These two ultimate need to cause physical damage

dday3six · November 2015

Unless ZOS adds physical resistance to CP stars that would let NB murder combo in PVP. Ambush does not break Cloak. So if fast enough a NB can Cloak - Ambush - Soul Harvest. If Soul Harvest was physical damage it would not only get the buffs from stealth and Empower in that scenario, but also scale with Mighty. That would smooth ko most people. I'm not even talking about ganking either. I'm talking you engage a skilled NB and boom you just die.

That is way over the top and completely unneeded. It would be going backward for PVP. ZOS moved away from low time to kill on purpose. It's senseless to backslide to it, particularly for just one class build.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

dday3six wrote: »

Unless ZOS adds physical resistance to CP stars that would let NB murder combo in PVP. Ambush does not break Cloak. So if fast enough a NB can Cloak - Ambush - Soul Harvest. If Soul Harvest was physical damage it would not only get the buffs from stealth and Empower in that scenario, but also scale with Mighty. That would smooth ko most people. I'm not even talking about ganking either. I'm talking you engage a skilled NB and boom you just die.

That is way over the top and completely unneeded. It would be going backward for PVP. ZOS moved away from low time to kill on purpose. It's senseless to backslide to it, particularly for just one class build.

Okay the whole making stam Nightblades more powerful argument is stupid. Sorcerers have overload, and there isn't a single ultimate that even compares to overload. Right now as far as ultimates go, it's completely one sided with the champion system. Yeah that cloak combination sounds deadly, but if it is so deadly why isn't it happening now? Heck it's very easy to pull off as a magicka Nightblade by activating might of the guild.

dday3six · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Unless ZOS adds physical resistance to CP stars that would let NB murder combo in PVP. Ambush does not break Cloak. So if fast enough a NB can Cloak - Ambush - Soul Harvest. If Soul Harvest was physical damage it would not only get the buffs from stealth and Empower in that scenario, but also scale with Mighty. That would smooth ko most people. I'm not even talking about ganking either. I'm talking you engage a skilled NB and boom you just die.

That is way over the top and completely unneeded. It would be going backward for PVP. ZOS moved away from low time to kill on purpose. It's senseless to backslide to it, particularly for just one class build.

Okay the whole making stam Nightblades more powerful argument is stupid. Sorcerers have overload, and there isn't a single ultimate that even compares to overload. Right now as far as ultimates go, it's completely one sided with the champion system. Yeah that cloak combination sounds deadly, but if it is so deadly why isn't it happening now? Heck it's very easy to pull off as a magicka Nightblade by activating might of the guild.

Calling something is stupid is the hallmark of not understanding what is actually being talked about. It's an attempt at misdirection via labeling rather than actually addressing the criticism. The crux of the issue was no physical resistance star in the CP constellations. Stam Nightblade getting stronger is just a donimo effect.

If you had paid more attention you'd notice I clearly said "no, unless". As in; I don't think it's a good idea to add more phyiscal damage based ultimates unless ZOS adds a phyiscal resistence option in the CP system. Then I went on to detail an outcome to express why. It was never ment as a comparsion to Sorc's Overload.

To indulge you on why you don't see that combo much. Well on console many players don't fully understand animation canceling. And even on PC many players don't know that Ambush does not break Cloak.

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ostrapz · November 2015

Was thinking this same thing recently. I can understand why people would be against it because od high damage but thats not a good reason to trash the idea. Every ultimate is magic, that doesnt even sound right. Maybe they would scaledown a bit with physical damage , or I have often heard people bring up the need for a physical resistance cp which would make sense. Really though ive been hit ko'd by 2 light overloads so its doubtful that death stroke would become the best ultimate instantly.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

ostrapz wrote: »

Was thinking this same thing recently. I can understand why people would be against it because od high damage but thats not a good reason to trash the idea. Every ultimate is magic, that doesnt even sound right. Maybe they would scaledown a bit with physical damage , or I have often heard people bring up the need for a physical resistance cp which would make sense. Really though ive been hit ko'd by 2 light overloads so its doubtful that death stroke would become the best ultimate instantly.

I agree, all this fear about death stroke being stronger for a particular play style is stupid when you have an ultimate like overload in this game. As far as there being a champion system passive for reduced physical damage, they would have to replace Bastion in order to make it happen. On to of that, it's scaling would have to be slow and cap at 15%. That's the only way I believe it could work.

Rylana · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Because they're not. They have good mobility, and great damage output; however their survivability is subpar, and because of this a lot of them rely of ganking. A very weak play style, and if you have a cloak counter on your loadout; they're easy AP. Nightblades are literally the easiest class to kill for me. They're balanced because their survivability naturally sucks; however that's the trade off to having great damage output.

hahahahahahaahha

thats a joke, right? Stamblades have some of the strongest survival/sustain in the game.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Because they're not. They have good mobility, and great damage output; however their survivability is subpar, and because of this a lot of them rely of ganking. A very weak play style, and if you have a cloak counter on your loadout; they're easy AP. Nightblades are literally the easiest class to kill for me. They're balanced because their survivability naturally sucks; however that's the trade off to having great damage output.

hahahahahahaahha

thats a joke, right? Stamblades have some of the strongest survival/sustain in the game.

Could've fooled me. They're the easiest play style for me to kill.

dday3six · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Unless ZOS adds physical resistance to CP stars that would let NB murder combo in PVP. Ambush does not break Cloak. So if fast enough a NB can Cloak - Ambush - Soul Harvest. If Soul Harvest was physical damage it would not only get the buffs from stealth and Empower in that scenario, but also scale with Mighty. That would smooth ko most people. I'm not even talking about ganking either. I'm talking you engage a skilled NB and boom you just die.

That is way over the top and completely unneeded. It would be going backward for PVP. ZOS moved away from low time to kill on purpose. It's senseless to backslide to it, particularly for just one class build.

Okay the whole making stam Nightblades more powerful argument is stupid. Sorcerers have overload, and there isn't a single ultimate that even compares to overload. Right now as far as ultimates go, it's completely one sided with the champion system. Yeah that cloak combination sounds deadly, but if it is so deadly why isn't it happening now? Heck it's very easy to pull off as a magicka Nightblade by activating might of the guild.

Calling something is stupid is the hallmark of not understanding what is actually being talked about. It's an attempt at misdirection via labeling rather than actually addressing the criticism. The crux of the issue was no physical resistance star in the CP constellations. Stam Nightblade getting stronger is just a donimo effect.

If you had paid more attention you'd notice I clearly said "no, unless". As in; I don't think it's a good idea to add more phyiscal damage based ultimates unless ZOS adds a phyiscal resistence option in the CP system. Then I went on to detail an outcome to express why. It was never ment as a comparsion to Sorc's Overload.

To indulge you on why you don't see that combo much. Well on console many players don't fully understand animation canceling. And even on PC many players don't know that Ambush does not break Cloak.

...

Pardon, lol. That's cute. Misread what someone said then posture defensively when you're corrected. Yeah, that's a fine way to get people to take you seriously...

Excuse me if I don't want to see Stamina NB to go the way of DK's of old. The prime objective is balance, and it's hindered by CP not offering physical resistance. Giving more phyiscal based ultimate if that is not corrected will only lead to nerf cries in PVP. Stamina is already at a disadvantage in PVE, and if nerfed, even if for the sake of PVP, will only serve to make that worse. Frankly a course-correction for that is hampered by the absence of physical resistance from CP in the first place. It's all interconnected.

So while yes there should be physical ultimates, physical resistance needs to the CP system in a direct manner like with the others for that to happened.

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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Jhunn wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Death Storke is a Single Target Ultimate that does 5-7k damage in PvP I use it for the the stun. For just three times the cost you can get 10k more damage, a heal, and stun six times as many people.

5-7k? Where are you playing? PS4?

Hahahah Sithis no PC Master Race. But it's a good 10k on the tool tip so cut that in half then once you count Spell Resistance being Stamina I don't have spell pen., magic damage reductions and Absorb Magic it don't it for much more then Suprise Attack and that don't cost me ultimate

ostrapz · November 2015

Just for clarifacation, a spell debuff such as piercing mark is needed to apply to a magic damage ultimate correct?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

ostrapz wrote: »

Just for clarifacation, a spell debuff such as piercing mark is needed to apply to a magic damage ultimate correct?

Sadly yes and with Surprise Attack doing a Armor Mark is only useful for the Ultimate.

Mark it self is Trash but it needed on a bar for anti cloak unless you spam AoEs. It applies a Debuff you already have down and with the healing nerf the heal is a joke but as I say anti Claok.

eliisra · November 2015

Until they introduce a CP sign that reduces physical dmg taken, I very much doubt we'll see more ultis doing physical dmg.
Would be way to many instakills otherwise.

I believe it's intended that Hardy, Thick Skinned or Elemental defender covers 99% of all ultis in-game, in terms of mitigation.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Because they're not. They have good mobility, and great damage output; however their survivability is subpar, and because of this a lot of them rely of ganking. A very weak play style, and if you have a cloak counter on your loadout; they're easy AP. Nightblades are literally the easiest class to kill for me. They're balanced because their survivability naturally sucks; however that's the trade off to having great damage output.

Idk what nbs you play but mine has no problems surviving a lot of pressure. You can always use shadow immage to gain distance cloak and heal up. Also Nbs have aconstant armor and spellresistance buff up and have 20% dodgechance to avoid incoming damage. you can also cloak most of the hard hitting damage or do a dodgeroll here or there. Those things combines with high movement speed is nowhere near a lack of surviveability...

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

eliisra wrote: »

Until they introduce a CP sign that reduces physical dmg taken, I very much doubt we'll see more ultis doing physical dmg.
Would be way to many instakills otherwise.

I believe it's intended that Hardy, Thick Skinned or Elemental defender covers 99% of all ultis in-game, in terms of mitigation.

id instantly put 100 points in there!
Also the CP armor buffs are total crap compared to the CP spellreistance buff idk what zos did think when they made the CP trees?

Kutsuu · November 2015

Ok few points here.

1. It's only fair that there are ultimates which do both physical and magicka damage. We already went through this little jig when all class abilities were magicka based and determined that yes, it's fair for there to be some stamina morphs out there.
2. The damage can be adjusted if it's too much once synergized with Mighty. No one is asking for an overpowered ability, merely the ability to have more synergy in their builds.
3. I whole heartedly agree that there is imbalance in CP for reducing magicka vs physical damage. The irony here is that, if they choose to add a physical damage reduction star, most players will indeed instantly put 100 points into it.... Then get 2-3shotted by all the magicka builds that are now "viable" again because you didn't spend your CPs in hardy. Assuming equal mitigation to magicka and physical damage for most players, you guys will just be complaining about Magicka NBs instead of stam NBs. I am really looking forward to this, because Magicka builds have so much more utility and survivability.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Ok few points here.

1. It's only fair that there are ultimates which do both physical and magicka damage. We already went through this little jig when all class abilities were magicka based and determined that yes, it's fair for there to be some stamina morphs out there.
2. The damage can be adjusted if it's too much once synergized with Mighty. No one is asking for an overpowered ability, merely the ability to have more synergy in their builds.
3. I whole heartedly agree that there is imbalance in CP for reducing magicka vs physical damage. The irony here is that, if they choose to add a physical damage reduction star, most players will indeed instantly put 100 points into it.... Then get 2-3shotted by all the magicka builds that are now "viable" again because you didn't spend your CPs in hardy. Assuming equal mitigation to magicka and physical damage for most players, you guys will just be complaining about Magicka NBs instead of stam NBs. I am really looking forward to this, because Magicka builds have so much more utility and survivability.

Couldn't have said it better myself :-)

Ernest145 · November 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Ok few points here.

1. It's only fair that there are ultimates which do both physical and magicka damage. We already went through this little jig when all class abilities were magicka based and determined that yes, it's fair for there to be some stamina morphs out there.
2. The damage can be adjusted if it's too much once synergized with Mighty. No one is asking for an overpowered ability, merely the ability to have more synergy in their builds.
3. I whole heartedly agree that there is imbalance in CP for reducing magicka vs physical damage. The irony here is that, if they choose to add a physical damage reduction star, most players will indeed instantly put 100 points into it.... Then get 2-3shotted by all the magicka builds that are now "viable" again because you didn't spend your CPs in hardy. Assuming equal mitigation to magicka and physical damage for most players, you guys will just be complaining about Magicka NBs instead of stam NBs. I am really looking forward to this, because Magicka builds have so much more utility and survivability.

With how the game is set up now if they made soul harvest cause physical damage then it would be way too op, simple as that just take a look at take flight. There is no point in speculating and saying "well IF THIS and IF THEY ADD THAT" it brings the argument nowhere. For your argument saying if they added a cp tree for physical damage reduction and how people would stack only that and get destroyed by majicka builds, then that is their fault because they aren't placing their cp smartly.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Ernest145 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Ok few points here.

1. It's only fair that there are ultimates which do both physical and magicka damage. We already went through this little jig when all class abilities were magicka based and determined that yes, it's fair for there to be some stamina morphs out there.
2. The damage can be adjusted if it's too much once synergized with Mighty. No one is asking for an overpowered ability, merely the ability to have more synergy in their builds.
3. I whole heartedly agree that there is imbalance in CP for reducing magicka vs physical damage. The irony here is that, if they choose to add a physical damage reduction star, most players will indeed instantly put 100 points into it.... Then get 2-3shotted by all the magicka builds that are now "viable" again because you didn't spend your CPs in hardy. Assuming equal mitigation to magicka and physical damage for most players, you guys will just be complaining about Magicka NBs instead of stam NBs. I am really looking forward to this, because Magicka builds have so much more utility and survivability.

With how the game is set up now if they made soul harvest cause physical damage then it would be way too op, simple as that just take a look at take flight. There is no point in speculating and saying "well IF THIS and IF THEY ADD THAT" it brings the argument nowhere. For your argument saying if they added a cp tree for physical damage reduction and how people would stack only that and get destroyed by majicka builds, then that is their fault because they aren't placing their cp smartly.

That makes no sense you can't smartly defend against both Full Spell Power and Full Weapon Damage builds at once going 50/50 on both will leave you open to both.

That's the problem right now people not running super Tank builds are dying to Max damage DPS builds.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Well if you dont want to use it your problem but then dont complain about low survivablility of stamlades because its your own choice to play like that

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Well if you dont want to use it your problem but then dont complain about low survivablility of stamlades because its your own choice to play like that

Cloak cost 3.3k last 2.9 seconds last if I get hit with an AoE

Shadow Image 3k last 22 only lets you teleport back for 17 seconds and it's only time, without LoS the debuff is gone.

Using the Dark Shades means you keep a 15% damage reduction debuff on them for 17 seconds no need to recast brogue that they can't purge the shades.

Mirage 3k magic last for 26 seconds 1k Armor and Spell Resistance buff plus 20% miss chance. On top of the 5k from Shadow Barrier.

Both last long and don't need to be recast back to back so I don't need much magic to keep them going.

Running away you burn magic and stamina trying to flee I know cause I have it's better to take 15% less damage while having 1k extra resistance and Shado Barrier's 5k and a 20% miss chance.

It's not like I don't try to stay alive but being able to stand and fight and being able to run are two different things.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Well if you dont want to use it your problem but then dont complain about low survivablility of stamlades because its your own choice to play like that

Cloak cost 3.3k last 2.9 seconds last if I get hit with an AoE

Shadow Image 3k last 22 only lets you teleport back for 17 seconds and it's only time, without LoS the debuff is gone.

Using the Dark Shades means you keep a 15% damage reduction debuff on them for 17 seconds no need to recast brogue that they can't purge the shades.

Mirage 3k magic last for 26 seconds 1k Armor and Spell Resistance buff plus 20% miss chance. On top of the 5k from Shadow Barrier.

Both last long and don't need to be recast back to back so I don't need much magic to keep them going.

Running away you burn magic and stamina trying to flee I know cause I have it's better to take 15% less damage while having 1k extra resistance and Shado Barrier's 5k and a 20% miss chance.

It's not like I don't try to stay alive but being able to stand and fight and being able to run are two different things.

Thats okay if you choose to play nb like that but survivability is not the same as tankyness. A nb is not made for in your face tanking except if you build her for that. A dk can do that even if you build for damage. But in the end the nb will have the same or better survivability due to her mobility and being able to vanish and escape the pressure for a few secons even if you go back in fight the dk has to face it the whole time and has no chance to escape.

PBpsy · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

Just no

Why? I wonder what the game would be like if every ultimate caused physical damage? Wouldn't be fair would it? Welcome to the world of stamina users.

It shouldn't be fair for stam users. Good day . You get nothing.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

Just no

Why? I wonder what the game would be like if every ultimate caused physical damage? Wouldn't be fair would it? Welcome to the world of stamina users.

It shouldn't be fair for stam users. Good day . You get nothing.

lol it's okay, we're used to it.

Angarato · November 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Because they're not. They have good mobility, and great damage output; however their survivability is subpar, and because of this a lot of them rely of ganking. A very weak play style, and if you have a cloak counter on your loadout; they're easy AP. Nightblades are literally the easiest class to kill for me. They're balanced because their survivability naturally sucks; however that's the trade off to having great damage output.

hahahahahahaahha

thats a joke, right? Stamblades have some of the strongest survival/sustain in the game.

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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Well if you dont want to use it your problem but then dont complain about low survivablility of stamlades because its your own choice to play like that

Cloak cost 3.3k last 2.9 seconds last if I get hit with an AoE

Shadow Image 3k last 22 only lets you teleport back for 17 seconds and it's only time, without LoS the debuff is gone.

Using the Dark Shades means you keep a 15% damage reduction debuff on them for 17 seconds no need to recast brogue that they can't purge the shades.

Mirage 3k magic last for 26 seconds 1k Armor and Spell Resistance buff plus 20% miss chance. On top of the 5k from Shadow Barrier.

Both last long and don't need to be recast back to back so I don't need much magic to keep them going.

Running away you burn magic and stamina trying to flee I know cause I have it's better to take 15% less damage while having 1k extra resistance and Shado Barrier's 5k and a 20% miss chance.

It's not like I don't try to stay alive but being able to stand and fight and being able to run are two different things.

Thats okay if you choose to play nb like that but survivability is not the same as tankyness. A nb is not made for in your face tanking except if you build her for that. A dk can do that even if you build for damage. But in the end the nb will have the same or better survivability due to her mobility and being able to vanish and escape the pressure for a few secons even if you go back in fight the dk has to face it the whole time and has no chance to escape.

Survivability in a fight is not about being Tanky it's about be able to live, having to run is not a fight.

I'm not talking about 1vX. But Nightblades can use the same buffs as Dragon Knights minor and major resistance buffs and resource sustainability. Dragons just have more power in a long fight and Nightblades have more end it now powers.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

then maybe you should use your cloak sometimes to back up when you get in a hot situation or shadow immage to get distance to your opponent and then cloak, heal up and pressure again. DKs are a in your face class Nbs are not

Im still not sure what WB has to do with that?

That's a waste of a good morph Shadow Image cost too much and it's a real waste the Dark Shades but the same debuff while following the target. If they block they have will be blocking two Melee attacks a second killing Stamina.

Plus Cloak and a Suprise Attack is a great stun you can heal right their and stay in the fight.

Most of my wins from good players I have next to nothing left full heavy CP in damage and more resources back cloak Suprise Attack and win with a few percents of health.

Well if you dont want to use it your problem but then dont complain about low survivablility of stamlades because its your own choice to play like that

Cloak cost 3.3k last 2.9 seconds last if I get hit with an AoE

Shadow Image 3k last 22 only lets you teleport back for 17 seconds and it's only time, without LoS the debuff is gone.

Using the Dark Shades means you keep a 15% damage reduction debuff on them for 17 seconds no need to recast brogue that they can't purge the shades.

Mirage 3k magic last for 26 seconds 1k Armor and Spell Resistance buff plus 20% miss chance. On top of the 5k from Shadow Barrier.

Both last long and don't need to be recast back to back so I don't need much magic to keep them going.

Running away you burn magic and stamina trying to flee I know cause I have it's better to take 15% less damage while having 1k extra resistance and Shado Barrier's 5k and a 20% miss chance.

It's not like I don't try to stay alive but being able to stand and fight and being able to run are two different things.

Thats okay if you choose to play nb like that but survivability is not the same as tankyness. A nb is not made for in your face tanking except if you build her for that. A dk can do that even if you build for damage. But in the end the nb will have the same or better survivability due to her mobility and being able to vanish and escape the pressure for a few secons even if you go back in fight the dk has to face it the whole time and has no chance to escape.

Survivability in a fight is not about being Tanky it's about be able to live, having to run is not a fight.

I'm not talking about 1vX. But Nightblades can use the same buffs as Dragon Knights minor and major resistance buffs and resource sustainability. Dragons just have more power in a long fight and Nightblades have more end it now powers.

Did I say that its about running?
If you get pressure use the shadow immage you placed before cloak heal up an jump back in thats not running away thats the way nbs surviveability works. If you refuse to use it. Again: your own problem

Yes because they have abilities to withstand and heal throug massive pressure.
A nb deals with the situation by escaping it and going back in

Kutsuu · November 2015

Let's keep in mind that cloak has several hard counters which are commonly used in PVP. With cloak nullified it is indeed one of the least survivable classes. I'm not complaining about that because we get other tools and damage to compensate, but let's not pretend that they're near immortal just because of cloak.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Let's keep in mind that cloak has several hard counters which are commonly used in PVP. With cloak nullified it is indeed one of the least survivable classes. I'm not complaining about that because we get other tools and damage to compensate, but let's not pretend that they're near immortal just because of cloak.

People seem to forget about that. Yes they hit hard, and they have good mobility, but it's not without its weaknesses.