The annoying thing is they completely changed the Battle Leveling system, breaking a number of legitimate builds, in order to fix the TTK issue. And yet, they didn't fix it.

On the topic of ridiculous damage, I think they might have gone overboard on the werewolf buffs.



Yes, that was on a player, no I wasn't emp or anything like that.

Master_Kas wrote: »

FMonk wrote: »

On the topic of ridiculous damage, I think they might have gone overboard on the werewolf buffs.



Yes, that was on a player, no I wasn't emp or anything like that.

Well that is really not normal, with hundings rage, DW etc on v16 char I dont get any crits like that.

Prob a lowlevel?

Now I can show pictures of my Assassins will (magicka damage) which hits for 17-18k crits on V16 players while I'm using purple v14 gear (except jewerly willpower and purple v16 staffs)

Nope, was on a V16 player, here's another one.



Buffs from rally/relentless focus/etc before transforming, 10% wep damage from Hircine's Rage (on top of WW passives), 30% bonus against feared targets, plus already stupidly high base weapon damage.

WTB 1.5
(Always my most ranked comment)

Alucardo wrote: »

I've seen people asking for nerfs, but never on themselves. Please stop.

Im not only playing nb, but its not what im asking for in general, altho nb sure is in the spotlight here. Stealth atks with camuflaged hunter to be more specific, its too strong.

Camo's broken right now so I'm not surprised.

NovaShadow wrote: »

Camo's broken right now so I'm not surprised.

Working as intended im sure, but ZOS doesnt always know how things should work.

ChefZero wrote: »

Don't know what's more broken.. Camo Hunter or Animation Canceling from stealth.

Animation canceling isnt broken, its working, not as intended, but ZOS dont know how to remove it so they have pretty much said OK to it.

ChefZero wrote: »

Yeah AC is a feature; not a bug

Game is pretty much balanced around animation cancelling by now. It has become a 100% feature by now.

Long post inc, please bear with me

There are 5 factors that have to be taken into account that produce burst damage and instagibs:

1. Stealth damage bonuses. Unless the target is blocking or shielded
   a) it's a 100% guaranteed crit
   b) it gets an extra damage bonus (stealth damage)
   c) it stuns the target
2. Light attack animation cancelling. Self explanatory, everyone should know this. Let's you land a light attack and an instant skill attack at the same time within the same cool-down.
3. Skill cool-down not affecting skills with cast time. The global cool-down, which is ~1" for skill casts, starts counting when you press the button to perform the skill, not when the skill has finished casting. In the case when the skill has a cast time similar or longer than the cool-down, it's like the skill has no cool-down at all. So for example you can immediately follow a Wrecking Blow or a Snipe with an instant skill (like Surprise Attack or Silver Shards respectively) and land two hits milliseconds apart. Now if you combine it with point 2 (animation cancelling) you can in fact land 3 attacks by doing a combo like Snipe->Light Attack->Silver Shards. They will all land on the target within a half-second period.
4. Certain skills or delayed hits allow you to grant stealth bonus to more than one of your attacks. For example Ambush does not take you out of stealth as a result you can land two attacks that both receive the stealth bonus on top of the 20% damage buff given by Ambush on the next attack. Snipe has relatively slow travel time because the projectile travels in an arched trajectory. Any projectiles that you fire before the arrow has hit its target, will also be granted the stealth bonus. That is because you are out of stealth only when you register damage on a target, not when you perform an attack. So you can use the window between completing an attack and the attack registering damage, to perform more attacks that also get the stealth bonus
5. Pre-cast skills or passives adding extra damage on hit. Obviously camo/evil hunter falls into this category of pre-cast skill that adds damage on hit. Also need to take into account that Camo Hunter can proc twice on Vamps/WWs. Templar's Burning Light passive falls into this category too, though it's never really a problem because the damage is relatively low and only certain skills from a certain tree proc it.

Individually, all the above are not a problem. As a combined force however, they lead to insta-deaths by getting 4-5 hits in your recap in less than a second with multiple hits getting stealth bonuses and multiple procs of camo hunter etc.

I was trying to solo/yolo a resource yesterday and there was a hidden sniper there who took me out after I had engaged all the NPCs. He did 15.3k damage with a stealthy Snipe which was 70% of my 22k HP. Now I have no complains with the manner of my death or the damage of the snipe from stealth. I have no complains at all in fact.

That guy could however have instakilled me from full health if he had weaved a light attack + silver shards into his attack. I would have taken at least 2k from light attack and another 4-5k from Silver Shards and that would have been more than my 22k HP. Now if I was a vamp, he would have done more damage due to Slayer passive giving him more weapon damage on all attacks against me. So what's the point of having a skill like Camo Hunter?

What I'm saying is points 1-4 are really hard to change because they are part of the fabric of the game and there are gear sets and other mechanics based on them. But when combining points 1-4 allows you to pretty much instagib people, or at least do insanse burst from stealth (in very high proportion to their health), what is the point of having a skill like camo hunter?

If you want a deterrent against vampirism, implement it in a way that does not cause guaranteed one-shots which are frustrating for everyone. For example, you can give vamps 30% Health Regen and Healing Received reduction. Or take these numbers and tune them to achieve balance. But there is no reason to be adding skills that will increase the likelihood of instagibs.

When instagibs happen, people complain about damage and ZOS proceeds to implement blanket damage nerfs that affect low-damage builds more than burst builds and ultimately don't address the cause of the issue, thus instagibs remain. The cause being the combination of points 1-5 from above which allow you to land 4-5 hits in less than ~1" with multiple hits receiving stealth bonus.