Why aren't there many ultimates that cause physical damage?

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

As it currently stands, magicka users have a huge advantage when it comes to Ultimates since Thaumaturge increases magic damage; which almost every ultimate in this game causes. Now to be fair I can see why since the majority of the Ultimates in this game look like magical attacks; however I don't see why Death Stroke causes magical damage rather than physical. You have to be in your opponent's face to use it, and the animation is you taking out two swords and slashing someone with them. I would like to see this Ultimate cause physical damage in the future, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this one.

Volkodav · November 2015

My DK's Ultimate,the Standard does a whole lot of damage.If it wasnt for that skill,Id get sunk every time I went after a boss.

ColoursYouHave · November 2015

I'd really like to see weapon ultimates. This would allow stam users to get their CP bonuses with ultimates, and give more variety in ultimate choices.

arcantonias · November 2015

Im glad there arent more physical damage ultimates in game because stam builds would be even more ahead of magicka builds in pvp. There are many ways to mitigate magic damage from skills and cp tree as well. There are almost no comparative things to mitigate physical damage. The We Are Eso podcast on youtube explains why stamina builds are so far ahead in pvp at the moment due to these reasons, wrecking blow and surprised attack arent even ultimates but everyone knows how broken they are.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

Im glad there arent more physical damage ultimates in game because stam builds would be even more ahead of magicka builds in pvp. There are many ways to mitigate magic damage from skills and cp tree as well. There are almost no comparative things to mitigate physical damage.

I don't even wanna hear it. Magicka builds have so many advantages over stamina it's disgusting. I do agree with you when it comes to the champion system passives though. It is more anti-magic than it is anti-physical, but I think it's better this way considering bosses/players that do physical damage are typically in your face making it easier to identify when to block vs the range bosses/players than can spam their attacks at a safe distance.

All in all I believe that magicka vs stamina builds are pretty balanced for the most part in PvP with the exception of magicka sorcs, but when it comes to PvE magicka builds are still stronger than stamina.

MrDerrikk · November 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

My DK's Ultimate,the Standard does a whole lot of damage.If it wasnt for that skill,Id get sunk every time I went after a boss.

I can take down a Dolmen General in 10 secs flat at level thanks to this skill; otherwise it'd take 5 mins of tagging with a DOT and running away...

arcantonias · November 2015

the 120 points passive in the lady makes stamina builds very strong in pvp along with the ele def and hardy bonuses. the 120 point passive in the ritual is also very strong and magicka builds have nothing in the whole champion tree that strong to fight against stamina builds. Arcane well doesnt proc unless your target is dead and spell absorbtion only works on spell damage

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

the 120 points passive in the lady makes stamina builds very strong in pvp along with the ele def and hardy bonuses. the 120 point passive in the ritual is also very strong and magicka builds have nothing in the whole champion tree that strong to fight against stamina builds. Arcane well doesnt proc unless your target is dead and spell absorbtion only works on spell damage

Popping a potion with Foresight does the same thing as unchained except you don't need to consume your resources to use it.

J2JMC · November 2015

Magicka builds are superior in 95 percent of the game but stamina is somehow OP.

MrDerrikk · November 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Magicka builds are superior in 95 percent of the game but stamina is somehow OP.

Stamina is OP in how fun the characters are to play; it gets boring being a shield-stacking Sorc and knowing that you can face-roll everything that can't take down your shields fast enough, and are probably dead of they can. Wheras stamina takes a bit more skill and such to play, hence why I switched my Sorc to stamina

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

MrDerrikk wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Magicka builds are superior in 95 percent of the game but stamina is somehow OP.

Stamina is OP in how fun the characters are to play; it gets boring being a shield-stacking Sorc and knowing that you can face-roll everything that can't take down your shields fast enough, and are probably dead of they can. Wheras stamina takes a bit more skill and such to play, hence why I switched my Sorc to stamina

Yeah it's even more challenging now that they gave dodge rolling a cool down.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Magicka builds are superior in 95 percent of the game but stamina is somehow OP.

Stamina is OP in how fun the characters are to play; it gets boring being a shield-stacking Sorc and knowing that you can face-roll everything that can't take down your shields fast enough, and are probably dead of they can. Wheras stamina takes a bit more skill and such to play, hence why I switched my Sorc to stamina

Yeah it's even more challenging now that they gave dodge rolling a cool down.

don't forget Blocking.. you don't need to Block when using magical shields..

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Magicka builds are superior in 95 percent of the game but stamina is somehow OP.

Stamina is OP in how fun the characters are to play; it gets boring being a shield-stacking Sorc and knowing that you can face-roll everything that can't take down your shields fast enough, and are probably dead of they can. Wheras stamina takes a bit more skill and such to play, hence why I switched my Sorc to stamina

Yeah it's even more challenging now that they gave dodge rolling a cool down.

don't forget Blocking.. you don't need to Block when using magical shields..

Touche

arcantonias · November 2015

you can only gain the benefits of foresight every 45 seconds while stam builds can benefit from unchained every 6 seconds? Foresight only works on the next magicka costing skill that is cast while unchained works on any stamina skills cast for 3 seconds? I mean you obviously play a nightblade with your mention to death stroke, nightblades get the best stamina morphs out of all the classes in the game.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

you can only gain the benefits of foresight every 45 seconds while stam builds can benefit from unchained every 6 seconds? Foresight only works on the next magicka costing skill that is cast while unchained works on any stamina skills cast for 3 seconds? I mean you obviously play a nightblade with your mention to death stroke, nightblades get the best stamina morphs out of all the classes in the game.

If I'm using unchained every 6 seconds, pretty sure my resources are screwed. And Biting Jabs is a very strong competitor for best stamina morph: strong single target, AoE, CC and it increases your crit by 20% all in one.

Forestd16b14_ESO · November 2015

Cause ZOS hate anything non-magical

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

you can only gain the benefits of foresight every 45 seconds while stam builds can benefit from unchained every 6 seconds? Foresight only works on the next magicka costing skill that is cast while unchained works on any stamina skills cast for 3 seconds? I mean you obviously play a nightblade with your mention to death stroke, nightblades get the best stamina morphs out of all the classes in the game.

Unchained Rank 120 Reduces the stamina cost of abilities by 80% for 3 seconds after breaking free of a stun, knockdown, fear, disorient or stagger.

Foresight Rank 75 Reduces the Magicka cost of your next spell by 80% after you drink a potion.

Unchained requires this "after breaking free of a stun, knockdown, fear, disorient or stagger."

Foresight requires you to Wait, What??? "after you drink a potion."

Oh come on really

arcantonias · November 2015

you can hardly call biting jabs a cc, its so easy to get out of the way too. on the other hand nightblade gets a gap closer with a stamina morph that teleports through just about anything, immobilizes without granting cc immunity and empowers their next attack. they also get a spammer that buffs their armor, debuffs their opponent and can be used as a hard cc out of stealth with an actual stun duration. they also get a stamina execute and a stamina ultimate, what more can you ask for? also if you are fighting any decent player 1v1 you will get hard cced when your immunity comes off cooldown. unchained is there to help you manage your resources

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · November 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

arcantonias wrote: »

you can only gain the benefits of foresight every 45 seconds while stam builds can benefit from unchained every 6 seconds? Foresight only works on the next magicka costing skill that is cast while unchained works on any stamina skills cast for 3 seconds? I mean you obviously play a nightblade with your mention to death stroke, nightblades get the best stamina morphs out of all the classes in the game.

If I'm using unchained every 6 seconds, pretty sure my resources are screwed. And Biting Jabs is a very strong competitor for best stamina morph: strong single target, AoE, CC and it increases your crit by 20% all in one.

But it still only does Magicka damage.........

found1779 · November 2015

Number 1 ultimate that uses physical damage is werewolf

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

arcantonias wrote: »

you can only gain the benefits of foresight every 45 seconds while stam builds can benefit from unchained every 6 seconds? Foresight only works on the next magicka costing skill that is cast while unchained works on any stamina skills cast for 3 seconds? I mean you obviously play a nightblade with your mention to death stroke, nightblades get the best stamina morphs out of all the classes in the game.

If I'm using unchained every 6 seconds, pretty sure my resources are screwed. And Biting Jabs is a very strong competitor for best stamina morph: strong single target, AoE, CC and it increases your crit by 20% all in one.

But it still only does Magicka damage.........

Not Biting Jabs, that's a stamina morph.

arcantonias · November 2015

i dont see how you think foresight is better then unchained, go watch the we are eso podcasts where they explain in depth why stamina builds are broken in pvp because obviously im not being specific enough. those guys have played since beta and play mostly small scale pvp so I think they would know what they are talking about since the devs watch their podcast and are taking notes about changes to make in game.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

you can hardly call biting jabs a cc, its so easy to get out of the way too. on the other hand nightblade gets a gap closer with a stamina morph that teleports through just about anything, immobilizes without granting cc immunity and empowers their next attack. they also get a spammer that buffs their armor, debuffs their opponent and can be used as a hard cc out of stealth with an actual stun duration. they also get a stamina execute and a stamina ultimate, what more can you ask for? also if you are fighting any decent player 1v1 you will get hard cced when your immunity comes off cooldown. unchained is there to help you manage your resources

I'm not belittling Surprise Attack, it's an excellent move but I would say Biting Jabs is comparable. Ambush is an excellent move, but it's more expensive, and does less damage than Critical Rush. The only reason I use it is because of it's utility, and there's no such thing as a stamina ultimate.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

i dont see how you think foresight is better then unchained, go watch the we are eso podcasts where they explain in depth why stamina builds are broken in pvp because obviously im not being specific enough. those guys have played since beta and play mostly small scale pvp so I think they would know what they are talking about since the devs watch their podcast and are taking notes about changes to make in game.

It's better due to how neccessary it is for stam builds. Foresight isn't needed for magicka builds because they don't need stamina to do damage. Foresight is essentially a free gift for magicka builds. I have also played this game since PC beta, and I also do excell in small scale PvP, and quite frankly I don't view their opinions any higher than my own.

arcantonias · November 2015

so you play a stamina nb, excel in small scale pvp and you think you need buffed?

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

so you play a stamina nb, excel in small scale pvp and you think you need buffed?

If by buffed, you mean make Death Stroke cause physical damage because we don't have an ultimatte that does, then yes. Also I find Nightblades to be by far the easiest class to kill in PvP; with DKs being the most difficult. Magicka sorcs used to be but that changed when I acquired Shield Breaker.

arcantonias · November 2015

so your saying an 80% cost reduction on 1 skill every 45 seconds is better then 80% cost reduction for 3 seconds every 6 seconds? I will go back to my point that 1v1 you will get hard cced more then once in 45 seconds and its guaranteed you will get cced every time your immunity wears off fighting multiple opponents unless your a cloak spammer everytime someone sneezes on you.

arcantonias · November 2015

I would say every other class deserves the stamina gap closer, spammable dps and execute before nightblades get a physical damage ultimate. nightblades (especially stamina) are still top tier and everyone agrees on this.

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

so your saying an 80% cost reduction on 1 skill every 45 seconds is better then 80% cost reduction for 3 seconds every 6 seconds? I will go back to my point that 1v1 you will get hard cced more then once in 45 seconds and its guaranteed you will get cced every time your immunity wears off fighting multiple opponents unless your a cloak spammer everytime someone sneezes on you.

Sigh... I didn't say that. Did you read my response? Here:

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

arcantonias wrote: »

i dont see how you think foresight is better then unchained, go watch the we are eso podcasts where they explain in depth why stamina builds are broken in pvp because obviously im not being specific enough. those guys have played since beta and play mostly small scale pvp so I think they would know what they are talking about since the devs watch their podcast and are taking notes about changes to make in game.

It's better due to how neccessary it is for stam builds. Foresight isn't needed for magicka builds because they don't need stamina to do damage. Foresight is essentially a free gift for magicka builds. I have also played this game since PC beta, and I also do excell in small scale PvP, and quite frankly I don't view their opinions any higher than my own.

arcantonias · November 2015

magicka builds also dont have the 2k+ stam regen to break out of every hard cc they get put in so its a moot point that you think you must have unchained to be successful at pvp as a stam build

Strider_Roshin · November 2015

arcantonias wrote: »

I would say every other class deserves the stamina gap closer, spammable dps and execute before nightblades get a physical damage ultimate. nightblades (especially stamina) are still top tier and everyone agrees on this.

The most recent poll says otherwise