Maelstrom Arena is too hard...NERF IT!

PaddingtonBear · November 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

No Nerf November!

what does this mean? lol does it even have any relation to November?

Dracane · November 2015

PaddingtonBear wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

No Nerf November!

what does this mean? lol does it even have any relation to November?

Someone made a joke, that there shall be no nerf during november.
However, the first nerf already happened with yesterdays patch. Didn't work as it seems.

rokrdt05 · November 2015

When I went to test the content on the PTS, I was of the same impression that it would need to be tweaked. Or course this was before I was aware of the bug involving mobs getting reduced damage, abilities costing more, and regen lower.

Now that it has been resolved and it's now on live, I think it's fine the way it is. I've beaten this with 3 different classes (NB, Templar, Sorc). I have yet to do it with my DK, but I will be trying at some point this week. The arena was challenging and is getting easier with each sub sequent run. My runs do not exceed an hour and 40mins usually anymore.

The arena pushes you to come up with a build/rotation that makes you survivable and does damage. I think of it as extreme PvP. You need a lot of awareness of what is going on, knowledge of your class and abilities, and the ability to learn/do the mechanics.

Honestly, I would take the time to talk with people who have cleared in your class and get tips or build information... maybe watch the dozen of videos that are out and see the mechanics and the way they clear. Vet Mode is very doable, my only gripe would be some of the meshing mechanics, but that is for another discussion.

Xjcon · November 2015

It's w/e. I'm glad plenty of people enjoy the challenge. I don't care to spend that many resources trying to complete. I don't play FOTM class, I play Stam and Magicka DK. I love playing my Magicka DK I can push my DPS. But my fingers aren't as nimble as they used to be and I *** up. The arena punished bad play, and I'm ok with that. I want the master destro staff to complete my setup BUT.....where am I going to really use it? In trials? Those are old and outdated and no longer fun.

In a few months when new content rolls out I'm sure I'll have my staff, but I'm in no rush to dump my gold in to the arena.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · November 2015

I play mag DK. I love difficulty of VMA. Still havent cleared coz i dont have urge or endurance for 10 hours attempt. Every day i do one new boss. I dont use synergies. Basically when i master boss i dont die on him anymore or if i do its not more than couple of times. For example now i am on boss six and for first five i need 35 minutes. Still will need couple hours for every new boss. So obviously for me its not about being hard its about learning mechanics and setting up my bars properly.
For people who love challenge VMA is only content left. People who love more casual content have whole game but VMA.

Alcast · November 2015

Nirnrot wrote: »

I can't wait to try it when it comes to console! I saw your videos @Alcast do you think the Werewolf is needed with the Stam Sorc or does it just make it easier because of the damage and regen? I am currently not a werewolf, but after seeing your video, I am seriously considering it.

You are very excited, but I can tell you you will go into rage mode once you try it. the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking. I cannot tell you how much disappointed I am of ZOS here bc then I get banned, but you can find a fancy comment here > https://youtu.be/1GpxoPdGcaA

Sometimes I really would like to cut my veins open, that is how hard the arena is. Also bugs/latency issues/broken mchanics do NOT make it easier.

Your question, You do not need Werewolf, but it makes a few fights drastically easier as they are only half as long. @FENGRUSH occasionally streams (http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush) and he uses 2H and bow on 2nd bar. He uses Overload ulti for ranged dps whenever he is low on resources. He also got a youtube channel but not sure if he has uploaded vids from arena there.

Nikkor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It is doable, did it now on 2 Stam chars (I think I am still the only dude that actually completed it with stam) and it is ffreaking hard, no idea how even an "good" player can beat that stuff lol

If its too hard, grind up a Magicka Sorc and then easy mode.

how many champion points do you have?

I have the maximum aviable CP so 501.

Lettigall · November 2015

VMA is for elite players to farm elite gear and compete each other for better standings on leader board. It's no place for casuals and good players with wrong classes and builds...

azoriangaming · November 2015

I think it doesn't need a nerf once you've completed it you'll know what to do to get through it, what I believe though it's class balances that need looking into as I think it's more of a class issue than actually how hard the arena vet is.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · November 2015

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

I think it doesn't need a nerf once you've completed it you'll know what to do to get through it, what I believe though it's class balances that need looking into as I think it's more of a class issue than actually how hard the arena vet is.

100% agree Milo .
It will be extremely hard to reach class and driver ( stam / mag ) balance. That kind of balance is not about nerfing or buffing some mobs that kind of ballance should have being in mind while designing whole thing - so basically even i agree i dont think it will be possible in full extent.
Dont forget its about competition . Every nerf will make content easier not just for classes who are struggling but easier as well for sorcs who will benefit out of it as well.

Septimus_Magna · November 2015

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

I think it doesn't need a nerf once you've completed it you'll know what to do to get through it, what I believe though it's class balances that need looking into as I think it's more of a class issue than actually how hard the arena vet is.

Most things tend to be easy once you know how to do it, sure.

Balancing classes based off performance in a solo arena would completely mess up class balance in groups.

Sorcs and NBs are designed towards solo/small group play while DKs and Templars excel in larger groups.

iliatha · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking

i dont feel like its that horrible as stamina class, you need like 6 skills to complete no matter what class you play. Vigor/Rally heals and dodging does its job once you got enough stam reggen. Magicka builts might be easier but you cant just look at leaderboards. Everyone hears "oh its so hard only sorc got a easy time" of course many people are trying to do it on sorc first so... Stage 7 Boss & some endboss things where the only things that drove me crazy

Your videos inspired me btw, thx for sharing.

FENGRUSH · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Nirnrot wrote: »

I can't wait to try it when it comes to console! I saw your videos @Alcast do you think the Werewolf is needed with the Stam Sorc or does it just make it easier because of the damage and regen? I am currently not a werewolf, but after seeing your video, I am seriously considering it.

You are very excited, but I can tell you you will go into rage mode once you try it. the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking. I cannot tell you how much disappointed I am of ZOS here bc then I get banned, but you can find a fancy comment here > https://youtu.be/1GpxoPdGcaA

Sometimes I really would like to cut my veins open, that is how hard the arena is. Also bugs/latency issues/broken mchanics do NOT make it easier.

Your question, You do not need Werewolf, but it makes a few fights drastically easier as they are only half as long. @FENGRUSH occasionally streams (http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush) and he uses 2H and bow on 2nd bar. He uses Overload ulti for ranged dps whenever he is low on resources. He also got a youtube channel but not sure if he has uploaded vids from arena there.

Nikkor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It is doable, did it now on 2 Stam chars (I think I am still the only dude that actually completed it with stam) and it is ffreaking hard, no idea how even an "good" player can beat that stuff lol

If its too hard, grind up a Magicka Sorc and then easy mode.

how many champion points do you have?

I have the maximum aviable CP so 501.

Thanks - I havent put a video up yet but I probably should have at this point. Ive run it like 25+ times on stam sorc, I usually do it at least once every night on stream at this point, trying to get a sharpened 2hander.

The worst part of the arena is getting around bugs we all know exist and are not intended, despite how melee unfriendly many of these mechanics are. Theres literally many bosses with 3 anti melee skills and then I go overload doing half damage vs magicka counterpart without shields and have virtually 0 risk as it throws out PBAOEs. Its a complete joke.

All in all, as a stamina you have to learn how to minimize risk against broken mechanics. Theyve been known inside PTS for weeks before it came live. I made them very clear to ZOS as they watched me test the arena on stream a lot.

No acknowledgement so far from ZOS. No caring.

But change is inevitable - and it would be appreciated by many if it was communicated sooner rather than later.

asneakybanana · November 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Nirnrot wrote: »

I can't wait to try it when it comes to console! I saw your videos @Alcast do you think the Werewolf is needed with the Stam Sorc or does it just make it easier because of the damage and regen? I am currently not a werewolf, but after seeing your video, I am seriously considering it.

You are very excited, but I can tell you you will go into rage mode once you try it. the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking. I cannot tell you how much disappointed I am of ZOS here bc then I get banned, but you can find a fancy comment here > https://youtu.be/1GpxoPdGcaA

Sometimes I really would like to cut my veins open, that is how hard the arena is. Also bugs/latency issues/broken mchanics do NOT make it easier.

Your question, You do not need Werewolf, but it makes a few fights drastically easier as they are only half as long. @FENGRUSH occasionally streams (http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush) and he uses 2H and bow on 2nd bar. He uses Overload ulti for ranged dps whenever he is low on resources. He also got a youtube channel but not sure if he has uploaded vids from arena there.

Nikkor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It is doable, did it now on 2 Stam chars (I think I am still the only dude that actually completed it with stam) and it is ffreaking hard, no idea how even an "good" player can beat that stuff lol

If its too hard, grind up a Magicka Sorc and then easy mode.

how many champion points do you have?

I have the maximum aviable CP so 501.

Thanks - I havent put a video up yet but I probably should have at this point. Ive run it like 25+ times on stam sorc, I usually do it at least once every night on stream at this point, trying to get a sharpened 2hander.

The worst part of the arena is getting around bugs we all know exist and are not intended, despite how melee unfriendly many of these mechanics are. Theres literally many bosses with 3 anti melee skills and then I go overload doing half damage vs magicka counterpart without shields and have virtually 0 risk as it throws out PBAOEs. Its a complete joke.

All in all, as a stamina you have to learn how to minimize risk against broken mechanics. Theyve been known inside PTS for weeks before it came live. I made them very clear to ZOS as they watched me test the arena on stream a lot.

No acknowledgement so far from ZOS. No caring.

But change is inevitable - and it would be appreciated by many if it was communicated sooner rather than later.

Wish we could trade maelstrom weapons

have 3 sharp 2h now a maul an axe and a sword still not even a poorly trained destro or resto has dropped for me though.

Sallington · November 2015

Besides there being bugs and being very melee unfriendly, vMA is hard for all the wrong reasons. It is literally just normal mode, but they buffed mob HP and damage like 4x. Nothing else is different, at all. That has to be the most lazy, boring way to increase difficulty.

And then they throw ridiculous RNG for the best weapons in the game behind it. Of course there's no PvP equivalent, or even any v16 gear for AP, but that's a whole different gripe altogether.

FENGRUSH · November 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Nirnrot wrote: »

I can't wait to try it when it comes to console! I saw your videos @Alcast do you think the Werewolf is needed with the Stam Sorc or does it just make it easier because of the damage and regen? I am currently not a werewolf, but after seeing your video, I am seriously considering it.

You are very excited, but I can tell you you will go into rage mode once you try it. the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking. I cannot tell you how much disappointed I am of ZOS here bc then I get banned, but you can find a fancy comment here > https://youtu.be/1GpxoPdGcaA

Sometimes I really would like to cut my veins open, that is how hard the arena is. Also bugs/latency issues/broken mchanics do NOT make it easier.

Your question, You do not need Werewolf, but it makes a few fights drastically easier as they are only half as long. @FENGRUSH occasionally streams (http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush) and he uses 2H and bow on 2nd bar. He uses Overload ulti for ranged dps whenever he is low on resources. He also got a youtube channel but not sure if he has uploaded vids from arena there.

Nikkor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It is doable, did it now on 2 Stam chars (I think I am still the only dude that actually completed it with stam) and it is ffreaking hard, no idea how even an "good" player can beat that stuff lol

If its too hard, grind up a Magicka Sorc and then easy mode.

how many champion points do you have?

I have the maximum aviable CP so 501.

Thanks - I havent put a video up yet but I probably should have at this point. Ive run it like 25+ times on stam sorc, I usually do it at least once every night on stream at this point, trying to get a sharpened 2hander.

The worst part of the arena is getting around bugs we all know exist and are not intended, despite how melee unfriendly many of these mechanics are. Theres literally many bosses with 3 anti melee skills and then I go overload doing half damage vs magicka counterpart without shields and have virtually 0 risk as it throws out PBAOEs. Its a complete joke.

All in all, as a stamina you have to learn how to minimize risk against broken mechanics. Theyve been known inside PTS for weeks before it came live. I made them very clear to ZOS as they watched me test the arena on stream a lot.

No acknowledgement so far from ZOS. No caring.

But change is inevitable - and it would be appreciated by many if it was communicated sooner rather than later.

Wish we could trade maelstrom weapons have 3 sharp 2h now a maul an axe and a sword still not even a poorly trained destro or resto has dropped for me though.

Oh what a lineup! Id try them all :P

asneakybanana · November 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Nirnrot wrote: »

I can't wait to try it when it comes to console! I saw your videos @Alcast do you think the Werewolf is needed with the Stam Sorc or does it just make it easier because of the damage and regen? I am currently not a werewolf, but after seeing your video, I am seriously considering it.

You are very excited, but I can tell you you will go into rage mode once you try it. the Maelstrom arena is the most stamina and melee unfriendly place created by ZOS yet. Also it does favour shieldstacking. I cannot tell you how much disappointed I am of ZOS here bc then I get banned, but you can find a fancy comment here > https://youtu.be/1GpxoPdGcaA

Sometimes I really would like to cut my veins open, that is how hard the arena is. Also bugs/latency issues/broken mchanics do NOT make it easier.

Your question, You do not need Werewolf, but it makes a few fights drastically easier as they are only half as long. @FENGRUSH occasionally streams (http://www.twitch.tv/fengrush) and he uses 2H and bow on 2nd bar. He uses Overload ulti for ranged dps whenever he is low on resources. He also got a youtube channel but not sure if he has uploaded vids from arena there.

Nikkor wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It is doable, did it now on 2 Stam chars (I think I am still the only dude that actually completed it with stam) and it is ffreaking hard, no idea how even an "good" player can beat that stuff lol

If its too hard, grind up a Magicka Sorc and then easy mode.

how many champion points do you have?

I have the maximum aviable CP so 501.

Thanks - I havent put a video up yet but I probably should have at this point. Ive run it like 25+ times on stam sorc, I usually do it at least once every night on stream at this point, trying to get a sharpened 2hander.

The worst part of the arena is getting around bugs we all know exist and are not intended, despite how melee unfriendly many of these mechanics are. Theres literally many bosses with 3 anti melee skills and then I go overload doing half damage vs magicka counterpart without shields and have virtually 0 risk as it throws out PBAOEs. Its a complete joke.

All in all, as a stamina you have to learn how to minimize risk against broken mechanics. Theyve been known inside PTS for weeks before it came live. I made them very clear to ZOS as they watched me test the arena on stream a lot.

No acknowledgement so far from ZOS. No caring.

But change is inevitable - and it would be appreciated by many if it was communicated sooner rather than later.

Wish we could trade maelstrom weapons have 3 sharp 2h now a maul an axe and a sword still not even a poorly trained destro or resto has dropped for me though.

Oh what a lineup! Id try them all :P

I know right lol. Have gotten 2 bows on top of that and not a single other category of weapon. Have gotten 1 or 2 more 2h on top of those with poor traits. Too bad I like magicka

tengri · November 2015

It needs to be nerfed. Especially a lot of the one-shot mechanics/attacks need to go.
That's not "challenging". That's just a lazy excuse for not coming up with some more clever mechanics.

I dont care about "it's for elite players, yadda yadda yadda..". No, it's not. It's for everyone as is the whole *** game.
And everyone needs to be able to complete all content eventually, not only professional no-lifers who can train and "work" on it 10+ hours per day.

kuscoe · November 2015

tengri wrote: »

It needs to be nerfed. Especially a lot of the one-shot mechanics/attacks need to go.
That's not "challenging". That's just a lazy excuse for not coming up with some more clever mechanics.

I dont care about "it's for elite players, yadda yadda yadda..". No, it's not. It's for everyone as is the whole *** game.
And everyone needs to be able to complete all content eventually, not only professional no-lifers who can train and "work" on it 10+ hours per day.

You dont need 10 hours a day to get good at arena

Just a good build, common sense, and an understanding of dps and your class

Takes me roughly an hour to complete vma

fanta · November 2015

It is hard for the first 1~5 runs, if you spend time trying and learning the mechanic, the next run you will feel it's easier than the previous run. I like the challenge and I think ZoS shouldn't nerf it, they should fix some bug mechanic for some rounds tho, like the strangler that pulls player to him in stage 3 for example. And also reduce the damage of the archers.

kuscoe · November 2015

fanta wrote: »

It is hard for the first 1~5 runs, if you spend time trying and learning the mechanic, the next run you will feel it's easier than the previous run. I like the challenge and I think ZoS shouldn't nerf it, they should fix some bug mechanic for some rounds tho, like the strangler that pulls player to him in stage 3 for example. And also reduce the damage of the archers.

Uugh archers but only like a 15% reduction to damage

ralonasan · November 2015

LEARN THE MECHANICS

Alcast · November 2015

just went trhough with Stam NB. 1 death......1h10min. Bolstering darkness OP+Shadow Image...Crematorial guard hits like a wet noodle.
and you know why I died? because f..: FLOWER stage 7 *** me.

fanta · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

just went trhough with Stam NB. 1 death......1h10min. Bolstering darkness OP+Shadow Image...Crematorial guard hits like a wet noodle.
and you know why I died? because f..: FLOWER stage 7 *** me.

What was your gear setup? mind if you share it with me?

Alcast · November 2015

fanta wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

just went trhough with Stam NB. 1 death......1h10min. Bolstering darkness OP+Shadow Image...Crematorial guard hits like a wet noodle.
and you know why I died? because f..: FLOWER stage 7 *** me.

What was your gear setup? mind if you share it with me?

check the vid, only one small change, i changed attributes so that I have 21k HP. so taht gave me 21k hp and 31k stamina and 14k magicka with tristat food.

https://youtu.be/eFciBEIduMg

Alucardo · November 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

No Nerf November!

You're amazing @RAGUNAnoOne
I heart you so much right now #NoNerfNovember

Alucardo · November 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

But change is inevitable - and it would be appreciated by many if it was communicated sooner rather than later.

Lol communication. Good one. There's coffee all over my keyboard now

FENGRUSH · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

just went trhough with Stam NB. 1 death......1h10min. Bolstering darkness OP+Shadow Image...Crematorial guard hits like a wet noodle.
and you know why I died? because f..: FLOWER stage 7 *** me.

It is inevitable. Floor 7 adds and boss and grossly easy. If you have shields, you might lose focus on this floor due to how easy it is at range - but you wont need to worry because shield will cover you along the way.

Boss only has threatening anti melee skills. Flowers destroy stam builds badly. Mechanics are complete joke on boss. Starts its AOE before minion can put up shield - skill in transit like his stomp will deal 25k+ damage if he enrages after the skill was launched because bad mechanics. This whole floor is a mess and anti melee. Its the most poorly designed floor of them all IMO.

It drives me nuts.

Alucardo · November 2015

PaddingtonBear wrote: »

what does this mean? lol does it even have any relation to November?

Check my signature man

KanedaSyndrome · November 2015

No.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2015

I keep making it to stage 6 with my magic DK. Each time I do the vet arena I get to that point quicker with less deaths. The day is close when the RNG with those dang spider spawns and totems will be in my favor! Lol. I don't want it nerfd. Maybe tweak some of the RNG but not nerf it.

I'm so close I can taste it lol.