I have an FX 8350 OC to 4.6GHz and the only time I lag is in cyrodill when the ping goes red in Zerg blob fights, but even guys with Intel i7 lag in those cases as a simple visit to the alliance war section will show.

Yes eso could use better cpu optimization, single thread favors Intel but its not as large as percentages lead you to believe. Infact the FX chips are beating the i5 has wells in games like fallout 4, wittcher 3, etc because new games actually use the whole chip as it was designed instead of just part of it.

That being said my FX runs eso fine with the exception of red ping server lag, I will suggest the following though:

1. Make sure you have the newest BIOS update for your motherboard.

2. Ensure you have adequate cooling on the VRM on your motherboard.

3 ensure you have a good 3rd party watercolor for that FX 9590

The water cooler that comes with the 9590 is just barely enough to keep it below 70c...ideally you want to stay below 60c to prevent throttling. The Corsair H100i is the bare min I would recommend to cool that chip, an even bigger Waterloo would be better.

When using water cooling you need more case fans to cool your motherboard, you need fans blowing over those heat sinks next to your cpu socket on your motherboard, those are your VRM and if they get to hot your chip will throttle even if the cpu it's self is under 61c to prevent damage to your motherboard.

If you can try to under volt a bit

I got my 8350 stable at 4.6ghz at only 1.33v which is way below the stock 1.425v so it runs faster and cooler because it draws less power.

The number one issue with AMD chips is inadequate cooling. Cooling the cpu itself isn't enough, you need proper airflow over the board and VRM phases to prevent throttling....that's a 220w tdp chip. Adding a few fans blowing in the right places on any FX based rig to keep the board and cpu cool will lead to very improved performance due to no throttling.

What I noticed when I used my old AMD 9850 Black CPU, is that setting the following setting in UserSettings.txt, located in your "Documents" folder then \Elder Scrolls Online\live (or liveeu), SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads to "0" instead of "-1" gave better FPS on busy scenes than the original setting.

I still have the setting like that, even though I've since switched to an Intel i5 CPU.

Symbiote wrote: »

Step 1. Make shortcut to .exe on Desktop.
Step 2. Right-click the shortcut and click Properties.
Step 3. After the ending quotation mark in the Target location, add *spacebar*-USEALLAVAILABLECORES
Step 4. Apply and launch.
Step 5. PROFIT

Now this is very interesting! I'm sorry for being somewhat dense, but is that command switch "just as it is" or with a "-" in front of it i.e. "eso.exe USEALLAVAILABLECORES" or eso.exe -USEALLAVAILABLECORES"?

Update: This command switch is working amazingly! Kudos @Symbiote for sharing this! I've since set the SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads to "-1" in the UserSettings.txt, it seems that either way, the command switch works wonders.

Edit* I use the string -USEALLAVAILABLECORES. This is a scoop which should be shouted, devs made aware too. Brilliant! (So far.)

Idinuse wrote: »

Symbiote wrote: »

Step 1. Make shortcut to .exe on Desktop.
Step 2. Right-click the shortcut and click Properties.
Step 3. After the ending quotation mark in the Target location, add *spacebar*-USEALLAVAILABLECORES
Step 4. Apply and launch.
Step 5. PROFIT

Now this is very interesting! I'm sorry for being somewhat dense, but is that command switch "just as it is" or with a "-" in front of it i.e. "eso.exe USEALLAVAILABLECORES" or eso.exe -USEALLAVAILABLECORES"?

RMB on the ESO.exe file and open the Properties, you will see Target Location: "C:/Program Files/Zenimax/Elder Scrolls Online/etc.." (or something along those lines)

You need to add *spacebar*-USEALLAVAILABLECORES behind the line starting with "C:/.. if I understand it correctly.

[Edit] I just tested this with my 3D CAD program at work and it reduced the loading times so it seems to work great. @Symbiote thank you for sharing this!

Yes, Thank you for your input @Septimus_Magna! What I was unsure of was if the "-" should be in front of USEALLAVAILABLECORES, which I first tried since when I quoted Symbiotes comment I saw it was meant to be together with the command switch. (I'm used to command switches or parameters having a "/" in front rather than a "-") =D

I agree @Symbiote, even the loading times are lightning fast in comparison without it. The first Transitus port in Cyrodiil after entering usually could take between 1-3mins even after the fix update, the following after were around 3sec, but now the initial port takes around 30 seconds, the following still just a couple of seconds. FPS at around 50-60+ in keeps. This was during Scandinavian mid day (early morning US time I guess), so hopefully it stays the same during prime time as well.

@Symbiote Sorry, I meant to get back to you sooner.

I think your fan setup sounds good, You say 58C is that the core temp(Package Temp in HWMonitor, Openhardware Monitor, etc) or is that that the CPU socket temp?

I say this because AMD CPU's are funny...the AMD FX Core Temperature is NOT accurate until its under load at around 45C and higher as its based on a precise calculation that is accurate under load conditions.There is no such thing as a core temp sensor on the chip itself, core temp is based off math. So those sub 40C cpu temps you see on most programs are not correct.

The CPU Socket Temp is different then the Core Temp and is usually labeled CPU Temp or Temp1 on most monitoring programs. This Temp is a sensor on your motherboard on the CPU Socket, and its a pretty good indicator on idle temps, but it also has other ramifications. When the CPU Socket Temp gets close to 65C or higher your CPU Will drop Vcore and will lower clock rates due to heat. Even if your package temp is below 61C it will do this.

Some reading from the AMD BIOS and Kernel Development Guide as well as from Tom's to explain.

http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/49125_15h_Models_30h-3Fh_BKDG.pdf

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

The only way to correctly know your AMD FX real Temp is to use the AMD Overdrive Program. The AMD Overdrive program calculates "Thermal Margin"

What Thermal Margin shows is how many degrees you have before you hit the wall....so when Thermal Margin Shows 59C that is NOT the Temp of your chip, it counts backwards mening you have 59 degrees C before you hit the Thermal Margin, when you hit the Thermal Margin(when it gets down to zero) you will see the Chip throttle and lower its vcore, as i have done this numerous times in testing and this is how it behaves.

Remember, Thermal Margin counts backwards...starts at 61c and counts down to zero, once you hit zero the chip throttles.

The FX 9590 even with the best cooling setups is known to throttle for various reason, the 1st being Application Power Management option in the BIOS works in conjunction with AMD Turbo Core to boost and throttle the chip at load in order to ensure the chip stays within its define TDP Envelope.

The Fx 9590 has a base clock of 4.7 Ghz and a Turbo Boost of 5 Ghz.

The first thing I would suggest is to go into your BIOS and find CPU CPB or AMD Turbo Core Technology and turn it off....this will prevent your CPU from having its Vcore jumping into 1.464-1.5v range, a 300mzh loss in CPU clock for very brief periods of Turbo Boost will not be noticed because your chip won't be throttling itself back at all...

Turbo Core believe it or not is a misnomer....Turbo Core allows the CPU to boost "Only if it has the TDP room to do so" in many case Turbo core can cause your CPU to Throttle back since it works with Application Power Management to ensure your CPU is not drawing more power then the TDP is rated for...turning off AMD Turbo core ensures your chip never surpasses the TDP Limit thus it never throttles...your better off running at 4.7 Ghz all the time then having Turnbo Core on and boosting to 5Ghz every now and then but also throttling down to 4.3-4.5Ghz every so often too...if that makes any sense.

http://www.ronwoods.us/2014/02/what-does-amd-application-power.html

there is a very good write up about what Application Power Management does and how it works, it also talks about HPC Mode (Causes the CPU to throttle when the socket temps get to high) I wouldn't recommend enabling HPC mode myself, and i would reccomend turning Turbo Core off, 4.7 Ghz is very fast and test have shown the FX Series hits a wall around 4.6Ghz where performance gains in relation to power consumption hit a wall at any speeds faster then then where the amount of power drawn for speed gained isn't worth it, and the cooler you can keep that chip that faster it will run...your better off to run at 4.7Ghz with 54C Core and 61C Socket temps then you are to run 5.0Ghz with 59C Core Temps and 71C Socket Temps.:

And i'll have to test the UseAllAvailableCores switch tonight, I have heard it was an option to try with some games but i never got around to seeing if it worked with ESO, if it does work that should help performance tremendously.

yvesfouquet4 wrote: »

Do me a favor Symbiote, and figure out with GPU-Z or another hardware monitoring program, if both GPU's are under load during gaming?

Let me know your thoughts
thx

Hello! I've provided two screenshots of both my main screen and my sensors from GPU-Z while both of my GPU's are running the game, SLI'd. Keep in mind that I set the GPU's to "force alternate frame rendering 2" and I also changed my "GPUSmoothingFrames" to 0, as I read that's what you're supposed to do when using SLI on this game.

http://imgur.com/HI1bcZa
http://imgur.com/LZbGynZ

Edit: Yes, I've since then upgraded from two GTX 780's to two GTX 970's. My roommate got two 980ti's a few days ago, and I'm now using his older cards. Very nice so far!

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

@Symbiote Sorry, I meant to get back to you sooner.

No problem! If you follow the link below, I took several pictures of my BIOs and some in-game screenshots after making the changes. I turned off TurboCore but I left PowerManagement as auto, as you'll see in the screenshots. Not sure if that was right or wrong. You'll also see AMD OverDrive screenshots there while I have the game running.

http://imgur.com/a/aPOHf

warrhell wrote: »

this is how my pc's handles the game...really annoying the fps drop

https://youtu.be/nQGqVeXLZ-k

That really looks frustrating, I wouldn't even play the game at that rage with all those stutters. Did you try our method mentioned above in this thread about setting a command line for using all of the CPU cores? Seems to work like a charm for all of us so far, but I see you're using Intel already, not sure if it'll make a difference.

@Symbiote

You are correct to leave Application Power Management on Auto and HPC mode to disabled.

I have to ask though, why do you have Cool and Quiet, C1E and Core C6 State disabled? Those 3 items should be enabled, I have them enabled even though i have my chip overclocked and they cause no problems.

Cool and Quiet -simply lets your CPU drop is Vcore and its clock rate when the PC is not doing anything. It has no effect on your gaming performance at all, and it only works when your not doing anything intensive with your PC. You don't need your CPU draw 1.4+ volts and clock running at 4.7Ghz while just browsing the web, its causing a lot more TDP to be dumped into your case then necessary.

C1E-This stands for Enhanced Halt State, to keep this short, what this means is when all of your CPU cores enter the C1 State, the chipset will send a message indicating the system is ready to enter C1E and C1E puts the cpu cores, the memory controller, and the CPU to Northbridge and PCI links into a low power Z state that still appears to be accessible to user allowing the system to draw significantly less power while being lightly used or still accessible. Its another feature that has no effect on gaming, and is only used when doing things such as browsing the web but wi,l significantly reduced the TDP being put into your case allowing your entire system to consume less power and produce much less heat.

Core C6 State - Core C6 State works with APM, if you have Turbo Core turned on, it will not work right with C6 State turned off. C6 state also allows for "Core Power Gating" which means it literally allows it to shut off cores completely instead of just putting them into a sleep or low power state like C1E. What this means is in games that only use a few cores, your CPU can shut the unused cores off which will allow it to maintain a higher Vcore on the used cores which means it can maintain higher frequencies on less cores without exceeding its TDP limit. Overall, having C6 State turned on is very nice. C6 works in conjunction with C1E on AMD chips to power gate the cores and shut cores your not using off when they are not needed and its a wonderful feature.

AMD APM Mode - This not only works with AMD Turbo Core, but it also works with C6 State and throttles and raises and lowers vcore and multipliers as necessary to ensure the chip does not exceed its rated TDP. It the chip starts to exceed its TDP, it will throttle clock speeds and back and drop Vcore a bit. If you have Turbo Core on, this along with C6 allows it to Boost when it can, overall though Turbo Core don't boost enough IMO to be worth it.

Long Story Short:

Turbo Core = off
Cool and Quiet = On
C1E = On
HPC Mode = Off
Core C6 State = On
APM= Auto

That's the best set up for your PC

On Windows 8 and newer, you can simply go into the Control Panel and set the Power Options from Balanced to High Performance to Turn off Core Parking while gaming and then place the Power Plan back to Balanced when your done gaming.

Windows 7 users can use this utility to unpark cores.

https://bitsum.com/parkcontrol/

This is what I have found works best in all my tinkering with AMD chips since Thuban up We also have the same exactl BIOS, probably the same board!

PS: I tried the USEALLAVAILABLECORES tweak on the newest Windows 10, but it actually made performance worse for me...it only gives me usage on 6 cores instead of all 8 cores without using it. Perhaps this works better on Windows 8, 8, and 8.1? I'll do some more digging tonight and see what i can find out, however my FPS is always good unless my ping goes over 140, once i got over 140, my FPS starts to have issues as my latency increases...I can run around Stormhaven at primetime with 60 FPS around tons of players long as my ping is below 100....

Thank you @RinaldoGandolphi for sharing your findings with us!

I tried -USEALLAVAILABLECORES but I crashed 3 times that evening so I turned that off again.

No difference for me, still getting 30fps~ no matter if I set 1440p or 4k.
Fury Tri-X, FX-8370@4.6GHz
and even RAM is 2133Mhz which I just figured to try out as I have never tried to OC it before.

This feels very similar to World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade defaults which has older timing method for lower resolution gaming, which defaults as 2-cores, 3 threads? Ramped these up just again for curiosity and vola~ 240fps 25man raid.

Main difference for that was that the older timing pretty much limited 60fps/1080p while the newer one worked with modern 290 Tri-X so well that I had to limit it down as I started to actually get sweaty in raid like its some torture benchmark.