These two ultimate need to cause physical damage

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Currently all but one class ultimate causes either magical or elemental damage. This really shafts the damage of stamina builds since we invest our champion points into mighty so I think these two ultimate need to have their damage type switched to physical:

1) Radial Sweep
2) Death Stroke

Why these two? Because the animations for these two ultimates already look like they cause physical damage so it's a rational change. Can't really justify ultimates such as Overload causing physical damage lol.

Tryxus · November 2015

Death Stroke is 2 Magicka (Laser) Blades = Magicka Damage

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Death Stroke is 2 Magicka (Laser) Blades = Magicka Damage

Sounds more like slashing than cauterizing to me :-)

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Tomato · November 2015

Just no

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Tomato wrote: »

Just no

Why? I wonder what the game would be like if every ultimate caused physical damage? Wouldn't be fair would it? Welcome to the world of stamina users.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

Except they're not.

how are stamblades not op?

Because they're not. They have good mobility, and great damage output; however their survivability is subpar, and because of this a lot of them rely of ganking. A very weak play style, and if you have a cloak counter on your loadout; they're easy AP. Nightblades are literally the easiest class to kill for me. They're balanced because their survivability naturally sucks; however that's the trade off to having great damage output.

Alucardo · November 2015

Death Stroke does a lot of damage and puts some nice debuffs on the target, all for a low cost of 50 ultimate. If this were changed to physical damage, everyone who didn't play a stamina nightblade would quit the game, probably.

So nah.

Tryxus · November 2015

Don't all class skills cost Magicka and do Magic Damage? (except the Stamina Morphs ofc)

So if any Ultimates should do Physical Damage, Weapon Ultimates perhaps? And maybe Dawnbreaker too? (FG skills should do Physical Damage too, since they're fighters, not mages)

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Death Stroke does a lot of damage and puts some nice debuffs on the target, all for a low cost of 50 ultimate. If this were changed to physical damage, everyone who didn't play a stamina nightblade would quit the game, probably.

So nah.

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it. If all the magicka Nightblades quit because that, then that's good. This game doesn't needs toddlers in it.

Jhunn · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it.

Whut

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Don't all class skills cost Magicka and do Magic Damage? (except the Stamina Morphs ofc)

So if any Ultimates should do Physical Damage, Weapon Ultimates perhaps? And maybe Dawnbreaker too? (FG skills should do Physical Damage too, since they're fighters, not mages)

There's another comedic fact. All of the fighters guild ability cost stamina, and the ultimate still causes magical damage lol. To be honest though, Dawnbreaker does not look like it causes physical damage; unlike the two I mentioned.

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Don't all class skills cost Magicka and do Magic Damage? (except the Stamina Morphs ofc)

So if any Ultimates should do Physical Damage, Weapon Ultimates perhaps? And maybe Dawnbreaker too? (FG skills should do Physical Damage too, since they're fighters, not mages)

Could have fooled me, the head guys seem to be better at magic than the mages guild.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

Jhunn wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it.

Whut

Oops I should have clarified. Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage for stamina users

There, that's better.

Tryxus · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it.

Whut

Oops I should have clarified. Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage for stamina users

There, that's better.

True dat (16k on Tryx

)

Tryxus · November 2015

But yeah, this game could use a few Physical Ultimates, but not from the class skills:

Magicka Users have 3 Class Skills & 2 Weapons Skills
Stamina Users have Class Skill Morphs & 4 Weapon Skills

If Zos would kindly keep Mages Guild Skills Magicka Based while turning the Fighter's Guild skills to do Physical Damage and adding Weapon Ultimates that do Physical damage too....

That'd be nice

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Jhunn wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it.

Whut

Death Storke is a Single Target Ultimate that does 5-7k damage in PvP I use it for the the stun. For just three times the cost you can get 10k more damage, a heal, and stun six times as many people.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

Alucardo wrote: »

Death Stroke does a lot of damage and puts some nice debuffs on the target, all for a low cost of 50 ultimate. If this were changed to physical damage, everyone who didn't play a stamina nightblade would quit the game, probably.

So nah.

Same damage as Suprise Attack and is used for the effects not the damage unlike Soul Tether 3x the cost 2.5x the damage, stuns 6x the people and heals.

Death Stroke is not that good TBH I use it as an opener or for the stun.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Death Stroke is 2 Magicka (Laser) Blades = Magicka Damage

Suprise Attack is one of those Laser Blades it cost Stamina and does Physical Damage.

MisterBigglesworth · November 2015

Just make it so every ability's damage scales off whatever your highest stat is.
If the Stamina-based is scaling is too high, then just change how it scales.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If deathstroke did physical damage it would make stamblades even more op

So tried of hearing this with so many people spamming Wrecking Blow how can you just call out Nightblades. We don't have passives to buff weapon damage so that Nightblades Damage crit build would do the same damage on any class.

WB is so easy to counter and idk what wb has to do with stamblades being op?
I just dont want to be hit by an almost spammable ultimade for each 10k+ in pvp while they already have the strongest spammable single target attack ingame

btw I have a stamblade myself

Then you should know that we win by being up in your face and not backing down I have killed newbies and oldies with my Stamina Dragon Knight it's all about your build.

Suprise Attack is great but it's not the is all be all cutting DPS and Heals in half made all but the hardest hitting attacks and better heals sucks.

Jura23 · November 2015

I think it is good idea regarding Radial Sweep.Would finally give this ability some edge over Dawnbreaker.

Alucardo · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it. If all the magicka Nightblades quit because that, then that's good. This game doesn't needs toddlers in it.

It's possible to pull 10-12k out of Soul Harvest on a stamblade. I'd hate to see that magnified even more on an ability that costs only 50 ultimate, debuffs you, works extremely well with animation cancelling (good nightblades you won't even see them cast it), and has the ability to generate even more ultimate.
It's dangerous enough as it is.

Alucardo · November 2015

Don't get me wrong though, we still need more physical damage ultimates. Hate having to put points in thaumaturge just to amp my ultimate damage.

Ernest145 · November 2015

No it should do magic damage because maj nightblades still do less damage than stamina night blades. Stamina night blades are already the top or second top class/spec and they do more than enough damage.

Jhunn · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Death Storke is a Single Target Ultimate that does 5-7k damage in PvP I use it for the the stun. For just three times the cost you can get 10k more damage, a heal, and stun six times as many people.

5-7k? Where are you playing? PS4?

Alcast · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Currently all but one class ultimate causes either magical or elemental damage. This really shafts the damage of stamina builds since we invest our champion points into mighty so I think these two ultimate need to have their damage type switched to physical:

1) Radial Sweep
2) Death Stroke

Why these two? Because the animations for these two ultimates already look like they cause physical damage so it's a rational change. Can't really justify ultimates such as Overload causing physical damage lol.

All ultis (except dragon leap) use elemental/magic damage and ONLY work with spell penentration. I made a topic about that in every major update and ZOS simply does not care.

Draxys · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Death Stroke does a lot of damage and puts some nice debuffs on the target, all for a low cost of 50 ultimate. If this were changed to physical damage, everyone who didn't play a stamina nightblade would quit the game, probably.

So nah.

Okay for one Death Stroke does not cause a lot of damage. This move is only used for the buffs and debuffs granted from it. If all the magicka Nightblades quit because that, then that's good. This game doesn't needs toddlers in it.

looooool

SemiD4rkness · November 2015

Remove stam morphs from the game and 2h 1h 2w and bow too. Magicka scrolls online.