My spell damage is lower than a friend with the exact same setup

GnGEmpire · November 2015

Hi guys, was wondering what might be the reasons for a big different in spell damage.

We both have the exact same gearset, play the same class, same race, same abilities on bar, same mundus stone, yet I reach a max of 3500 SPD fully buffed, while she's hitting the 4K mark. Are there any other factors in the game that affect your tooltip spelldamage?

GnGEmpire · November 2015

I am referring to a friend by the way (with the 4k spell damage). Forgot to mention that.

Reverb · November 2015

Passive abilities and champion points come to mind first.

Inig0 · November 2015

same weapons too?

Ommy71 · November 2015

Same location too?

Sallington · November 2015

Cyrodil buffs?

OrphanHelgen · November 2015

same quality of both weapons and gear? enchants in rings?

Xeven · November 2015

if (playerName == "GnGEmpire")
{
spellDamage = spellDamage * 0.8;
}

GnGEmpire · November 2015

@Reverb champion points do not affect spell power to the best of my knowledge
@Inig0 yes same weapons
@ommyboy yes same normal PvE locations
@Sallington was a normal PvE zone and cyrodiil buffs don't apply there to the best of my knowledge
@OrphanHelgen Yes both same quality and rarity. Only difference is i have purple spell power glyphs on jewelry pieces and she has gold, so that should be a total of about 42 spell damage, which still doesn't explain 500.

Reverb · November 2015

GnGEmpire wrote: »

@Reverb champion points do not affect spell power to the best of my knowledge
@Inig0 yes same weapons
@ommyboy yes same normal PvE locations
@Sallington was a normal PvE zone and cyrodiil buffs don't apply there to the best of my knowledge
@OrphanHelgen Yes both same quality and rarity. Only difference is i have purple spell power glyphs on jewelry pieces and she has gold, so that should be a total of about 42 spell damage, which still doesn't explain 500.

CP affects max magic which impacts spell damage. Also, you referenced tooltip damage. That can certainly be impacted by champion points. If I dump a bunch of points into Thurmaturge or Blessed, the skills impacted by those points will have a higher tooltip value than they did before.

GnGEmpire · November 2015

Reverb wrote: »

GnGEmpire wrote: »

@Reverb champion points do not affect spell power to the best of my knowledge
@Inig0 yes same weapons
@ommyboy yes same normal PvE locations
@Sallington was a normal PvE zone and cyrodiil buffs don't apply there to the best of my knowledge
@OrphanHelgen Yes both same quality and rarity. Only difference is i have purple spell power glyphs on jewelry pieces and she has gold, so that should be a total of about 42 spell damage, which still doesn't explain 500.

CP affects max magic which impacts spell damage. Also, you referenced tooltip damage. That can certainly be impacted by champion points. If I dump a bunch of points into Thurmaturge or Blessed, the skills impacted by those points will have a higher tooltip value than they did before.

You are right that CP affects max magicka and that more CP is more damage, but i'm not talking about the tooltip damage of abilities. I'm talking purely about the raw spell damage that can be viewed at the character screen

Reverb · November 2015

GnGEmpire wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

GnGEmpire wrote: »

@Reverb champion points do not affect spell power to the best of my knowledge
@Inig0 yes same weapons
@ommyboy yes same normal PvE locations
@Sallington was a normal PvE zone and cyrodiil buffs don't apply there to the best of my knowledge
@OrphanHelgen Yes both same quality and rarity. Only difference is i have purple spell power glyphs on jewelry pieces and she has gold, so that should be a total of about 42 spell damage, which still doesn't explain 500.

CP affects max magic which impacts spell damage. Also, you referenced tooltip damage. That can certainly be impacted by champion points. If I dump a bunch of points into Thurmaturge or Blessed, the skills impacted by those points will have a higher tooltip value than they did before.

You are right that CP affects max magicka and that more CP is more damage, but i'm not talking about the tooltip damage of abilities. I'm talking purely about the raw spell damage that can be viewed at the character screen

Sorry, I guess I was thrown off by your having asked this:

GnGEmpire wrote: »

[snip]. Are there any other factors in the game that affect your tooltip spelldamage?

Furor · November 2015

Could you provide screenshots of each?

GnGEmpire · November 2015

Furor wrote: »

Could you provide screenshots of each?

I could only provide a screenshot of my own stats, which I doubt would be of much use.
I'm just trying to figure out if I missed anything that can impact raw spelldamage so significantly

Function · November 2015

GnGEmpire wrote: »

Furor wrote: »

Could you provide screenshots of each?

I could only provide a screenshot of my own stats, which I doubt would be of much use.
I'm just trying to figure out if I missed anything that can impact raw spelldamage so significantly

Are your jewelry enchants the same? If you don't have 174 spell damage on each of your jewelry peices and she does that is a big difference.

GnGEmpire · November 2015

@Function Yeah man I mentioned above that I have 160 spell damage on each piece and she has 174 on each piece which is a 42 spell damage different, but the difference between us is literally 500

Asayre · November 2015

A screenshot of your stats and buffs might be useful to see what you're missing perhaps. Was she standing near a templar and you weren't?

Resipsa131 · November 2015

I think it might be the gold enchants and the passives that work off those enchantments. I know it seems like a lot but I recently improved my torug's pact swords to gold, and my jewlry enchants to gold and my spell damage shot up by several hundred.

Function · November 2015

GnGEmpire wrote: »

@Function Yeah man I mentioned above that I have 160 spell damage on each piece and she has 174 on each piece which is a 42 spell damage different, but the difference between us is literally 500

Ah, my bad.. didn't see it up there. That is really weird.

Preyfar · November 2015

There's currently a bug that affects /some/ players using dual wield, and cause one of the sets to not properly add up numbers. We worked it out in another thread and did a bunch of analysis, reported it to ZOS.

The way the bug works: you have two weapons, both Toruq's. Equip both, and you'll get the weapon/magicka damage added to your total, but NOT the damage from both items being part of a set. It doesn't seem to affect everyone, but it is pretty common.

GnGEmpire · November 2015

@Asayre here's a screenshot with my buffed spell damage mate, if it's of any use (Major sorcery on). Without it I'm at 2948.

imgur.com/gjgcZOI

@Preyfar my DW weapons are actually 1x kagrenac and 1x torug's. Does the bug still apply in this case?

PS: I just realized that I don't have the Divines trait on my 1x Molag Kena piece which would add a few more points of spell damage, but no where near a 500 difference

purple-magicb16_ESO · November 2015

Does your friend use Mezeluth's ring at all? Don't know why but Mezeluth's Ring gives better spell dmg than other rings of higher level, higher quality and that are supposed to give more spell dmg. Just a suggestion.

GnGEmpire · November 2015

@purple-magicb16_ESO thanks for the tip but to answer your question we both use identical gear, and the jewelry is willpower

Resipsa131 · November 2015

Are all your attributes in magicka?

Anasatsudo · November 2015

Sounds like there is a difference in CP arrangements and enchants. That is the likely cause.

fanta · November 2015

Is your friend a sorc? if yes, the more sorc skills on her skill bar, the more spell damage % is increased. check the sorc passive, there is a passive where you get 2% extra spell damage for each sorc skill slotted. I think that's the reason.

EDIT: I just saw your screen shows that you are a NB, and I think your friend is a sorc.

Reverb · November 2015

You've been given lots of potential reasons for the difference. The truth is, we have know way to know what the actual reason is without seeing the gear, attributes, stats etc. from both of you. A screencap using the my build Addon would be most helpful, again - from both of you. Without that, we're just projecting and grasping at straws.

Resipsa131 · November 2015

Is your friend in cloak when checking spell power?

Cuyler · November 2015

fanta wrote: »

Is your friend a sorc? if yes, the more sorc skills on her skill bar, the more spell damage % is increased. check the sorc passive, there is a passive where you get 2% extra spell damage for each sorc skill slotted. I think that's the reason.

EDIT: I just saw your screen shows that you are a NB, and I think your friend is a sorc.

This^
and as others were saying any buffs from outside sources like spell power cure, Templars illuminate passive, etc., I know it may be obv but was a potion active?

OrphanHelgen · November 2015

hmm anyone mentioned mundus stones yet?

odiasuda · November 2015

Do you guys have the same hairstyle?