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Maelstrom Arena was not designed for melee nor stamina builds.

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decided to do a run through as my melee build sorc, stam DW, and my god massive difficulty jump, could only get to stage 6 before being barraged to death with slows and hard hitting adds that demanded to be roll dodged a lot, destroying my resources fast.

so i switched over to non-vet. went a lot smoother, still had a lot of struggle with both swamp based stages, spider stage and last stage. especially the last stage. there is no way the mechanics for that one were even remotely considered to be melee nor stam friendly! constant stream of ghosts that cant be killed, slow and attack you as well as fast moving gold ghosts who usually spawn closer to enemies than you, the daedroth add spewing fire on you non-stop that cant be out run with sprinting nor can he be CC, those NB adds are brutal, that ulti spam they do is pretty generous and how hard it hit on non-vet is abysmal, how anyone that's not tank built or shield stacked on vet could survive that I'm unsure and then there's the boss himself.

that boss was clearly designed for a range magicka build. he teleports often, knocks you back, AoE blasts around him self quite regularly, summons daedroth flame spewers of death, zips up to an upper arena that's pretty thin and tricky to attack the crystals+dodge everything, ran out of stamina quite well on this part. after getting him back down, i was overwhelmed by how the ghosts, gold ghosts, his knock backs, add that can summon AND his generous use of teleporting could overwhelm me, this part i died quite often due to how if HE gets 3 ghosts you pretty much die, while they spawn quite close to him and move fast while i was getting hit by slow ghosts.

overall i found the arena to be much easier as a magicka sorc than a stam build. massive difficulty spike. i feel bad for any DK or templar who puts themselves through this torture.

if anything they need to give several of the melee adds the shield breaker ability and weaken the archers slightly to balance out some of this damage and alter some of the mechanics so it doesn't favour a range as much, this was quite anger inducing that i actually had to stop and make a cup of tea to relax a little, and this was non vet(well after the stage 6 attempt of course which in itself was brutal) and they need to reduce the amount of waves to 1 "warm up" wave and a boss wave, thing takes far to long to be friendly for anyone but the jobless/student/lifeless.

TLDR: (don't be rude honestly at least try read it) Arena was not intended to be used by melee/stamina builds, give several adds shield breaker, weaken archers damage slightly, alter some boss mechanics to be more melee friendly, reduce waves to 2 only, one warm up, one boss wave.
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  • J2JMC
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    I don't know what you are talking about. Stamina is obviously OP because a nightblade did burst damage to someone and killed them from stealth in pvp. Haven't you read the forums?
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  • Shadesofkin
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    It just takes time and patience, it can be done.
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  • Alcast
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    It just takes time and patience, it can be done.

    It can be done, but it is just idiotic difficult compared to Magicka classes
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  • Dualrifle
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    I don't understand why this game favor ranged char so much, too make thing worse they also make certain classes hard hitting from range, highly mobile, and extra tanky. What's with that?
  • DannyLV702
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    J2JMC wrote: »
    I don't know what you are talking about. Stamina is obviously OP because a nightblade did burst damage to someone and killed them from stealth in pvp. Haven't you read the forums?

    When players talk about NBs being strong, they don't give two s**** about pve, they strictly talk about pvp. So your attempt of a joke/mockery doesn't work here.
  • Shadesofkin
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    Alcast wrote: »
    It just takes time and patience, it can be done.

    It can be done, but it is just idiotic difficult compared to Magicka classes

    You could say that about a lot in this game. Stamina has been carrying the burden of Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block, and weapons since the games first Alpha phase. We've begged them to change this even a little and they've repeatedly said no.
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  • Sharkano
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    "Stamina has been carrying the burden of Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block, and weapons since the games first Alpha phase. We've begged them to change this even a little and they've repeatedly said no." Correct, and just like: non-global auction system, goofy 5-guild framework that actually decreases socialization, dk nerfbat mania, and a million other problems they have globally refused to change, despite years of bitching by players.
  • dday3six
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    J2JMC wrote: »
    I don't know what you are talking about. Stamina is obviously OP because a nightblade did burst damage to someone and killed them from stealth in pvp. Haven't you read the forums?

    When players talk about NBs being strong, they don't give two s**** about pve, they strictly talk about pvp. So your attempt of a joke/mockery doesn't work here.

    You missed the point...

  • Gelassenheit
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    I do the whole thing as a melee magicka templar. No ranged skills whatsoever.
  • Malmai
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    Range, Shields and better dmg Scaling = Easy Mode
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    Does this really surprise you that we are returning to::


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    Arreyanne wrote: »
    the magika is beast Oh dont forget your robe and staff

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  • TheWolfJeW
    Vet Maelstrom arena really isn't that difficult once you spend some time in there as a stam build. The first day it came out I had some trouble with it, but after spending a few hours in it I was able to complete on my dualwield Stamplar. All it takes is some time. Right now it only takes my stamplar about an hour and a half to complete a vet run. All you need is rally, vigor, and WW form maxed out and its actually not that bad anymore on any of my stam characters be it my temp, dk, or nb.
    Edited by TheWolfJeW on November 16, 2015 9:02AM
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  • dsalter
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    TheWolfJeW wrote: »
    Vet Maelstrom arena really isn't that difficult once you spend some time in there as a stam build. The first day it came out I had some trouble with it, but after spending a few hours in it I was able to complete on my dualwield Stamplar. All it takes is some time. Right now it only takes my stamplar about an hour and a half to complete a vet run. All you need is rally, vigor, and WW form maxed out and its actually not that bad anymore on any of my stam characters be it my temp, dk, or nb.

    i know its doable, but it takes far more patients, better resource management than usual due to the amount of things you have to dodge, block, etc then there's the fact you wont be doing as well as a magicka build, especially a sorc shield stacker due to nothing in the arena countering or pressuring said shield stacking.

    stam builds get the short end of the stick, stam melee get an even shorter end of the stick.
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  • Tors
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    J2JMC wrote: »
    I don't know what you are talking about. Stamina is obviously OP because a nightblade did burst damage to someone and killed them from stealth in pvp. Haven't you read the forums?

    When players talk about NBs being strong, they don't give two s**** about pve, they strictly talk about pvp. So your attempt of a joke/mockery doesn't work here.

    Which was the whole point he was making..............
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  • Alcast
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    Alcast wrote: »
    It just takes time and patience, it can be done.

    It can be done, but it is just idiotic difficult compared to Magicka classes

    You could say that about a lot in this game. Stamina has been carrying the burden of Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block, and weapons since the games first Alpha phase. We've begged them to change this even a little and they've repeatedly said no.

    Ye...the game was not designed for Stamina builds at all. And ZOS is very slow at adapting....veeeeeeery slow.
    I only wish they would fix the bugs in the arena at least. I wouldnt even care if Stam builds are worse off. But the bugs is what really grinds my gears and I am about to quit bc of those horrible bugs and NO communication from ZOS if they will or will not fix the bugs.
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  • daswahnsinn
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    I'm a stam dps DK using dual wield and bow. Did normal at v16 in a hour and 15 minutes. I can be done you just have to know your build and such. I realized half way through my first run that my build had crap health and stam regenm and had to use pots with heavy attacks more often. Since then I have tweeked my build a little. I had fun, can't wait to try Vet.
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  • Alcast
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    I'm a stam dps DK using dual wield and bow. Did normal at v16 in a hour and 15 minutes. I can be done you just have to know your build and such. I realized half way through my first run that my build had crap health and stam regenm and had to use pots with heavy attacks more often. Since then I have tweeked my build a little. I had fun, can't wait to try Vet.

    You will not have fun in vet.
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  • dsalter
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    I'm a stam dps DK using dual wield and bow. Did normal at v16 in a hour and 15 minutes. I can be done you just have to know your build and such. I realized half way through my first run that my build had crap health and stam regenm and had to use pots with heavy attacks more often. Since then I have tweeked my build a little. I had fun, can't wait to try Vet.

    i did vet first of all on a stam build. got quite far but in no way is it designed for stamina, non-vet mode i completed in about 2 hours, died needlessly 3 times due to lack of awareness, rest was due to basic struggles of being stam focused.
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  • Ted_Mosby_Architect
    I'm a stam dps DK using dual wield and bow. Did normal at v16 in a hour and 15 minutes. I can be done you just have to know your build and such. I realized half way through my first run that my build had crap health and stam regenm and had to use pots with heavy attacks more often. Since then I have tweeked my build a little. I had fun, can't wait to try Vet.

    There's a huge difference between normal and vet. Come back here after you try it and tell me if you had fun or not.
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  • TotterTates
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    It's very difficult, but with practice it can be done. Took me 6 nights to complete it on my stam DK (no WW). By the time I completed, I was able to consistently get to stage 7 without a death... but then rng takes over.
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  • Strider_Roshin
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    Yeah I know it's tough for stamina/melee builds, but I'm going to beat it anyways just to show that it can be done. Tough it out and learn the mechanics; it'll make you a better player. View this as a learning opportunity rather than an excuse to whine.
  • Rayste
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    Alcast wrote: »
    I'm a stam dps DK using dual wield and bow. Did normal at v16 in a hour and 15 minutes. I can be done you just have to know your build and such. I realized half way through my first run that my build had crap health and stam regenm and had to use pots with heavy attacks more often. Since then I have tweeked my build a little. I had fun, can't wait to try Vet.

    You will not have fun in vet.

    Haha this is a running joke in my main guild. PvPers mostly. I tell them that if they want to have some real fun, hop into vet maelstrom. Its a satisfying and rewarding experience. :)
    Edited by Rayste on November 16, 2015 10:46PM
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  • Elijah_Crow
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    I gave it a solid 8 hours today. With 330 champion points on my stamina Nightblade (and I consider myself above average) I couldn't get past the 4th arena. Just not strong enough with 23K resists scaling up to cap and 3k weapon damage, rally, vigor, caltrops, the works. Learned the mechanics but I can't soak that much damage.
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