Given up on class change

xboxone1Q · November 2015

People on eso take all the fun away and say no race or class change. Just because they don't want it doesn't mean I don't. But my opinion doesnt matter on here. The problem with the crown store, I see is what players are looking for those items are never in the store.

Cadelay · November 2015

Race and appearance change will happen.

Class change is stupid and I've never seen it in any of the games I've played.

TheShadowScout · November 2015

Yeah. Appereance change is worked on. Race change will almost certainly come either hand-in-hand with, or in the wake of that.

Class change... is far less likely. No game I know of that has complex classes allows people to change them. It would be a can of worms in one regard, devalue their game in other regards... they are more likely to leave it to people to make an alt if they want to play another class.

Volkodav · November 2015

Morrowind is the only game I have seen that will allow you to change classes.But it isnt an MMO.

Jayne_Doe · November 2015

It's interesting that the only real argument I see here against class change is that no other MMO has ever done it. So what? Can't ESO be different?

However, I am interested in real arguments against class change. Exactly what is the issue? I'm asking with genuine interest and want to know. I'm not for or against, just really want to understand what the issue is.

How does it unbalance things or be "a can or worms in one regard, devalue their game in other regards" (as posted above)?

Lirkin · November 2015

One thing that will make it hard to provide class changes is that what would they do for the skills that you need when you change to a different class that you would not have been able to level up?
The class specific skills would be starting level and need to be used to level up. You would be gimped until they are leveled.

Cadelay · November 2015

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's interesting that the only real argument I see here against class change is that no other MMO has ever done it. So what? Can't ESO be different?

However, I am interested in real arguments against class change. Exactly what is the issue? I'm asking with genuine interest and want to know. I'm not for or against, just really want to understand what the issue is.

How does it unbalance things or be "a can or worms in one regard, devalue their game in other regards" (as posted above)?

Real arguments against class change? Fine:

The entire time a person levels to v16 they are learning the specific spells and play style of their current class. By the time they are endgame, they will have a good feel of the class in order to do endgame content.

If a person can suddenly change their class to something they have never played, they will be blindly at v16 with a class they have no idea how to play, and making group runs for everyone they are running with miserable because they have to learn their new class with people who have already somewhat mastered their classes. PUGs are already a bad experience filled with bad players who have never class changed, and would be a nightmare with class changes in place.

Another reason is that certain classes are easier to level than others (Templar), and people will take the easy way out on their way to v16 and then swap to a harder class at endgame, further exacerbating the above problem. This makes the effort to level a class less commendable and admirable.

Third argument: There's already a class change in the game, it's called making an alt. This argument is stupid for race and appearance changes, as those are purely cosmetic things, but perfectly valid for class changes as there is significant effort and learning involved.

It's just not happening.

Jokerz Fury · November 2015

Cadelay wrote: »

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's interesting that the only real argument I see here against class change is that no other MMO has ever done it. So what? Can't ESO be different?

However, I am interested in real arguments against class change. Exactly what is the issue? I'm asking with genuine interest and want to know. I'm not for or against, just really want to understand what the issue is.

How does it unbalance things or be "a can or worms in one regard, devalue their game in other regards" (as posted above)?

Another reason is that certain classes are easier to level than others (Templar), and people will take the easy way out on their way to v16 and then swap to a harder class at endgame, further exacerbating the above problem. This makes the effort to level a class less commendable and admirable.

This reason could also be seen as a "P2W" situation and is cutting it close. I am for P2W but I know most aren't for it and I respect what the majority wants.

To the original post:

I'm sure race change will be the next thing in the crown store and obviously never class change.

OmniDevil · November 2015

Class Change? Nope. No thanks and I don't see it happening. FOTM class hopping because "XYZ Class is OP and kills me all the time. I must be playing the wrong class."

What I do see happening is "purchased" characters that are automatically leveled to VR1 or (I hope never) VR16. I'm on the fence with this one. To an extent, I would like to have to this option just so I wouldn't have to go through the entire leveling process for the third time. At the same time, the leveling process has been the way for me to learn a class, it's skills and what works best in a situation.

Race Change, Appearance Change, bring it on. I don't see anything wrong with this.

Jayne_Doe · November 2015

Cadelay wrote: »

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's interesting that the only real argument I see here against class change is that no other MMO has ever done it. So what? Can't ESO be different?

However, I am interested in real arguments against class change. Exactly what is the issue? I'm asking with genuine interest and want to know. I'm not for or against, just really want to understand what the issue is.

How does it unbalance things or be "a can or worms in one regard, devalue their game in other regards" (as posted above)?

Real arguments against class change? Fine:

The entire time a person levels to v16 they are learning the specific spells and play style of their current class. By the time they are endgame, they will have a good feel of the class in order to do endgame content.

If a person can suddenly change their class to something they have never played, they will be blindly at v16 with a class they have no idea how to play, and making group runs for everyone they are running with miserable because they have to learn their new class with people who have already somewhat mastered their classes. PUGs are already a bad experience filled with bad players who have never class changed, and would be a nightmare with class changes in place.

Another reason is that certain classes are easier to level than others (Templar), and people will take the easy way out on their way to v16 and then swap to a harder class at endgame, further exacerbating the above problem. This makes the effort to level a class less commendable and admirable.

Third argument: There's already a class change in the game, it's called making an alt. This argument is stupid for race and appearance changes, as those are purely cosmetic things, but perfectly valid for class changes as there is significant effort and learning involved.

It's just not happening.

@Cadelay Thank you for your post! I was genuinely interested in understanding what the underlying issues are for class change. Thanks for taking the time to outline it for me.

Eurygorgon · November 2015

we don't need class changes because we don't need noobs questing and learning one class then changing a failing at the end of the game.

Volkodav · November 2015

Here's a thought:
When you finish the main quest and talk to Cadwell,he offers you a separate option BEFORE he asks if you would like to see it all from a different perspective.He offers you the chance to change your class to go into your new world with.A new faction in a new class.

pronkg · November 2015

They won't do until after they balance them. Cause if they do it now everyone will buy a high elf, Breton, Orc or red guard prolly something like that. And then if they rebalance the game people want their money back cause their initial race is stronger all of a sudden

Turelus · November 2015

I played a game with class change once, it was a Korean MMO so lots of grinding for levels. This is how it worked.

Roll X class because it levels fastest, reach highest level, pay to switch to the slow level but awesome at PvP/PvE class.

There are only four classes in ESO, leveling doesn't take too long and even has Crown Store support which OP is asking for (XP potions), it's not infeasible to have one of every class at max level on your account within a month.

As for the perfect race/class min/max that will be something which you can change any time you want (and can afford) once they do bring race changes in.