Sadly ZOS seem fixated on level cap raises every few months, they clearly don't understand that there are other ways to implement character progression without the need to invalidate the current game entirely.

thats *** guys best PVE mmo ive ever played was FFXI, and they had a lvl cap of 75 for 4 expansions in a row(not dlc actual expansions) 4 years the same lvl cap. and boy was there progression and hard content and the amount of stuff to do was mindboggling. instead of just farming the latest dungeon over and over and over you had so much awesome fun content it would make your head spin.

if you design your game well you don't need to increase the level to keep it interesting. just give variety instead. more skilllines, maybe unlockable skilllines, questable skilllines, intense story driven content. new pvp sets etc etc.

daemonios wrote: »

If you ask me, level cap increases are essential to keeping an MMO interesting. I don't want to run with the same gear for the next few years.

That said, I agree with you 100% that current end-game gear is infuriatingly difficult to grind, whether we're going for dropped gear (low drop rate, stupid traits, BoP) or crafted gear (absurd cost, increased rarity of materials). We shouldn't spend 6 months grinding gear and then immediately have a level cap increase.

So bring out new gear without the raise, you don't need to raise the level cap each time you churn out a few new sets.

Rook_Master wrote: »

They are never removing Vet Ranks. The sooner people accept that, the easier it will be for them when it is finally announced.

They are coded too deeply into the game, and their removal raises too many questions that can't be answered. I would not be surprised at all to see V18 come into play when Dark Brotherhood is released.

I disagree The Champion Point System Cap was the IMO probably the final step for removing Vet Ranks all together as the Champ System was meant to do this in the first place.

They can go in and make all the gear level 50 with databases changes, and simply adjust the gear bonus values...some gear may have more magic regen then another, one may have more spell damage then regen, etc....point is this will give us more gear choices as gear once obsolete will now be available.

They won't need to raise the Veteran Rank anymore because now they can simply raise the Champion System Cap per season, since the majority of ESO players were sitting well below the current Champ System cap, raising the Champ System Cap will be the new Veteran Rank.

The writing is already on the wall, Vet ranks will be gone in the next 6-8 months, everything is now in place for them to do so....Now that they have Champ Points cap in place, they can use that to raise the level without worrying about angering their playerbase with the Veteran system that has been despised since the games launch....

Matt Firor has stated repeatedly that removal of Vet Ranks was their long term goal, phase 4 was supposed to be in 1.6 and they are running a bit behind schedule, but the Champ System was also about 6 months late...i have seen progress in the last few months...the Champ System cap now gives them all the freedom they need to remove Vet ranks once and for all....

I wouldn't be surprised to see Vet ranks go the wayside with the Theives Guild or Dark Brotherhood update in Q1 or Q2 of next year...they have been working on this removal for a very long time, Firor has said so numerous times its one of their stated long term goals of Tamriel Unlimited...the Champ system was designed to allow them to remove Veteran Ranks as ZOS was listening to the complaints of so many who quit the game due to Veteran ranks sucking the fun out of it.

You can ask the majority who quit after the 1st 30 days of launch, when you coming back, the first thing they ask is "are Veteran Ranks still in the game" when you say yes, they say no thanks. Remove those Vet ranks and that large influx of players comes back...Firor knows this, and its why everything has lead us to this point...that Champ Cap was a huge step in that direction...now all they really have left is adjusting some gear values and mob values all which are doable...soon you will no longer progess by leveling, you will progress by Champion System caps the way ZOS envisioned if when they designed the Champ System.

What scares me more is actual removal of vet ranks and a possibility they will make everybody not at CP cap a lowbie... with all his gear too.

So, here's a question then, if Vet Ranks are removed, does that mean that once a character is lvl 50, it's 'max level'? That character would have all the CP bonuses, etc. from the account.

That's going to greatly reduce the time needed to get new characters running but I wonder if that is almost too easy/quick...

elium85 wrote: »

So, here's a question then, if Vet Ranks are removed, does that mean that once a character is lvl 50, it's 'max level'? That character would have all the CP bonuses, etc. from the account.

That's going to greatly reduce the time needed to get new characters running but I wonder if that is almost too easy/quick...

Being lvl 50 will not a max lvl player make.

It will then be down to CP etc I reckon.

Though to be honest I think removing VR is a mistake - and that this time could be better used to iron out other issues.

What do they do with all of the v1-v16 gear and mats if VRs are taken away?
The skill points?
The attributes?
Is all of Caldwell's the same difficulty?
Do we even need to enter Caldwell's if leveling stops at 50?
What happens to craglorn?

VRs are so deep into the game I don't see how they could possibly remove them without reworking the way the whole game works. Either that, or "can not equip until 120CPs" on gear, etc.

I think VR cap rising is over, mainly because of this DLC. The fact that there new system for DLC is battle syncing new content zones could mean they are no longer fixated on raising the VR cap.

This along with the changes to the LFG tool system means that they maybe beginning to phase out the VR system they said they would.

I wouldn't say it's for certain, after all every MMO seems to think the best way to make progress is to up the maximum level to force players to work for new gear.

I'm just thinking if the number of mats required for V16 versus V15 is a 10X increase, then how many are we going to need for V18? I wonder if ZOS are sitting in their office thinking "Wow, people are really enjoying farming mats - look at guild traders, it's all they are ever selling!!" Then someone will chime in with "1000 mats per V18 crafted piece will be another 10X the fun!"

At which point I finally quit this game. The RNG grind was thoughtless to the community and giving us V18 before probably 10% of the community have obtained their ideal RNG V16 set is an insult. I rarely lose my patience with this game as I've loved it since it launched. But enough is enough.