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Blazing spear that OP skill needs even more nerfing!
DanielWinterborn
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What? No one saw this coming? I mean for real guys wake up, i was nuked 2 times in 1v1 duel by a NB lvl 34 and probably i died too slow, ZOS decided to nerf a bit more to that account, now i can get nuked by a lvl 30 NB. Happy days. Can someone explain to me why i leveled all the way to Vr16, grinded and farmed for days on end to get the best in-game items, tweaked my stupid templar class as much as i could, spent hours and hours testing different CP combos to find the best one just to grow into a PvP monster and then get squashed like i was nothing by a lvl 34 NB? If i knew this game was so unbalalnced i would have never got in it in the first place! Not to mention Cyro teleporting lag, just blink blink everyone. ZOS just wasted all my time with a class that simply sucks no matter what you do.
How is it that i never see any Sorc QQ thread on how weak that class is, or any NB thread? Does this not concern ZOS staff at all?
ZOS logic - never do what the people want and troll them by doing the opposite.
How is it that i never see any Sorc QQ thread on how weak that class is, or any NB thread? Does this not concern ZOS staff at all?
ZOS logic - never do what the people want and troll them by doing the opposite.
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.ContraTempo
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭baddabumb16_ESO wrote: »loose versus level 34 nb. ltp mate.
LoL, learn to think before you post "mate" . Telling me ltp after 4 months on templar,go away troll.6 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
nb is also better in taking down several targets pretty quick.
Templar has the issue that many abilities are not working properly and are simply garbage.
NB has better passives than templar has actives. That should start make them think.
On the other hand jabs dmg is pretended to be very high but its not. It takes 1.1 seconds and does 7.5k dmg in the best cases but a nb can hit with up to9k+ with his simple gapcloser and his instant surprise attack. additionally to that, zos doesnt seem to think about the weaving that is pretty screwed as a templar since everything is channeled.
So channels open up the defence and additonally take away lots of dmg.
But people allready complain about jabs being so strong, not seein whats behind all of it. It isnt so strong at all. a
And other classes do way more dmg. I use it to get people out of stealth which isnt unique at all.
If the nb was a good player and properly battleleveled he indeed can bring a templar down if smart enough.Edited by Mumyo on December 1, 2015 11:10AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm guessing ZOS saw all those "Templar OP" threads and decided to do something about that"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.0 -
ZeFeZ✭ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
Are you awake atm? Or still sleeping when you posted that? Because you clearly have no clue.4 -
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✭Looking at the Templar skills nerf history, we should be down to only using the raw weapon damage/healing by mid 2016.
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✭✭Moonshadow66 wrote: »Looking at the Templar skills nerf history, we should be down to only using the raw weapon damage/healing by mid 2016.
XD
You mean we'll tell our magicka-NB to heal the group while we are spamming puncturing sweeps? Until 2016 they have nerfed every dungeon so hard, that a single NB can outheal everything --->no one will need an experienced temp-heal
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✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.2 -
SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
No respect to the elder, the youngsters these days...
But seriously this is what battle leveling for. To even the field a bit more. I'm pretty sure that a pvp oriented, well equipped seasoned templar is hard to beat.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Whoops sorry guys the buff we gave Blazing Spear was unintended so instead we're going to nerf it weaker than what it was.
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modaretto✭✭✭the idea they always promote is that you should be able to play any role in any class, so we have nightblade tanks and sorc tanks or dragonknight healers but it is extremely difficult to play as a dd on a templar right now and of all things shards didn't need nerfing -.- nothing about a templar ever needs nerfing0 -
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✭✭They need to fix battle level in general I'm sick n tired of fighting anyone who's below v10 because they just get such a massive buff.
Worst part is that they know that and all they do is spam their slowing/knocking back abilities to drain your resources.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
No respect to the elder, the youngsters these days...
But seriously this is what battle leveling for. To even the field a bit more. I'm pretty sure that a pvp oriented, well equipped seasoned templar is hard to beat.
But why in the name of the Divines would you buff low levels to even things up? Though luck, no level and no gear no chance in Vet Campaigns go do the non vet one, really the buff is just too much!0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
No respect to the elder, the youngsters these days...
But seriously this is what battle leveling for. To even the field a bit more. I'm pretty sure that a pvp oriented, well equipped seasoned templar is hard to beat.
Let's go over this quickly.
Our main damage skill sweeps and jabs does not work on shields, it doesn't get the 140% damage buff, meaning it hits for maybe 500 per jab against a shield.
Our main ranged attack dark flare is slightly bugged in that the first time you cast it, it takes nearly 2 seconds to cast, can't be animation cancelled, and does less damage than crystal frags, which can be instance cast with 20% more damage and a reduced cost.
Our only other dps skill is reflective light, which is mainly a DoT which is uselsss in pvp, undaunted skill line trapping Web does significantly more damage.
All of our ultimates are lack luster, even more so in pvp.
Our only aoe has been nerfed twice (blazing spears) so that it's dps is now usless.
Basically anyone using a shield + a reflect can completly negate our class, we don't have a single skill to hit them with that does more than 1k damage at best.
That's not including
Toppling charge bugged
Radiant destruction not executing anymore
All our skills being channels which can't be animation cancelled, also meaning they do a metric ton of zero burst damage.
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✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
Maybe the guy was sporting refined gear, loads of CP and than battle leveled.
Lowbies can have better stats in PvP than VR16's, after they buffed battle leveling. So max level doesn't mean auto win. It's build, cp, skill, gear and not playing a templar, that matters.
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
Maybe the guy was sporting refined gear, loads of CP and than battle leveled.
Lowbies can have better stats in PvP than VR16's, after they buffed battle leveling. So max level doesn't mean auto win. It's build, cp, skill, gear and not playing a templar, that matters.
You got that last part very right, nice i like it "not playing a templar, that matters"3 -
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✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »NB often specialize in taking down single targets. Think assassin. That's an advantage of that class.
Your templar is probably more group or even support oriented. That's a strength of the Templar class. So don't be a single target, be in a group.
No no no no. This is not normal in any game, never have i seen this before. they say "items matter" hahahaahah funny *** really love it.
play the primary healer of any game against the assasin class of that game in a 1vs1 and come back.
No no no no. This should never happen 34 level > vr16 . Simple as that, take out battle level compeltely, if lowers want pvp they should go in non veteran campaign.
No respect to the elder, the youngsters these days...
But seriously this is what battle leveling for. To even the field a bit more. I'm pretty sure that a pvp oriented, well equipped seasoned templar is hard to beat.
Let's go over this quickly.
Our main damage skill sweeps and jabs does not work on shields, it doesn't get the 140% damage buff, meaning it hits for maybe 500 per jab against a shield.
Our main ranged attack dark flare is slightly bugged in that the first time you cast it, it takes nearly 2 seconds to cast, can't be animation cancelled, and does less damage than crystal frags, which can be instance cast with 20% more damage and a reduced cost.
Our only other dps skill is reflective light, which is mainly a DoT which is uselsss in pvp, undaunted skill line trapping Web does significantly more damage.
All of our ultimates are lack luster, even more so in pvp.
Our only aoe has been nerfed twice (blazing spears) so that it's dps is now usless.
Basically anyone using a shield + a reflect can completly negate our class, we don't have a single skill to hit them with that does more than 1k damage at best.
That's not including
Toppling charge bugged
Radiant destruction not executing anymore
All our skills being channels which can't be animation cancelled, also meaning they do a metric ton of zero burst damage.
So, the issue is mostly that templar is bugged like hell.
Like DK's reflective scales working 50% of the time.
Like NB's cloak randomly not working (hello Unstable flame / Burning embers)
Like Sorc's Velocious curse considered as DoT and not proccing crit surge.
Like WB ignoring block and having a range of 12+ meters.
Like DK's dragon leap sometimes not firing, yet still wasting your ultimate (bugged wings effects).
Like Sorc's hardcast C.Frag bugging out when cancelling its animation (burning your magicka but doing no damage)
You also didn't mention Eclipse
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Templars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....Edited by robkrush on December 1, 2015 1:24PMPS4-NA-DC
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The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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you must be newTemplars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....
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✭✭✭✭✭Templars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....
This is just plain WRONG. No class has a predefined role. Stop trolling.2 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭Ambush -surprise attack - wrecking blow.
Cloak - cloak - cloakEdited by Digerati on December 1, 2015 1:38PM1 -
robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Templars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....
This is just plain WRONG. No class has a predefined role. Stop trolling.
People keep repeating that nonsense but its the fact. Get used to it.Edited by robkrush on December 1, 2015 1:37PMPS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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How does it feel when a Templar does more DPS than you in PvE then?Templars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....
This is just plain WRONG. No class has a predefined role. Stop trolling.
People keep repeating that nonsense but its the fact. Get used to it.
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You have no respect for logic... and I have no respect for those with no respect for logic.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Templars are the healers in the game. I'm sorry but you cant expect to have strong attacks too.
Don't get me wrong, There are some really great templar players. But the majority pop their healing ultimate at the beginning of fight, get destroyed, then come here to complain about how weak they are. Hmmm....
This is just plain WRONG. No class has a predefined role. Stop trolling.
People keep repeating that nonsense but its the fact. Get used to it.
If this is true why have zenimax said on multiple occasions that they DO NOT want templars to just be healers, or have they got it wrong too?1
