Why Can't You Escape With "Bolt Escape"?

Valrien · November 2015

Bolt Escape range: 4 Meters

Teleport Strike range: 22 Meters?!

Critical Charge range: 22 Meters?!

Shield Charge range: 22 Meters?!

So why is it that a Sorcerer can use Bolt Escape to move FOUR meters, when anyone with access to two out of three of these skills and nightblades who have access to all three can use this skill to catch up to said Sorcerer even after FIVE uses of bolt escape, which is pretty much all there is for most Sorcerers.

So let me propose this scenario:

Sorcerer is fighting. Fight looks bad for Sorcerer, so he tries to escape with Bolt Escape. He uses it 5 times and runs out of magicka, but it looks like he's far away. Opponent gap closes him and catches up. Sorcerer can't reshield because he's out of magicka, can't heal with any staff abilities for the same reason. Sorcerer immediately dies.

The range of these gap closers is completely ridiculous, and the range of Bolt Escape is laughable.

So either buff Bolt Escape, nerf gap closers, or at the very least change the name of the skill to where it's not misleading. I know that most Sorcerers use the Streak morph offensively more than defensively, but it's still complete crap that you can't escape with a skill that has ESCAPE in the name.

/endrant

SahrotRein · November 2015

I'm a Sorc myself and the only reason I see why it's made like this is that everything else that has 22m range is lock-on target while Bolt Escape is not and can be used any time.

However it is irritating when I Streak away only to get charged on from behind second later. Luckily I don't always have to use this ability defensively with my 72% spell critical

Forestd16b14_ESO · November 2015

You serious ?

FriedEggSandwich · November 2015

Streak into dodge-roll into streak, streak into dodge-roll into streak. No need to thank me.

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

4 meters? If that is what your tooltip says it is obviously trolling you. If that is what you are saying you are either trolling or exaggerating. It's actually gotta be at least 10-15 meters.

TheDarkShadow · November 2015

4m is probably the size of the AoE stun/damage of streak.

FriedEggSandwich · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

4 meters? If that is what your tooltip says it is obviously trolling you. If that is what you are saying you are either trolling or exaggerating. It's actually gotta be at least 10-15 meters.

I thought it was 8m but I just googled it and it's 15m lol. I guess the wide fov of 3rd person makes distances seem shorter. Makes sense if you actually look at the gaps you can jump with the skill.

Xendyn · November 2015

The 4 meters is the radius of the stun.
My streak will move me from the brazier I'm standing by to the curb of the well over across from me.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Yes because people were mad that Sorcerers could completely control when they wanted to fight by running 4m away.

Valen_Byte · November 2015

Its a 4m radius stun. The tooltip doesn't actually say how far it goes.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Its a 4m radius stun. The tooltip doesn't actually say how far it goes.

Why do you need more then 4m to Stun it's an escape making it easier to do is not enough.

Emma_Overload · November 2015

Regardless of the distance traveled, OP's point still stands: Bolt Escape isn't that great for actually escaping! Gap closers always have the advantage. I get better escapes out of Retreating Maneuver, believe it or not, because of the snare immunity and long lasting speed boost.

Sausage · November 2015

Same thing as why NBs cant hide with hiding skill. The reason why Escape Bolt was nerfed, as 2-3 sorc teleporter ganker could anything they wanted.

BalticBlues · November 2015

As a Templar snail I would trade ANYTHING (except Jabs and BOL) to have Bolt Escape!
We Templars cannot escape at all. No cloaking, no bolt escape, we are sitting ducks.

k2blader · November 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

As a Templar snail I would trade ANYTHING (except Jabs and BOL) to have Bolt Escape!
We Templars cannot escape at all. No cloaking, no bolt escape, we are sitting ducks.

Roll a sorc.

After you level up BE and begin to use it in PvP you will also begin to understand it's not a very good escape. My baby NB has much better escaping abilities.

Erudition · November 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Bolt Escape range: 4 Meters

Teleport Strike range: 22 Meters?!

Critical Charge range: 22 Meters?!

Shield Charge range: 22 Meters?!

So why is it that a Sorcerer can use Bolt Escape to move FOUR meters, when anyone with access to two out of three of these skills and nightblades who have access to all three can use this skill to catch up to said Sorcerer even after FIVE uses of bolt escape, which is pretty much all there is for most Sorcerers.

So let me propose this scenario:

Sorcerer is fighting. Fight looks bad for Sorcerer, so he tries to escape with Bolt Escape. He uses it 5 times and runs out of magicka, but it looks like he's far away. Opponent gap closes him and catches up. Sorcerer can't reshield because he's out of magicka, can't heal with any staff abilities for the same reason. Sorcerer immediately dies.

The range of these gap closers is completely ridiculous, and the range of Bolt Escape is laughable.

So either buff Bolt Escape, nerf gap closers, or at the very least change the name of the skill to where it's not misleading. I know that most Sorcerers use the Streak morph offensively more than defensively, but it's still complete crap that you can't escape with a skill that has ESCAPE in the name.

/endrant

Bolt escape is more than 4m. However you can be crit charged every time you try to escape by a good stam player - not sure about the others. Haven't experienced them.

Trihugger · November 2015

Ah this was a funny read. Thank you OP. 4 meters. Ah what'll they think of next.

Waffennacht · November 2015

I agree with the OP's sentiment. Bolt escape really doesn't ever escape. It's surprising to use it so many times, potion use it again many times and still have 3 enemies immediately hit you.

I find its most effect has mob control or revealing nbs.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2015

Ive been saying this for so long. All gap closers need to be like 10 meters. It stupid when im using a bow and i instantly get my advantage taken away from a gap closer. I can't even make any distance to have an advantage.

If gap closers were 10 meters, i could use magnum shot and back off my target and do damage. My target would then be forced to sprint to catch up or face my arrow's to the face. It should be a battle to stick to your target when against ranged. Not this inst gap close garbage we have now.

Well fitted may be a better trait since your forced to sprint to catch up to range opponents however that isnt the case with these gap closers.

This would also reduce Zerg's from bunny hoping to targets killing 1 by 1 once *** get's bad. You have time to retreat since there is a smaller radius where *** gets bad.

There is no line when i try to stay away from range. Once i see range i can gap close end of story. You should be worried when approaching many people since ranged could hit you and you cannot get to them.

Eso is literally Melee 2.0. Sorc's are the only ones who can effectively stay at range since they got mines people worry about.

REDUCE GAP CLOSER RANGE, this way people could actually use bow primary.

Alucardo · November 2015

The only real problem I have with bolt escape is that ridiculous ACME cartoon thing you do when you charge off a cliff, hang in the air, then drop down like an anvil

Van_0S · November 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Bolt Escape range: 4 Meters

Teleport Strike range: 22 Meters?!

Critical Charge range: 22 Meters?!

Shield Charge range: 22 Meters?!

So why is it that a Sorcerer can use Bolt Escape to move FOUR meters, when anyone with access to two out of three of these skills and nightblades who have access to all three can use this skill to catch up to said Sorcerer even after FIVE uses of bolt escape, which is pretty much all there is for most Sorcerers.

So let me propose this scenario:

Sorcerer is fighting. Fight looks bad for Sorcerer, so he tries to escape with Bolt Escape. He uses it 5 times and runs out of magicka, but it looks like he's far away. Opponent gap closes him and catches up. Sorcerer can't reshield because he's out of magicka, can't heal with any staff abilities for the same reason. Sorcerer immediately dies.

The range of these gap closers is completely ridiculous, and the range of Bolt Escape is laughable.

So either buff Bolt Escape, nerf gap closers, or at the very least change the name of the skill to where it's not misleading. I know that most Sorcerers use the Streak morph offensively more than defensively, but it's still complete crap that you can't escape with a skill that has ESCAPE in the name.

/endrant

Its simple, before the patch what sorc used to do is hit(ko) and run (Coward) tactics. The sorc where consider the OP class(even now there is hardly a difference).

So, there is a difference in ambush,critical charge and sheild charge because you are entering a crowd of zergs and getting killed less than 1sec but bolt escape is a different story because the sorc is a range DPS and when it starts to get rough the sorc uses their bolt(fart) escape and gain all their resources and strike again.(they can put stam DK to shame, in draining ememies resources)

Angarato · November 2015

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you sorcs crack me up. wow best scape ability in the damn game and still they cry, its unbelievable

NinjaMyk · November 2015

You can aim the bolt escape and it doesn't need a target to activate giving you more options. of course any player with a bit of experience will attempt to catch up to you using a gap closer but in practice if you time your escapes well and don't just keep mashing the button in a straight line you will make it very difficult for someone to catch you. Saying that a persistent player that really wants you dead and can keep you targeted may be able to perfectly time a crit rush between each of your bolts but if that's the case they deserve to catch you

Thalmor-Nordmaster · November 2015

I kinda like bolt escape. For example The other day I was in a group and fighting Nyzchaleft. All of a sudden to my Surprise !!!! Across the top of my screen It was a Kuta-Thon. 12 Kutas I had for sale started popping off. I love you MM.!! Well I needed to get to the bank and spend my money... But I was in a group. Quick Wrath think . Oh think of a plan .. Oh I got it I said to myself wait for Nyz to go into Spin Cycle. And zingers he did . Woot now is my chance. I used Bolt Escape right into that spin cycle and bammo I was dead. I revived at the Orsinium wayshrine and spent all that gold on really shiny stuff!!. Se B.E does have its uses.

raasdal · November 2015

Really? I am a Sorc, and even i will admit that Streak is OP for escaping almost anything. Yes you can gapclose. Of course you can. If streak was same range or more it would be so extremely OP, every topic in here would be about that. When i need to escape i combo boundless storm and streak. If i start escaping at 50% magicka, no one ever catches me. They would have to time their gapclosers so well, that they would deserve to get my kill.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

best mobilty spell in game not strong enough plz

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Are you serious?
Bold escape is the best escape in game, and unlike nb's cloak it cannot be neutralized by potions.

olsborg · November 2015

I believe the distance traveled by streaking is 10m per cast. But its true, bolt escape isnt an escape anymore.

Tankqull · November 2015

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Are you serious?
Bold escape is the best escape in game, and unlike nb's cloak it cannot be neutralized by potions.

cloak is 10 times more efficent than bolt escape.
the main problem beside gapclosers having nearly 2x the range, are BE´s problem with hightdifferences (cant bolt uphill at all) and the significant dropping time when traveling downhill + the exegerated drop dmg since 1.6 makes the travel possibilitys extreamly predictable (or as easy as possible to cover by a gapcloser). and the stupid inherent to every gapcloser halfsecond root+silence wich disables you entirely once you face 2 or more melee enemys.

all this led me to retire my sorc in favor of my NB.

[edit]
thats whats trying to escape with BE lookslike:
https://youtu.be/4j_b3FNg_-Y?t=7m30s

BalticBlues · November 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

As a Templar snail I would trade ANYTHING (except Jabs and BOL) to have Bolt Escape!
We Templars cannot escape at all. No cloaking, no bolt escape, we are sitting ducks.

k2blader wrote: »

Roll a sorc. After you level up BE and begin to use it in PvP you will also begin to understand it's not a very good escape.

I also have a Sorc. Bolt Escape for me is the BEST moveability in the game.
If I could pick just ONE skill from Sorcs for my sitting Templar duck, it would be Bolt Escape.

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Are you serious?
Bold escape is the best escape in game, and unlike nb's cloak it cannot be neutralized by potions.

cloak is 10 times more efficent than bolt escape.
the main problem beside gapclosers having nearly 2x the range, are BE´s problem with hightdifferences (cant bolt uphill at all) and the significant dropping time when traveling downhill + the exegerated drop dmg since 1.6 makes the travel possibilitys extreamly predictable (or as easy as possible to cover by a gapcloser). and the stupid inherent to every gapcloser halfsecond root+silence wich disables you entirely once you face 2 or more melee enemys.

all this led me to retire my sorc in favor of my NB.

Cloak has more counters than bolt escape. And it doesnt stun enemies/negate projectiles.
I also have nb and sorc, both magicka builds, and I think that sorc is stronger. I prefer nb too though, but only because I find it more versatile and fun to play in pve. If I wouldnt play pve, I would stick with a sorc.