best stamina dps race

Lennz · November 2015

good personal day, I'm uma.dúvida between two Redguard race or orc, what would be the best currently dps? so Redguard 10% max stamina and orc 6% max stamina +4 damage ultimately what is better? 10% stamina or 6% + 4% DMG?

Khaos_Bane · November 2015

Redguard. Period.

MilwaukeeScott · November 2015

I agree with Redguard. Especially a Redguard Nightblade.

lolo_01b16_ESO · November 2015

For pure burst Orc would probably be better, but I'd recommend Redguard as they have much better sustain.

a.skelton92 · November 2015

I reckon Redguard. Brilliant sustain. Its the adrenaline rush on its own that makes a redguard worth it! Orc would have better damage in general I reckon but a redguard can fight all night long.

Lennz · November 2015

I make one templar

Septimus_Magna · November 2015

Redguard has 10% max stam, 9% stam regen and stam return on melee hits.

Orsimer has 6% max stam, 30% health recovery and 4% extra dmg.

For top burst damage, 4% extra dmg > 4% max stam but you miss out a lot of stam regen/return if you go Orsimer.

Shader_Shibes · November 2015

Yeah redguard all day for me.

I regret making mine Imperial, i suppose she would make a decent tank

EDS604 · November 2015

imo imperial is a pretty good race for stamina too. maybe they do not have the sustain that redguard does, but they do have a 12% health bonus wich allows you to stack even more into stamina. (they have 10% max stam bonus too, so a big amount of stam can be achieved easily this way). Also the red diamond passive is prety good as well, maybe not for dealing more dmg but for survivability it's amazing.

Lennz · November 2015

Ty guys for information

olsborg · November 2015

I like being a imperial nightblade, mostly cause I get 21k health without even trying to get any health and 31k stamina. Health is more important now then it was before, a nightblade with 25k health and 30k stamina and 4k weapon dmg is to be feared:)

Imperial 4 lyf.

uso245 · November 2015

Depends on what you are looking at, PvE-wise Redguard is definitely a good choice for stamina regen especially during boss fights it helps a lot. (My v16 nightblade is Redguard and I PvP with him more then PvE) but other choices are available especially if you are going for PvP burst build like Orc for melee damage or Imperial for health recovery. Reason I don't mention Khajiit as much is simply because Hunding's Set alone provides ample amount of weapon crit. However a good idea would be to use Briarheart on a Khajiit so since you don't have excess crit the passive certainly helps.

uso245 · November 2015

olsborg wrote: »

I like being a imperial nightblade, mostly cause I get 21k health without even trying to get any health and 31k stamina. Health is more important now then it was before, a nightblade with 25k health and 30k stamina and 4k weapon dmg is to be feared:)

Imperial 4 lyf.

PvE or PvP? In the regards of PvP I can see Imperial being useful but in regards to PvE it can be detrimental to your stamina recovery.

Xantaria · November 2015

When looking at pure DPS values and a build that will NOT need any sustain at all then you want to go Catmer (Khajiit) with a build focused heavily onto Crit and Crit Damage using Twice Born Star set with Thief and Shadow and full points into Precise Strikes. Those 8% Crit will grant you the highest possible boost to PvE DPS.

hrothbern · November 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Redguard has 10% max stam, 9% stam regen and stam return on melee hits.

Orsimer has 6% max stam, 30% health recovery and 4% extra dmg.

For top burst damage, 4% extra dmg > 4% max stam but you miss out a lot of stam regen/return if you go Orsimer.

Does Adrenaline Rush also procs on a Shield Bash?

J2JMC · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

When looking at pure DPS values and a build that will NOT need any sustain at all then you want to go Catmer (Khajiit) with a build focused heavily onto Crit and Crit Damage using Twice Born Star set with Thief and Shadow and full points into Precise Strikes. Those 8% Crit will grant you the highest possible boost to PvE DPS.

@Xantaria Mind if I pm you some questions about this?

Shader_Shibes · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

When looking at pure DPS values and a build that will NOT need any sustain at all then you want to go Catmer (Khajiit) with a build focused heavily onto Crit and Crit Damage using Twice Born Star set with Thief and Shadow and full points into Precise Strikes. Those 8% Crit will grant you the highest possible boost to PvE DPS.

So that will offer more dps from say hundings x5 and night mothers on rest? Assuming you you weigh more into precise strikes than mighty?

Thanks.

Van_0S · November 2015

Bosmer Master race

Xantaria · November 2015

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

When looking at pure DPS values and a build that will NOT need any sustain at all then you want to go Catmer (Khajiit) with a build focused heavily onto Crit and Crit Damage using Twice Born Star set with Thief and Shadow and full points into Precise Strikes. Those 8% Crit will grant you the highest possible boost to PvE DPS.

So that will offer more dps from say hundings x5 and night mothers on rest? Assuming you you weigh more into precise strikes than mighty?

Thanks.

@Shader_Shibes
With my build (DW/Bow) I have 4 Nightmother 5 TBS and 3 Agility (full Medium). Going 4 Nightmother (Crit WD Crit) even gives more DPS to me than going 3 Nightmother + 1 Kena (Crit WD WD) because I'm focusing so heavily into Critical Damage. For me I do get slightly more DPS with TBS than with Hundings Rage. BUT in Raids where Warhorn is up a lot it prooves to be a lot better than Hundings Rage. Keep in mind I'm also utilizing Trap Beast every now and then. (Basically whenever I swap to my Bow-offbar for Ultimate / Long Dots that don't need to be on mainbar (Caltrops) / Scorched Earth (when there is multiple enemies) / Poison Injection (in Excute Range)).

Assuming a 50% uptime of Warhorn and a 50% uptime of Trap Beast you will have 211,8% Critical Multiplier Which means that the 8% Crit you gain from being Khajiit are equal to almost 10% raw DPS increase. Which is more than any other race can offer by far.

With that build as a Khajiit DK you will have 90,5% Crit. And as only 75-80% of your Damage is Physical Damage you will put 100 points into Precise Strikes and the remaining ones into mighty and a few here and there to gain the high % numbers at the start.

All of this is assuming there are no bugs and that an acknowledged issue with Critical Strike is getting a fix soon. And of course we assume that you do NOT have any resource issues. If you have some you can still use Cost Reduction on Jewellery instead of Weapon Damage, but that will of course cost you some DPS. This builds is not meant for PvP because you will have resource issues and you cannot crit on shields ... and with this setup your noncrits will hit like wet noodles.

@J2JMC
Sure, feel free to ask here or PM.

imredneckson · November 2015

Lennz wrote: »

good personal day, I'm uma.dúvida between two Redguard race or orc, what would be the best currently dps? so Redguard 10% max stamina and orc 6% max stamina +4 damage ultimately what is better? 10% stamina or 6% + 4% DMG?

Redguard, orc, personally I like Khajiit 20% extra health regen, 10% stamina regen, increased damage from stealth and if I remember correctly 6% extra crit chance

Xantaria · November 2015

imredneckson wrote: »

Lennz wrote: »

good personal day, I'm uma.dúvida between two Redguard race or orc, what would be the best currently dps? so Redguard 10% max stamina and orc 6% max stamina +4 damage ultimately what is better? 10% stamina or 6% + 4% DMG?

Redguard, orc, personally I like Khajiit 20% extra health regen, 10% stamina regen, increased damage from stealth and if I remember correctly 6% extra crit chance

8%

Junkogen · November 2015

Argonian, duh.

Xantaria · November 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

Argonian, duh.

Keep those deformed and underdeveloped Mud Crabs out of this thread.

Vildebill · November 2015

Khajiit master race!

Shader_Shibes · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

When looking at pure DPS values and a build that will NOT need any sustain at all then you want to go Catmer (Khajiit) with a build focused heavily onto Crit and Crit Damage using Twice Born Star set with Thief and Shadow and full points into Precise Strikes. Those 8% Crit will grant you the highest possible boost to PvE DPS.

So that will offer more dps from say hundings x5 and night mothers on rest? Assuming you you weigh more into precise strikes than mighty?

Thanks.

@Shader_Shibes
With my build (DW/Bow) I have 4 Nightmother 5 TBS and 3 Agility (full Medium). Going 4 Nightmother (Crit WD Crit) even gives more DPS to me than going 3 Nightmother + 1 Kena (Crit WD WD) because I'm focusing so heavily into Critical Damage. For me I do get slightly more DPS with TBS than with Hundings Rage. BUT in Raids where Warhorn is up a lot it prooves to be a lot better than Hundings Rage. Keep in mind I'm also utilizing Trap Beast every now and then. (Basically whenever I swap to my Bow-offbar for Ultimate / Long Dots that don't need to be on mainbar (Caltrops) / Scorched Earth (when there is multiple enemies) / Poison Injection (in Excute Range)).

Assuming a 50% uptime of Warhorn and a 50% uptime of Trap Beast you will have 211,8% Critical Multiplier Which means that the 8% Crit you gain from being Khajiit are equal to almost 10% raw DPS increase. Which is more than any other race can offer by far.

With that build as a Khajiit DK you will have 90,5% Crit. And as only 75-80% of your Damage is Physical Damage you will put 100 points into Precise Strikes and the remaining ones into mighty and a few here and there to gain the high % numbers at the start.

All of this is assuming there are no bugs and that an acknowledged issue with Critical Strike is getting a fix soon. And of course we assume that you do NOT have any resource issues. If you have some you can still use Cost Reduction on Jewellery instead of Weapon Damage, but that will of course cost you some DPS. This builds is not meant for PvP because you will have resource issues and you cannot crit on shields ... and with this setup your noncrits will hit like wet noodles.

@J2JMC
Sure, feel free to ask here or PM.

Many thanks for your detailed response! I crafted a set of TBS, however i forgot about making 7 pieces for extra crit, and made it 5/1/1. I already have gaze set, so will check what i need and make extra 2 pieces of TBS in medium.

Weapons, do you use dual daggers or 1 dagger and 1 mace? And enchants, im guessing 1 crushing and 1 increase wep damage on dw, and precise masters bow?

Thanks again!

Ehh, dunno what happened with the quote ^^

Jura23 · November 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Bosmer Master race

One of sideffects of block nerf is that Bosmer passives become much less competitive compared to redguard. We need new balancing!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2015

For sustained single target DPS, Redguard is the winner because of the bonuses to raw stamina and stamina regeneration. Really the only other two races to consider are Imperial and Khajiit.

Imperials will have more health, but less sustain. The damage will be the same as Redguard (same bonus to raw stamina), but they will not be able to last as long in a fight because of stamina regen issues. That being said, imperial is a really solid choice because the extra health is nice, especially if soloing or pvp'ing. It is arguably the best class if you want to swap between magic and stamina. Once you get enough CP, the sustain issues are not as much of a problem.

Khajiits are another race worth considering. They get a slightly better bonus to stam regen when compared to redguards. They also get a big bonus to health regen. I would probably rather have the raw health from imperial, but 20% regen isnt bad. The big difference here is that they get more crit instead of more stamina. Their base damage will not be as high, but they will crit more often. This can be very good for burst in PvP. Also, with the return of crit builds, Khajiit becomes more enticing.

Phinix1 · November 2015

Lennz wrote: »

best stamina dps race...

Head to Windhelm for some Spikeball!

Oh, wait...

Daveheart · November 2015

Crit is king. That being said, some on NA server have found a 6-10% drop in actual crit rates vs their character sheets on Khajiit stam builds. Can't be 100% certain of the cause, but it appears that the 8% Khajiit crit passive is currently bugged.

SemiD4rkness · November 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

Crit is king. That being said, some on NA server have found a 6-10% drop in actual crit rates vs their character sheets on Khajiit stam builds. Can't be 100% certain of the cause, but it appears that the 8% Khajiit crit passive is currently bugged.

So many percentages! Ahhhg my heaaad

acw37162 · November 2015

I would say it comes down to if you constantly want to find sand everywhere.

Or

Are constantly biting yourself in you top lip with your bottom fangs and underbite.