the most broken MMO you've ever played? Wow.... What were you playing before? I've been in almost every major (And many minor) MMOs since MMO's became a thing. Can't say this is the most broken lmao.

Ever heard of SWG? That was so borked it was redesigned two years in, and still chugged along bleeding players for another 6 or 7 years.

Final Fantasy had to relaunch entirely it was so bad. (These are just two examples of the many many MMOs that have launched since the early 2000's).

So... You're either 14 (You were playing since you were ten right?) Or, you've only played one or two other MMOs in your life, and failed to recognize the bugs and issues those two MMOs had.

ESO is by far one of the most balanced, and smoothly running MMOs. Its not anywhere near perfect, but neither are any MMO's on the market. Look at the bug lists of any of them, you'll see "major", "Game breaking", and "old" bugs that the Dev's have not fixed yet.

Have not played those. I'm 22.

RuneScape, World of Warcraft from BC to start of Cataclysm, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2, Hello Kitty Online and now ESO. I usually stick to MMO's for years.

Xantaria · December 2015

Divinius wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

I don't PvP. I am not affected by the lag and have 20ms ping constantly.

And believe it or not, there are LOTS of players that hate PvP and don't care about it at all.

No you don't. Just logging into the game in an empty zone and you have 20-160 all the time spiking between those values. I do have a monster internet connection and I'm right next to the servers and yours cannot be better.

And listen: I don't care about PvP at all. But just listing how many abilities don't work correctly would take me hours. And that's just the ones I know about. I probably just know a very small fragment of all the stuff that is bugged. Calculating and theorycrafting builds which don't work because Zenimax's Math is some weird alien *** is killing it for me.

Selique · December 2015

Jeckll wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

ESO is by far one of the most balanced, and smoothly running MMOs.

Wow, and I thought exaggerating is only my prefered stylistic device ^^
Here are 3 MMOs I played that ran more smoothly from the very beginning: World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, Rift

As I said, it is one of. Not the Only.

Divinius · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

I don't PvP. I am not affected by the lag and have 20ms ping constantly.

And believe it or not, there are LOTS of players that hate PvP and don't care about it at all.

No you don't. Just logging into the game in an empty zone and you have 20-120

Ooooh.. 80ms ping. Gamebreaking. Not.

I've never seen my ping go above 100 unless I'm simultaneously downloading something else on my PC.

Point is, people scream about bugs, and Sharee hit the nail on the head. I'd love to see certain bugs fixed too, but different bugs affect different players. Only the major ones that affect everyone are worked on, because it's not worth it to fix non-critical bugs, or ones that only affect a smaller percentage of the playerbase.

Xantaria · December 2015

Divinius wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

I don't PvP. I am not affected by the lag and have 20ms ping constantly.

And believe it or not, there are LOTS of players that hate PvP and don't care about it at all.

No you don't. Just logging into the game in an empty zone and you have 20-120

Ooooh.. 80ms ping. Gamebreaking. Not.

I've never seen my ping go above 100 unless I'm simultaneously downloading something else on my PC.

Point is, people scream about bugs, and Sharee hit the nail on the head. I'd love to see certain bugs fixed too, but different bugs affect different players. Only the major ones that affect everyone are worked on, because it's not worth it to fix non-critical bugs, or ones that only affect a smaller percentage of the playerbase.

That attitude honestly. How can you even play a game knowing for example that your character values are not true that they are not showing your actual numbers?

Jura23 · December 2015

I play about 5 months. From what I've seen during that time, I don't believe atm. this group of devs is capable of running successful MMO long term. I hope they prove me wrong in the next year though.

I used to play SWTOR and LOTRO in the past but I haven't experienced such distrust towards the devs in those games.

wrathofrraath · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Calculating and theorycrafting builds which don't work because Zenimax's Math is some weird alien *** is killing it for me.

^This

Also, quick loadscreens are OP

HairyFairy · December 2015

I agree to disagree.

I feel as good of an idea this may be, it also isn't.

Ask yourself, How many people will quit due to no new content?

How many people are going to cry about the 'promise' of new content every quarter?

The bugs in this game aren't 'gamebreaking' enough to stop production of new content. They are fixing bugs, and I am sure they are fixing them in as fast of a manor as humanly possible.

Also, any 'gamebreaking' bug that does surface, gets fixed quite fast. months is a bit over-exaggerating.

P.S. Have you noticed how incredibly fast load screens have become?

Jeckll · December 2015

Selique wrote: »

P.S. Have you noticed how incredibly fast load screens have become?

Loading Screen issue was around like multiple moths..I'd go so far to say half a year.

Sevalaricgirl · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

There is a bug that affects 20 people. 5000 more people are unaffected.

ZOS spends their resources adding new DLC instead of fixing bug: 20 people leave, 5000 people are happy.
ZOS spends theor resources fixing the bug: 20 people are happy, 5000 people get bored and leave.

It's a matter of priorities.

The Bugs affect everybody. Once you login and use the first bugged ability it affects you. And don't tell me you're not affected by lag and you have 20 ping constantly.

I almost never have lag and if I do, it's on my end. I don't PvP but in PvE, I never experience it unless I am having issues with my cable modem.