Why dual wield over sword and board for magicka?

Junkogen · November 2015

So would you take all the dual wield passives or just the last one?

pronkg wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS logic: What makes better for magic users? 2 metal swords.

There is logic behind this.

The logic is they want users to be able to use more weapons to vary their builds. The reason close range weapons provide the most spell damage is because you're at disadvantage cause you can't use light and heavy attacks from range causing you not to load any ult regeneration. So typically magicka builds use dual swords on their back bar for finishing skills or for example Overload on sorcs. Using it as main weapon is not viable as dps.

As for having no stats on consoles. Zenimax stated they are working on combat text, so be patient. Increasing spell damage and magicka does show on the tooltip of all your skills that are affected. You can see it change. However your crit damage/ spell penetration etc these numbers you'll
Never see without addons.

As for any magicka user I would say getting between 3 and 4 k spell damage while having between 40 and 50k magicka is close to a maxed out build.

How do you hit those numbers?

pronkg · November 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

So would you take all the dual wield passives or just the last one?

pronkg wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS logic: What makes better for magic users? 2 metal swords.

There is logic behind this.

The logic is they want users to be able to use more weapons to vary their builds. The reason close range weapons provide the most spell damage is because you're at disadvantage cause you can't use light and heavy attacks from range causing you not to load any ult regeneration. So typically magicka builds use dual swords on their back bar for finishing skills or for example Overload on sorcs. Using it as main weapon is not viable as dps.

As for having no stats on consoles. Zenimax stated they are working on combat text, so be patient. Increasing spell damage and magicka does show on the tooltip of all your skills that are affected. You can see it change. However your crit damage/ spell penetration etc these numbers you'll
Never see without addons.

As for any magicka user I would say getting between 3 and 4 k spell damage while having between 40 and 50k magicka is close to a maxed out build.

How do you hit those numbers?

Just the last one is fine.

V16 legendary gear
Willpower set with spell dmg enchants

zornyan · November 2015

It's easier with a sorc as they a % boost to spell damage, for instance my templar would have 3900 instead of 3500 spell power if he was merely a sorc and had a few skills slotted

TheHereticMonk · November 2015

@Waffennacht
So 10.1 magicka translates to 1 spell damage, however this is not reflected in the character sheet right? As example if I increase my magicka by 1010 the character sheet would not show spell damage increase of 100?

Just to be sure. It's not that it would not show an increase. It's that there is no increase.

1 spell damage is equivalent to 10.1 magicka, i.e. they cause the offensive damage of any spell to raise by the same value.
They have zero impact on each other i.e.increasing magicka will not increase spell damage and vice versa.

umm... and how do you properly quote. ESO's the first game that made me want to post on forums.

Waffennacht · November 2015

I understand, @TheHereticMonk

So my question becomes: for either 10.1 magicka or 1 spell damage, how much does the actual damage from an ability increase? (Im going to assume it may be different for each ability at which point how could I find such information?)

zornyan · November 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

I understand, @TheHereticMonk

So my question becomes: for either 10.1 magicka or 1 spell damage, how much does the actual damage from an ability increase? (Im going to assume it may be different for each ability at which point how could I find such information?)

It's different for each ability.

For instance hardened ward scales completly off of magicka and doesn't calculate spell damage.

Puncturing sweeps scales more with magicka than spell damage.

Biting jabs scales more with weapon damage than stamina

Brrrofski · November 2015

I rock both in pvp

Drop sword and board for resto in dungeons

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

pronkg wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Why? It seems like sword and shield would offer more utility. What's the advantage of dual wield for a magicka user?

With my destruction staff I have roughly 3200 spell damage. With dual swords it's about 3850.

Again you can choose for sword and board for utility. I've used that in pvp allot and has some perks.

If you light attack weave you would be more damage as well as heavy for magic back.

Just putting that out there.

Waffennacht · November 2015

@zornyan is there somewhere where I could find out the specifics for each ability?

I mean I really like my rotation and would like to maximize each ability I use

Lol I keep gettin grief over my build on show me your sorc !

zornyan · November 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

@zornyan is there somewhere where I could find out the specifics for each ability?

I mean I really like my rotation and would like to maximize each ability I use

Lol I keep gettin grief over my build on show me your sorc !

The only place I've seen info is from tamrial foundry.

What you could do is

Add 10 spellpower read tooltip value

Add 110 magicka read tooltip value

Compare differences in tooltip boost

TheHereticMonk · November 2015

@Waffennacht I've found the "ESO Skills" and "ESO toolkit" apps indespensible for planning my build and understanding my skills.
They're both free on the Google Play store.