Vampire: Is it worth it?

Scora · November 2015

How do you feel about being a Vampire. do you feel the good outweights the bad or are the penalties just too steep?

personally im a vampire but i only really use the passives and im starting to wonder if they are worth the hassle of being a vampire ^^

Brrrofski · November 2015

I love it on my templar. Mist gives a nice mobility tool they don't have.

The reduced damage at low health gives you more time for last ditch heals too.

Bat swarm makes up for pretty rubbish dps templar ultimates too.

I don't have it on my sorc or stam Dk though.

Zedh · November 2015

Depends on what you want to do. In PvE it's so not worth it just for the passives. In both arenas non Vamps are far better off. In PvP though Mist Form and the Ultimate are still really good for all classes.

Sav72 · November 2015

I love it, but there are a lot more negative factors then positive ones.

Undefwun · November 2015

I miss being vamp for sneak speed and bats (for PvP), but so many ppl running one of the Hunter morphs (thanks IC)... you get smashed hard.

Saw a guildie bow 1 combo shot ppl just by throwing a Silver Shards into his rotation... like 30-40k combos that hit almost instantly.

I got hard enough time as is, without opening that door... but I have thought about just testing it out again....

Ponyboy9569 · November 2015

It really does depend on your build and what it is you are doing. Personally I hate feeding all the time to keep health regen up, considering I also don't use the active abilities either lower cost for vamp skills is useless. If in the future ZoS updates the skill line as they should I could see it being totally worth it. But as is I find it too much of a hassle for the mediocre passives

Scyantific · November 2015

Mag sorc here. Swore up and down I'd never go Edward, but I wanted a cheevo (and a dye) so I did.

Best decision ever. Innate fire resist from racials + elemental defender means I don't take any more damage from fire than non-vamps, and Devouring Swarm is a godsend for mobbing dungeons. Lets me rush into the action and just murder everything while staying topped off with health.

TheNephilimCrow · November 2015

Personally, Vampire is really over-rated. Yeah, you hear about the Batman/Batgirl builds for it, but honestly that's all there are. It's set around its Ultimate - Devouring Swarm. I put vampire on my Sorcerer and I started dying a bunch more. No amount of shields saved me from it.

Taking it off fixed all my issues and made me an Emperor killer again.

Personally, I enjoy Werewolf overall, which is strange since I've always played Vampires in Elder Scroll games. Alas, I'm lazy now. I work too much to maintain a Vampire anymore.

Even if you have to slot the WW transformation to get the Stamina recovery passive to use it, its still a nice transformation. It does so much damage and if you take damage every 3 seconds your timer increases and you stay in it longer. Self healing is on point. Idk.

At the end of the day, its all about preference.

danno8 · November 2015

PvP:

If you are a NB or Sorc you have more than enough mobility and escapability to not bother with it.

If you are DK or Templar it will probably be your only means of mobility/escapability, so it may be worth it. Templar ultimates are also overshadowed by Batswarm.

PvE:

Not worth it really.

dday3six · November 2015

It's a maybe for PVP. It's a lot of damage to deal with in PVE.

On the PVP side you have to worry about Ults like Dawnbreaker, and players with fighters guild passives will deal more damage to you by default. So the benefits needs complete your build. For example mist is very good mobility for Templars and DK's.

In PVE most of the damage is fire and while it's possible to be healed through it, it's still a needless strain placed on the other party, as none of the skills are really useful in a PVE setting.

Dalsinthus · November 2015

I love the passives and the ultimate, but it was just not worth it for me in PVP. Camo hunter, silver shards, fighter's guild passives, and flawless dawnbreaker will nuke you every time. I cured it as a result.

I do find vampires to be the easiest targets to kill in PVP. I one shot them regularly with camo hunter and a heavy bow attack.

Brrrofski · November 2015

Do many people run camo hunter?

I've been killed once with it in my feed in about 3 weeks I've been vampire.

Dawnbreaker hurts, but fire is fine. I'm a breton and stack eventual defender

Prabooo · November 2015

Not worthy, at all

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2015

im a vampire who strickly goes around killing other vampires. i love it. if you are not in sneak your using it wrong.

i kill vampires till i have swarm then kill none vamps.

if you are part of that dueler scene then id say not worth. however if your a niche killer like me it is. vamp has a lot of synergy with nb's tho, double take does not take you out of stealth and neither does buffing. so for a stam nb its fun. also clouding swarm and surprise att will stun every hit. its great.

play whats fun. dont sink to the level of the "1v1 me mate" playstyle.

rolandlu7prb18_ESO · November 2015

Not any more. I can almost 1 shot kill any vampires from stealth with Camoufalged hunter buff.

Jura23 · November 2015

Not for me anymore. Biggest drawback I see is Fighter's Guild skill line.

But it is true that yesterday one guy gave me 17k hit with Devouring Swarm and that was deadly. So if you are good player you can probably do just ok as a vampire.

Chims · November 2015

vampire needs 3 m ore abilities and some damage skills. The ultimate is good but the other two are pretty crappy.

Scora · November 2015

A sa templar, is it worth it just for the ultimate or am i netter of using another ultimate?

Levo18 · November 2015

I like dawnbreaker

Brrrofski · November 2015

It's better than any temp ultimates.

The healing is a different matter.

It's also nice on a temp for movement with Elusive mist.

SemiD4rkness · November 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

It's better than any temp ultimates.

The healing is a different matter.

It's also nice on a temp for movement with Elusive mist.

It's so sad that a bad skill line overall makes templars better. Says a lot about the class

Brrrofski · November 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

It's better than any temp ultimates.

The healing is a different matter.

It's also nice on a temp for movement with Elusive mist.

It's so sad that a bad skill line overall makes templars better. Says a lot about the class

It's not that bad a skill line.

The ultimate is good. Mist form is good.

10% extra magica and stam recovery with skill slotted.

Take more damage the lower healthy have.

Sneak in full speed.

You can negate the fire damage. The only drawback is fighter guild skills. Mainly dawnbreaker. Even with that, unless people can animation cancel it, you can dodge it

And Templars are fine. I have a vr16 temp, magica sorc, stam Dk and VR 4 stamblade. My temp is the most fun in pvp.

ADarklore · November 2015

I think 'worth' depends on what you play and how you play. For me, being a solo PvE player, I love the stealth passive and as I do more damage from stealth, it makes more sense going vamp instead of having to use a crafted set bonus when I can run higher damage sets instead.

The downside is the constant feeding, which isn't a big deal if you're fighting humanoid enemies, but WAY too many times we are doing quests against Daedra or undead, which means nothing to feed on the entire quest. I often have to wayshrine to an area I know are plentiful with enemy humanoids just to feed and then wayshrine back to questing area... honestly, they should allow us to feed on animals so as to avoid this stupid "humanoid" restriction.

Having to slot a skill for the regen is reasonable, but on a tight build with no skill slots to spare, it can be tough. Why would I slot Vampire Swarm when I can run Energy Overload and obliterate enemies in a heartbeat with Ultimate left to spare? Slotting a skill on the regular bar, again, is impossible with my loadout. So in the end, I only go with vampire for the stealth speed but there are times I wonder if it's worth it or whether I should just get cured and go back to sacrificing one crafted set and return to Night's Silence.

Brrrofski · November 2015

I wouldn't count feeding as a downside.

Most people stat in stage 4. I've never fed

ADarklore · November 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wouldn't count feeding as a downside.

Most people stat in stage 4. I've never fed

And that was fine before they nerfed the Undeath passive as it was doing too much damage mitigation which meant that losing health regen before wasn't a big deal, I'm betting that is no longer true. Besides that, there is no benefit to being at stage four unless you actually use vampire abilities and thus benefit from the cost reduction.

Brrrofski · November 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wouldn't count feeding as a downside.

Most people stat in stage 4. I've never fed

And that was fine before they nerfed the Undeath passive as it was doing too much damage mitigation which meant that losing health regen before wasn't a big deal, I'm betting that is no longer true. Besides that, there is no benefit to being at stage four unless you actually use vampire abilities and thus benefit from the cost reduction.

I use mist form and swarm om my templar.

The health regen isn't an issue either because of bol.

It works wonderfully on a templar. I wouldn't go vamp on a sorc or nightblade. They have good ultimates and mobility. Templars lack both.

Not sure about a DK. They have good ultimates but do lack the mobility.

zornyan · November 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wouldn't count feeding as a downside.

Most people stat in stage 4. I've never fed

And that was fine before they nerfed the Undeath passive as it was doing too much damage mitigation which meant that losing health regen before wasn't a big deal, I'm betting that is no longer true. Besides that, there is no benefit to being at stage four unless you actually use vampire abilities and thus benefit from the cost reduction.

I use mist form and swarm om my templar.

The health regen isn't an issue either because of bol.

It works wonderfully on a templar. I wouldn't go vamp on a sorc or nightblade. They have good ultimates and mobility. Templars lack both.

Not sure about a DK. They have good ultimates but do lack the mobility.

Only crap thing atm is mist form bug, can still be cc, stunned etc and only getting about 20% more mitigation from it not 75%.

Emma_Overload · November 2015

Camo Hunter and Mist Form bugs made me cure my Vamp....

I'm still bitter!

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wouldn't count feeding as a downside.

Most people stat in stage 4. I've never fed

And that was fine before they nerfed the Undeath passive as it was doing too much damage mitigation which meant that losing health regen before wasn't a big deal, I'm betting that is no longer true. Besides that, there is no benefit to being at stage four unless you actually use vampire abilities and thus benefit from the cost reduction.

I use mist form and swarm om my templar.

The health regen isn't an issue either because of bol.

It works wonderfully on a templar. I wouldn't go vamp on a sorc or nightblade. They have good ultimates and mobility. Templars lack both.

Not sure about a DK. They have good ultimates but do lack the mobility.

Only crap thing atm is mist form bug, can still be cc, stunned etc and only getting about 20% more mitigation from it not 75%.

I also think its pretty sad the first ability scales off magicka. So stamina user's cant do any damage with that skill.

ADarklore · November 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Camo Hunter and Mist Form bugs made me cure my Vamp....

I'm still bitter!

I also cured my Bosmer... but it had to do more with being too OCD about feeding and having to slot a useless Ultimate for regen passive. Since I use Energy Overload as my Ultimate, I have no need for Bat Swarm... and when I did slot it just for the passive, I kept accidentally hitting it thinking I was activating Overload. *sigh* There is nothing else of the abilities that I found even remotely useful, and as others noted, as a Stamina Sorc, having Drain Essence scale on Magicka doesn't do me any good either.

tangy.citrus · November 2015

Vamp is really great for any character, especially tank. The undeath passive really helps, its easiest to notice its effects once you just put it on or you just take it off. And it doesnt require any vamp skill on your bar. In pvp, its even better. The sneak is amazing, the extra passive gain is bomb, and in zergs where you're trying to lag out the other zerg/group devouring swarm is awesome.

And yes, you can do maelstrom with a vampire.