Give me Majica Nb help

Millerman34n · November 2015

I have recently made a majica nb he is a dark elf, I know high elf is better. Please give me some constructive criticism.

Duel wield bar
1) dark cloak
2) lotus fan
3) vield strike
4) fear
5) sap essence
ultimate) Soal harvest

Restoration staff bar
1) dark cloak
2) Cripple
3) Shade
4) healing ward
5) harness majica/blessing/ vigor mabe?
Ultimate) Soal tether

Gear
Head torigs pact infused
Shoulder Malaga Kenna, soon to be divines
Shirt juliinos infused
Legs juliinos infused
Gloves juliinos divines
Belt juliinos divines
Boots juliinos divines
All light aurmor all max majica enchants.
Dual words torigs nurn
Resto torigs
3 willpower 2 healthy rings archane necklace. I'm currently going 1 regen 2 spell damage.

I run trystat Max food and I double bar cloak
Because it fits my aggressive playstyle.

please give me tips!

Tryxus · November 2015

Well, if it helps, here's what I'm running atm

Attributes:
64 Magicka

Mundus Stone:
Atronach

Gear:
5 pcs Julianos (Light armor, all Divines)
1 pc Molag Kena (Heavy Armor, Divines)
3 pcs Willpower (all 3 Spell Damage Enchants)
2-3 pcs Torug's Pact (Medium Gloves, Resto Staff & DW Swords, Nirnhoned, Absorb Magicka Enchants)

Skills:

Bar 1: Resto Staff
- Double Take
- Piercing Mark
- Siphoning Attacks/Harness Magicka
- Structured Entropy/Sap Essence
- Healing Ward

Ultimate: Devouring Swarm

Devouring Swarm + Sap Essence spam is my anti-zerg move: I usually die, but with proper backup and a good counterattack from fellow players, zergs are gonna regret coming near you. Sap can be replaced with Structured Entropy.

Piercing Mark vs enemy NB, Double Take to boost Evasion and Siphoning Attacks when you run out of Magicka or Harness Magicka for the same purpose (this is an offensive build with less sustain, Siphoning/Harness is a must).

Bar 2:
- Dark Cloak
- Concealed Weapon
- Lotus Fan
- Impale
- Mass Hysteria

Ultimate: Soul Harvest

Pretty straightforward here: Cloak, then stun with Concealed. Drop a Soul Harvest next and finish off with Impale. Use extra Concealed if needed

Lotus Fan is your main gap closer, and use Mass Hysteria when surrounded followed by a Cloak to escape tricky situations. Mass Hysteria can be used 1vs1 too for a chance to hit with extra Concealed too.

Champion Points:

Warrior:
Lady: Hardy

Thief:
Tower: Magician
Lover: Arcanist

Mage:
Apprentice: Elfborn/Spell Erosion (30 points here for Spell Crit passive)
Ritual: Thaumaturge (every other Mage Point goes here, if you have 100 Thaumaturge then go back to Apprentice)

It's a pretty powerful offensive build, made for assassinating (ganking) or 1vs1 (honorable). However, the Magicka Regen is a bit low, so don't draw out a fight against a single opponent or you'll run out of Magicka. 1vsX isn't recommended either unless you make good use of your Cloak and potions

LegacyDM · November 2015

Why agony? That skill is terrible. Swap it for structuree entropy for 20% damage increase or refreshing paths for the heals. Also since you went dark elf, vamp is an option. Swap out soul tether and use devouring swarm to get the 10% regen. You may have an issue with magicka sustainment. Only one regen item and using julianos. Consider kragranocs hope. You lose 75 spell power and some crit but gain health, magicka regen, and resurrect decrease. You can make up the crit using thief Mundas and you should be near 50% anyways.

Titan1373 · November 2015

DW
Cloak
Lotus Fan
Concealed Weapon
Mass Hysteria
Piercing Mark
Dawnbreaker/soul harvest

Resto
Healing ward
Merciless Resolve
Structured Entropy
Proximity Detination
Funnel health
Devouring Swarm

Works for me. Let's me range or melee DPS. Use light resto attacks clipped with funnel for range. After four, you get assasin's will, which hits hard. Other than that it's a standard NB build. Usually people go all melee or all range but I like both.

To be fair I do play around with it a lot but this is my most consistent loadout. I will swap Mark for Sap or Harness Magicka and will swap out Dawnbreaker/Soul for Ice Comet.

Millerman34n · November 2015

Agony is like a 12k dot not the shity snare ik ur thinking of the wrong ability.

Titan1373 · November 2015

Millerman34n wrote: »

Agony is like a 12k dot not the shity snare ik ur thinking of the wrong ability.

No the 12k dot is crippling grasp. Agony is a pure snare.

tonemd · November 2015

So is it not a good idea for magicka NB to use siphoning skills on their attack bars? (Funnel, Sap)

Even when I go Redgaurd magicka nb my funnel health does pretty good single target damage.

Also, Prolonged suffering is a stun and a dot

Reeko · November 2015

Millerman34n wrote: »

I have recently made a majica nb he is a dark elf, I know high elf is better. Please give me some constructive criticism.

Duel wield bar
1) dark cloak
2) lotus fan
3) vield strike
4) fear
5) sap essence
ultimate) Soal harvest

Restoration staff bar
1) dark cloak
2) Agony
3) Shade
4) healing ward
5) harness majica/blessing/ vigor mabe?
Ultimate) Soal tether

Gear
Head torigs pact infused
Shoulder Malaga Kenna, soon to be divines
Shirt juliinos infused
Legs juliinos infused
Gloves juliinos divines
Belt juliinos divines
Boots juliinos divines
All light aurmor all max majica enchants.
Dual words torigs nurn
Resto torigs
3 willpower 2 healthy rings archane necklace. I'm currently going 1 regen 2 spell damage.

I run trystat Max food and I double bar cloak
Because it fits my aggressive playstyle.

please give me tips!

For your resto bar i run:
Double Take
Healing Ward
Piercing Mark
Mass Hysteria
Shadow Image/Purge/Prox det.

Ultimate: Soul Tether

You don't really need cloak on both bars.

WRX · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Well, if it helps, here's what I'm running atm

Attributes:
64 Magicka

Mundus Stone:
Atronach

Gear:
5 pcs Julianos (Light armor, all Divines)
1 pc Molag Kena (Heavy Armor, Divines)
3 pcs Willpower (all 3 Spell Damage Enchants)
2-3 pcs Torug's Pact (Medium Gloves, Resto Staff & DW Swords, Nirnhoned, Absorb Magicka Enchants)

Skills:

Bar 1: Resto Staff
- Double Take
- Piercing Mark
- Siphoning Attacks/Harness Magicka
- Structured Entropy/Sap Essence
- Healing Ward

Ultimate: Devouring Swarm

Devouring Swarm + Sap Essence spam is my anti-zerg move: I usually die, but with proper backup and a good counterattack from fellow players, zergs are gonna regret coming near you. Sap can be replaced with Structured Entropy.

Piercing Mark vs enemy NB, Double Take to boost Evasion and Siphoning Attacks when you run out of Magicka or Harness Magicka for the same purpose (this is an offensive build with less sustain, Siphoning/Harness is a must).

Bar 2:
- Dark Cloak
- Concealed Weapon
- Lotus Fan
- Impale
- Mass Hysteria

Ultimate: Soul Harvest

Pretty straightforward here: Cloak, then stun with Concealed. Drop a Soul Harvest next and finish off with Impale. Use extra Concealed if needed

Lotus Fan is your main gap closer, and use Mass Hysteria when surrounded followed by a Cloak to escape tricky situations. Mass Hysteria can be used 1vs1 too for a chance to hit with extra Concealed too.

Champion Points:

Warrior:
Lady: Hardy

Thief:
Tower: Magician
Lover: Arcanist

Mage:
Apprentice: Elfborn/Spell Erosion (30 points here for Spell Crit passive)
Ritual: Thaumaturge (every other Mage Point goes here, if you have 100 Thaumaturge then go back to Apprentice)

It's a pretty powerful offensive build, made for assassinating (ganking) or 1vs1 (honorable). However, the Magicka Regen is a bit low, so don't draw out a fight against a single opponent or you'll run out of Magicka. 1vsX isn't recommended either unless you make good use of your Cloak and potions

@Tryxus

Hey, curious on some of your numbers w/o any buffs aside from entropy (or a skill like it)

If you don't mind, what is your proxy, sap, and impulse values? Just curious, thinking of making a NB but dont know if I want to go mp with high elf or stam with woodelf.

EDIT: Bats value would be fine too, just want a bench mark to compare with my wizard.

Tryxus · November 2015

Using Entropy on DW bar (food buff active, stats at 35255 Mag, 19799 HP (Outside Cyro) and 14301 Stam)

Sap Essence: Damage = 6546; Cost = 2279 (gives 20% Spell Power too like Entropy)
Pulsar: Damage = 4409; Cost = 2279
Devouring Swarm: Damage = 5460; Health Siphoned = 3210
Magicka Detonation (don't have it yet, Rank 5 on this char): Damage = 15482; Cost = 2848

I don't use Pulsar anyway, Sap Essence heals you, has better effects and does more damage for the same cost.

I'm eagerly awaiting to unlock Proxy Deto. Just thinking about it excites me: using Proxy + Camo Hunter, going cloak, Concealed Weapon, Soul Harvest, Deto explodes hopefully at the right time,...

-drools-

Dositheus · November 2015

Agony is definitely good. I use it on my magika nb all the time. Ranged stun that turns into a 10k dot after it's stam broken, not bad. Great for grabbing escapers, or hitting someone mid crit rush with. Knocks them out of the rush and they sit there giving you a moment to line up your next attack. It doesn't hit quite as hard as cripple, but the stun is great. You can also troll people by constantly using it on them from stealth.

Junkogen · November 2015

Is it true that Lotus fan doesn't provide the burst damage that teleport strike and Ambush do?

Brrrofski · November 2015

Mine's level 16 and I have pretty much worked out what I'll run at 16 lol

5 julianos
3 arch mage
3 willpower

Bar 1 - Destro
Dark cloak
Impale
Concealed weapon
Swallow soul (ridiculous weave with staff)
Lotus fan
Soul harvest

Bar 2 - resto
Structured entropy
Mass hysteria
Shade/crippling grasp/grim focus
Double take
Healing Ward/rapid regeneration/combat prayer
Clouding swarm.

Not totally sure on two slots. Also, which Nat for which ultimate. Swarm on front bar for the regen, or soul harvest for ulti gain.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · November 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

Is it true that Lotus fan doesn't provide the burst damage that teleport strike and Ambush do?

Doesn't hit as hard has a dot and snare instead of raw damage.

blur · November 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Why agony? That skill is terrible. .

This could not be further from the truth.
Agony is an amazing skill. It's an instant cast with a huge range that has a hella long CC for those who don't have the stam to break. It is also good for blockers. Whether or not it fits into someone's build is something else. But calling this skill terrible, no, not at all.

LegacyDM · November 2015

blur wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Why agony? That skill is terrible. .

This could not be further from the truth.
Agony is an amazing skill. It's an instant cast with a huge range that has a hella long CC for those who don't have the stam to break. It is also good for blockers. Whether or not it fits into someone's build is something else. But calling this skill terrible, no, not at all.

Your losing dps. It provide player immunity. That's one less skill your casting and slotting on your bar while someone is immune... If your in a group and your partner ccs your opponent it's a wasted skill slot. If you try casting it and the player has immunity youve just wasted your time casting it and no damage was inflicted. There are much better options for his build. If you want a dot yr better off going with cripple. Does more damage and isn't limited to being situational.

blur · November 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

blur wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Why agony? That skill is terrible. .

This could not be further from the truth.
Agony is an amazing skill. It's an instant cast with a huge range that has a hella long CC for those who don't have the stam to break. It is also good for blockers. Whether or not it fits into someone's build is something else. But calling this skill terrible, no, not at all.

Your losing dps. It provide player immunity. That's one less skill your casting and slotting on your bar while someone is immune... If your in a group and your partner ccs your opponent it's a wasted skill slot. If you try casting it and the player has immunity youve just wasted your time casting it and no damage was inflicted. There are much better options for his build. If you want a dot yr better off going with cripple. Does more damage and isn't limited to being situational.

Oh ***, for some reason I was thinking Crippling Grasp, yeah, Agony sucks, you can infinitely break it and stay high stam. CG though is amazing. I always swap those 2 skill names around ;/

Lexxypwns · November 2015

idk if it has been said, but there is absolutely 0 reason to run cloak on both bars, if you want to be good at pvp you're just gonna have to get used to bar switching

And also, merciless resolve is pretty crucial to a magika NB, if you want to be able to kill good mag sorcs you're gonna need something that hits hard and its the magblade's strongest burst, plus its a flat 8% damage boost on a decently long buff

I personally run

5 kags (the mag regen is more important than the 70 spell dam you gain from julianos and spell crit is garbage in pvp, also the HP is actually valuable for magblades since it is just another way to make those healing wards stronger)
3 willpower
3 Archmage
1 Kena (just got it today!)

dw bar
funnel, sap, concealed, lotus fan, merciless resolve dawnbreaker

resto bar
healing ward, fear, double take, cleanse, piercing mark(or cripple or prox det) meteor

Funnel is free dps and hits ever so slightly less hard than concealed weapon while also giving you a solid heal, I use it to keep pressure up on ranged opponents

I personally love meteor on a magika nightblade, the meteor - fear combo is just so nasty and works MOST of the time, even when I'm fighting good players

maxjapank · November 2015

Lexxypwns wrote: »

idk if it has been said, but there is absolutely 0 reason to run cloak on both bars, if you want to be good at pvp you're just gonna have to get used to bar switching

True. But playing with a latency of 300+ makes swapping weapons unreliable at times. That's why some choose Cloak on both bars, the same as Templars often run Breath of Life on both bars.

Lexxypwns · November 2015

maxjapank wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

idk if it has been said, but there is absolutely 0 reason to run cloak on both bars, if you want to be good at pvp you're just gonna have to get used to bar switching

True. But playing with a latency of 300+ makes swapping weapons unreliable at times. That's why some choose Cloak on both bars, the same as Templars often run Breath of Life on both bars.

@ZOS this is pitiful, don't you think?

Dakrana_Thrazvoth · November 2015

Millerman34n wrote: »

I have recently made a majica nb he is a dark elf, I know high elf is better. Please give me some constructive criticism.

Duel wield bar
1) dark cloak
2) lotus fan
3) vield strike
4) fear
5) sap essence
ultimate) Soal harvest

Restoration staff bar
1) dark cloak
2) Agony
3) Shade
4) healing ward
5) harness majica/blessing/ vigor mabe?
Ultimate) Soal tether

Gear
Head torigs pact infused
Shoulder Malaga Kenna, soon to be divines
Shirt juliinos infused
Legs juliinos infused
Gloves juliinos divines
Belt juliinos divines
Boots juliinos divines
All light aurmor all max majica enchants.
Dual words torigs nurn
Resto torigs
3 willpower 2 healthy rings archane necklace. I'm currently going 1 regen 2 spell damage.

I run trystat Max food and I double bar cloak
Because it fits my aggressive playstyle.

please give me tips!

The problem with julianos set is you don't have magicka recovery. This set is very efficient for pve, imo.

For your gear I recommand
(the advantage is only craftable sets, you don't need any monsters sets)

- 5 willow's path

hat, infused, max magicka, light armor
epaulets, divines, max magicka, light armor
gloves, divines, max magicka, light armor
breeches, infused, max magicka, light armor
boots, divines, max magicka, medium armor

- 4 Magnus

Cuirass, infused, max magicka, heavy armor
sash, divines, max magicka, light armor
2 swords nirnhoned trait, enchants : one disease and one prismatic enchant
Resto staff, defending trait, absorb magicka enchant.

- 3 willpower (arcane)
necklace spell damages enchant,
2 rings with magicka recovery enchant (or 1 on spell damages depends of what you want, more sustain or spell damages)

Jade1986 · November 2015

: sigh : just what we need, MORE nightblades.....