icontested wrote: »

ianshere82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS made a commitment to allow each player pick any class and play their way but have not followed up on that.

The latest example is the templar spear shards. Why is there no other ability in the game that can regen stamina like shards?

No other class can be an effective healer since you cut stamina regen during blocking.

Can something be done about this? Yes...you can add stamina regen to energy orb from undaunted skill tree for example.

Lets make it happen fast please. My blood mage is absolutely not happy since IC came out. I have been waiting patiently but enough is enough.

Master restoration staff can regen stamina

That does not help the group.

ianshere82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS made a commitment to allow each player pick any class and play their way but have not followed up on that.

The latest example is the templar spear shards. Why is there no other ability in the game that can regen stamina like shards?

No other class can be an effective healer since you cut stamina regen during blocking.

Can something be done about this? Yes...you can add stamina regen to energy orb from undaunted skill tree for example.

Lets make it happen fast please. My blood mage is absolutely not happy since IC came out. I have been waiting patiently but enough is enough.

I beg to differ. I see the potential for at the very least a decent healer in Magicka Nightblades, and that is not hindered by not being able to regen Stamina while Blocking.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ianshere82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS made a commitment to allow each player pick any class and play their way but have not followed up on that.

The latest example is the templar spear shards. Why is there no other ability in the game that can regen stamina like shards?

No other class can be an effective healer since you cut stamina regen during blocking.

Can something be done about this? Yes...you can add stamina regen to energy orb from undaunted skill tree for example.

Lets make it happen fast please. My blood mage is absolutely not happy since IC came out. I have been waiting patiently but enough is enough.

I beg to differ. I see the potential for at the very least a decent healer in Magicka Nightblades, and that is not hindered by not being able to regen Stamina while Blocking.

I am not talking about raw healing output numbers. I AM a magicka NB - the point we are talking about is stamina regen and how every player thinks there are no effective healers besides Templars simply because of spear shards and the stam regen. I have healed my fair share of dungeons including vet coa, and norm wgt/ip - there are other isues with magicka nb that i dont want to get into as far as healing goes including range but the point here is the conception that without spear shards you are simply not going to give the group the regen they need - now either this is one of two things happening

1) the game is just fubar'd and either everyone needs access to a shard equivalent, OR

2) almost every tank and dps have their builds wrong and should focus more on regen

with that being said, alot of the tanks i come across have over 2k regen and 25k stam pools....so i tend to believe it is the first option

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

A good tank (at least dk and nb, don't know about the others) is still able to sustain his ressources even when the healer does nothing but healing. And you shouldn't underestimate mystic orbs for tanks. On my dk popping an orb will allow my to get nearly 20% of my max stamina back (Undaunted passive + spending the magicka on earthen heart skills).

Mystic orb does not regen stam...It is magicka only. Same as Energy Orb. The only difference is Mystic orb gives a burst of magicka ontop of the over time, however the orb itself does no healing unless it is Energy orb, also adds more magicka based on healing done.

Oh I see what you are talking about. Helping Hands passive gives 5% stam when activating any ability from that tree, and those abilities cost magicka. Seems like a huge time sink, and complicated when compared to shards to make that work.

How many seconds are we talking about here, 5 total? While adds are spawning and the tank may or may not have other things to do rather than worry about my slow orb coming to him, using synergy, then spamming earthen heart skills..

On the other side all you have to do for shards is use the synergy when it is placed right next to the tank, done.

Now there is another option here as well - make the orb a targetable, stationary ability instead of a forward floating ball. But still seems like it uses up extra time...

Not exactly what I would call equal...

SirDopey wrote: »

Just throwing it out there, but maybe don't try and make a healer out of a sorc, NB or DK, just throwing it out there....

...But in all seriousness, I immediately leave any PUG dungeon group when I see the healer isn't a Temp...

idk how long you been playing ESO but before the game even launched (on PC) it was touted as one of the few MMO that shrugged off the "holy trinity" of tank, heal, damage classes - in other words your class gave you access to certain abilities but it did not lock you in to a specific playstyle (this is why you can wear any armor on any class)

and mostly, it has been true - until IC and the stamina regen breaking

If ESO wishes to discontinue being a unique game in this regard then it should be stated as such, dont you think?

I bought this game on that premise - been a subscriber for that premise. Making a new character is such a painstaking process, leveling up mounts, bag space, collecting lorebooks, skyshards, etc....

I play one character, and a NB, because thats what i want to do - call me crazy, but dont tell me to roll a templar

As to you leaving a group who does not have a Templar healer, thats on you. Seems very narrow minded and not really in the spirit of Elder Scrolls, generally speaking. I have no problems putting out heals and this post is not in regards to that. It is however in regards to stamina regen which was changed approx 2-3 months ago and deserves to get a look at in regards to the performance of that rollout and group play. I do not think it is asking too much.

ianshere82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS made a commitment to allow each player pick any class and play their way but have not followed up on that.

The latest example is the templar spear shards. Why is there no other ability in the game that can regen stamina like shards?

No other class can be an effective healer since you cut stamina regen during blocking.

Can something be done about this? Yes...you can add stamina regen to energy orb from undaunted skill tree for example.

Lets make it happen fast please. My blood mage is absolutely not happy since IC came out. I have been waiting patiently but enough is enough.

Okay you can have shards but them make temlpar shields/defense, mobility and damagebuffs, dps, passives, and ressource management equal to other classes

ianshere82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS made a commitment to allow each player pick any class and play their way but have not followed up on that.

The latest example is the templar spear shards. Why is there no other ability in the game that can regen stamina like shards?

No other class can be an effective healer since you cut stamina regen during blocking.

Can something be done about this? Yes...you can add stamina regen to energy orb from undaunted skill tree for example.

Lets make it happen fast please. My blood mage is absolutely not happy since IC came out. I have been waiting patiently but enough is enough.

No offence but seriously get over it.

There will never be A MASTER CLASS that can do everything.

I cannot do mana DPS like a sorc can either.

Solution? Lvl a SORC (or whatever) for DPSing.

Who cares that no other class can be as effective a healer?

No class can be as effective a stam dps, mana dps as others either.

Sandmanninja wrote: »

There is a difference between "everyone DPS and do some self healing" and Veteran Imperial City Prison (or some such).

Sure, EVERY class CAN heal, tank or dps, but they won't be the 'best in slot' for that role.

I remember an early video of devs running a dungeon. No dedicated tank or healer and they did a good job. Mind you, it was on normal and I do remember some deaths.

For best performance, take the self-healing aspect away from the damage dealers and let them min/max their dps spec. Take away most/all of the damage dealing aspects of healers, and they will have an amazing array of skills at their disposal.

AGREEEEEE!!!! (and not like Templars have a huge amount of worthy DPS skills anyway, we have a couple, but that's it.)

So many people just cannot seem to play their chosen role too.

For example, wtf on earth is a Sorc in a DPS role running around casting restostaff stupidward when I (the templar) have the lowest health in the group even when we're all at full health?

1. You're not the healer so use your mana to DPS
2. It'll always be on me due to lowest full health even and since group is almost always at full health wtf you need to cast it at all? *grrr*
3. Why you wanna waste mana on that and not be DPSing and when we're all at full health anyway?

Oh gee thanks for the healz. Wanna go ahead and cast blood altar whilst you're at it?