Game Needs a Gear Check

Conquistador · November 2015

Pretty tired of bad healers and tanks who lack the gear to be able to mitigate or maintain a mana pool for heals. There should be a way to see what people are actually wearing to determine how viable and useful they'll be in a dungeon.

SirDopey · November 2015

Pretty tired of Healing DPS that can't sustain their stamina without shards and get mad when they die standing in AoE.... or my favorite, throwing down caltrops and aggroing the entire room and then crack it with the tank for not taunting.....

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't an elitist only game. If your standards are that high then why don't you just group with other elitists you happen to know?

Conquistador · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't an elitist only game. If your standards are that high then why don't you just group with other elitists you happen to know?

If you're going to comment, at least try and add something constructive. This diatribe makes me feel ashamed I've quoted it.

EDS604 · November 2015

i agree on the caltrops and aoe part, but imo shards and orbs should be in the standard rotatation of a healer. healers are supposed to support aside from the healing part. if i would have to drop dps for more sustain, bosses wouldn't go down fast enough, making the fight harder and last longer then needed. one or two callouts for shards or orbs ain't a bad thing imo.

daemonios · November 2015

Conquistador wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't an elitist only game. If your standards are that high then why don't you just group with other elitists you happen to know?

If you're going to comment, at least try and add something constructive. This diatribe makes me feel ashamed I've quoted it.

He's right, though. I run endgame content as both dd and tank, and have gotten pretty lousy groups. But on the one hand gear doesn't tell you if a player can do his job (many people power-leveled their way to v16 and picked up a cookie-cutter build from some site), and on the other hand it's preferable if some players would actually take time to explain the dos and donts rather than "I'm not taking you of you don't have the gear/achievement" stance.

Frenkthevile · November 2015

i'm a healer that uses orbs, shards, manadrain, repentance: i want a gear-check too, i'm tired of DDs with no idea of what's a rotation or no FTC...

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

as I said the last time a discussion like this came up, if you want to know someones gear or build grow a pair and ask them directly, it ain't that hard. if you can't get the courage to do that then you have no right to complain.

Justice31st · November 2015

Conquistador wrote: »

Pretty tired of bad healers and tanks who lack the gear to be able to mitigate or maintain a mana pool for heals. There should be a way to see what people are actually wearing to determine how viable and useful they'll be in a dungeon.

Lol @ leaving out the majority of the population in your QQ thread; the DPS

Iluvrien · November 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

as I said the last time a discussion like this came up, if you want to know someones gear or build grow a pair and ask them directly, it ain't that hard. if you can't get the courage to do that then you have no right to complain.

This. Be an adult and ask directly if it bothers you.

That way you have a chance evaluate their gear, and they have a chance to evaluate you based on having asked the question. Fair's fair.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

Pretty tired of people who only consider other players in terms of "viability" and "usefulness". How about enjoying playing with others ? I prefer a dungeon run with a good cooperation and atmosphere (even if we don't make it) than a dungeon run with strict judging people (even if we make it).
Luckily, good atmosphere and cooperation usually achieve more than gear checks and judgements, thus success is usually there too (unlike with people judging/kicking/replacing/complaining/requiring/demanding and ultimately fail at everything).

Zorrashi · November 2015

I have always been of the mind that if you have certain high standards, then you should communicate with those whom you trust to meet those standards (i.e. not pugs). You know, the ones who likely have similar standards. Like your friends or your guild mates.

Advocating for a features that easily leads to mass harassment (like an inspect feature) just seems detrimental to the game.

You have your style of player and that's fine, play the way you want to play. But we shouldn't implement a tool that would most likely (will) be used to harass or forcefully coerce them to play to your standards. That's like forcing a PvE player to PvP--no one likes it. The key is to find like-minded players. The ones that you can simply ask what they're wearing and will answer truthfully precisely because they share your values.

Remember: it is ok to have your standards, it is not ok to impose them on others.

Tholian1 · November 2015

As more and more gear becomes bind on pickup, I am guessing your pool of well geared players is going to get even more shallow.

i3ig_Gun · November 2015

This game doesnt need WOW Crutches...

I really with people would STOP bringing the crutches WoW uses to keep there player base happy...

"Just give it to them, they shouldnt have to earn anything"

"Nerf everything so we can all be good"

Jitterbug · November 2015

LFG puts you with randoms.

Beesting · November 2015

Some people can solo veteran dungeons, you can always carry the lesser geared and abled though the dungeon

I did a run with a level 17, the dungeon was scaled to vr16 and he came in with the group finder

My first thought was kick him but he turned out to be a pretty handy tank, so i was glad to have him even if he did not much dps

Reverb · November 2015

I do not support player inspection in ESO. In my experience, inspection makes a game community more toxic. I don't give 2 figs what OP or any other random thinks of my build. It works for me, and it works for my guild groups.It's a regular part of conversation with the handful of people who's opinion I value.

And I don't usually care about anybody else's build either. if neither my pve nor pvp guilds are doing anything, I run with pledge pugs, multiple times a day with different groups. Working with sub-optimal groups has made me a better, more adaptive player. And I'd like to think that I've helped others improve as well. The improvement seldom has anything to do with gear, but skill rotation, positioning, combat awareness, and mechanics. Things they would never get an opportunity to learn if they were kicked because of player inspection. .

Beastnas · November 2015

Play with guild/friends who you know to be good, that's really the only solution here.

You can't join random groups and expect everyone to be good.

ColoursYouHave · November 2015

Is it just me, or does it seem like the person who tries to blame somebody else for their shortcomings is often the one who is truly underperforming?

Jura23 · November 2015

I disagree, because it's not possible to determine something like that from the gear. If you think you can do that, you're wrong.

Gelassenheit · November 2015

I personally really dislike the generalized term "healer" for dungons and trials and the like. I like to think of it more like a "support" role. Helping the team by providing sustain through shards / blue balls / siphon spirit / ele drain / repentance / radiant aura / whatever else, providing minor sorcery, minor berserk, or even nova, warhorn, or barrier in certian situations. Doing the job of healing allies, and doing some DPS when all other things are looked after.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2015

It's not a healers jobs to drop shards Tanks should be about to maintain Stamina with or without pots I have a new 5 Heavy 2 Light Dragon Knight Tank I pride the guy on not needing Stamina from an outside source. With stamina and magic drinks I hit 2k stamina regen with an Argonian, so for all the PvE min/maxers that play a race for one role you should be able to do better.

You should make you build to be as self sufficient as possible no reason a Tank can't have high regen, no reason why your DPS or Healer can't take a hit or why healers can't get a kill in. Playing your role and only being able to live when you have three other people with you is not good.

Speely · November 2015

I would like an attitude check so I could know whether or not I was grouping with someone who is so obsessed with achievement that they can't be bothered to communicate with others about things.

UrQuan · November 2015

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Is it just me, or does it seem like the person who tries to blame somebody else for their shortcomings is often the one who is truly underperforming?

If by "often" you mean "usually" then yes, that matches with my experience. In my experience the people who are the most concerned about making sure everyone else in the group is max level/has the best gear/has load of CPs/whatever are usually so concerned because they need the rest of the group to carry them.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

If the Tank dies its the Healers fault. If the Healer dies its the Tanks fault and if the DD dies the DD does not do enough DPS!

Tolmos · November 2015

Conquistador wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't an elitist only game. If your standards are that high then why don't you just group with other elitists you happen to know?

If you're going to comment, at least try and add something constructive. This diatribe makes me feel ashamed I've quoted it.

What he said was crude, but it was pretty on point. The fact is: your way of thinking is not a popular one within the community of this game, and not a direction either the game developers (seen by the lack of gear check) and the majority of the game community (seen by the lack of requests for gear check) really want.

This is just not that kind of game. Sorry. :-\

lolo_01b16_ESO · November 2015

Conquistador wrote: »

Pretty tired of bad healers and tanks who lack the gear to be able to mitigate or maintain a mana pool for heals. There should be a way to see what people are actually wearing to determine how viable and useful they'll be in a dungeon.

Pretty tired of people who think that gear/stats equals skill.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If the Tank dies its the Healers fault. If the Healer dies its the Tanks fault and if the DD dies the DD does not do enough DPS! he needs to watch his environment and move out of red circles.

Fixed it

Troneon · November 2015

SirDopey wrote: »

Pretty tired of Healing DPS that can't sustain their stamina without shards and get mad when they die standing in AoE.... or my favorite, throwing down caltrops and aggroing the entire room and then crack it with the tank for not taunting.....

@SirDopey
Or healing at 30k+ HPS with over 2 million heals in a fight and DPS still taking another 10 mins to kill the boss, so you end up being tank, healer and dps....but it's still the healers fault that DPS sucks...even with half your bars having damage skills as well...

It's always the healers fault..

NateAssassin · November 2015

tfw tank uses hundings rage and magnus

Yes, I have seen that before. Lets just say me and the other DPS did more tanking than he did.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · November 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

If the Tank dies its the Healers fault. If the Healer dies its the Tanks fault and if the DD dies the DD does not do enough DPS! he needs to watch his environment and move out of red circles.

Fixed it

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That was supposed to be the joke :P

Troneon · November 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

It's not a healers jobs to drop shards Tanks should be about to maintain Stamina with or without pots I have a new 5 Heavy 2 Light Dragon Knight Tank I pride the guy on not needing Stamina from an outside source. With stamina and magic drinks I hit 2k stamina regen with an Argonian, so for all the PvE min/maxers that play a race for one role you should be able to do better.

You should make you build to be as self sufficient as possible no reason a Tank can't have high regen, no reason why your DPS or Healer can't take a hit or why healers can't get a kill in. Playing your role and only being able to live when you have three other people with you is not good.

This ^^