Xeven wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Surprise Attack* (no other ability, just Surprise Attack*) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Surprise Attack does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.

Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina. http://esoacademy.com/skills/surprise-attack/

Edit: I meant Surprise Attack, not ambush lol

FREE NB TIP #2:

If you ambush before every wrecking blow, they will always be immobilized long enough for your wrecking blow to connect AND it will boost it by 20% AND if the first wrecking blow knocks them out of range, don't even sweat bro, your next ambush will get you right back in range for the next round of cheese. It's just like chasing a fooking golf ball in circles happy gilmore style, but hey if they ever fight back for even a second, remember to cloak and run away ok bro?

Just so you don't get confused I wrote the macro for you here:

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This lesson on how to Nightblade has been brought to you by Uncle Xeven.

I'm on about Surprise Attack though, as I got mixed up in the beginning of this topic but thanks Uncle Xeven!.... lol

Mauz wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

***. You can tell I don't play NB's..

I meant Surprise Attack

Thats obvious. Surprise Attack does only stun from stealth or being invisible.

And your sig, man, hope that should not be what it looks like :-/

Huh?

And it isn't from stealth/invis, that's an intended stun. I'm talking about a 1.5 sec "stun" because of it being a gap closer, It's what Surprise Attack DOES normally to a moving Target, here on console. (Not sure if PC too)

OP said surprise attack, it still says surprise attack.

Ambush is not surprise attack, surprise attack isn't a gap closer. Thanks for the advice attempt, I guess.

It's hard recording what I mean because

Xeven wrote: »

And I changed the OP when I discovered my mistake of calling it Ambush instead of Surprise Attack, sorry.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

that should only stun you if it hits you from stealth or while the Nb is cloaked. If it does otherwise it is bugged and needs reporting ASAP, as that would make the ability extremely OP.

You're right. It does stun when the NB comes out of stealth. I play PvP about every other day on my Templar, and I have not had the issue the OP is referring too. Possibly what happened to the OP is the NB re-cast cloak and hit him out of it using Surprise Attack which can also stun him too. He couldn't BoL possibly because he, 1. Was lagging and didn't see the stun in time or 2. No Stamina to break stun. Now obviously he can't stun when you have the immunity effect active.

This is why I have a stack of Detect pots when I know a NB is near, its like clipping a birds wings. Once you pop the Detect pot, a NB source of momentum is heavily shafted, he cannot stun you from range and hes de-buffed when not stealthed.

On one occasion, (which prompted me to create this topic) the other day, a NB did 5+ consecutive Surprise Attacks on me and I couldn't get one single BoL off... seriously.

This is why unstoppable pots are nice. I prefer pots immovability to buff versions, since the buffed versions cost a huge amount of resources and are so brief.

SneaK wrote: »

OP, I believe you are mistaken.

Surprise Attack is normally a Stamina NB's main source of DPS. It only stuns from stealth, and after that it grants CC immunity.

I believe you meant Ambush, which also stuns, and sometimes can stun repeatedly.

The rotation is normally Ambush (stun), surprise attack spam followed, guy gets up and tries to flee, Ambush, surprise attack spam, execute.

I would imagine the recaps mainly read Surprise Attack and that is why you believe that is what is constantly stunning you, but it's not.

My Death Recap doesn't lie though

The last 5 abilities of my death were Surprise Attacks. They locked me up.. but it's okay, ya'll don't have to believe me... I'll just try and capture it happening next time to make it into a video.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Mauz wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

***. You can tell I don't play NB's..

I meant Surprise Attack

Thats obvious. Surprise Attack does only stun from stealth or being invisible.

And your sig, man, hope that should not be what it looks like :-/

Huh?

And it isn't from stealth/invis, that's an intended stun. I'm talking about a 1.5 sec "stun" because of it being a gap closer, It's what Surprise Attack DOES normally to a moving Target, here on console. (Not sure if PC too)

You're talking about Ambush now. Surprise Attack and Concealed Weapon are morphs of Veiled Strike. They aren't gap closers, they're spamable DPS. Ambush and Lotus Fan are morphs of Teleport Stike, are gap closers, and have a 1.5 second immobilize.

Whether or not you play NB or know these names doesnt matter though. They know WTF you are talking about theyre just playing stupid.

Look, I don't play a Nightblade. I don't care what their ability really does, but what I know it does, is that it continuously locks my character up from being able to heal or even move once it's being spammed against me.

Like I said, it doesn't matter the name, theyre playing stupid. Im with you. There is a know issue (to players) where you can stun lock with surprise attack.

You did say gap closer recently though. Thats ambush. Thats all I'm saying.

Maaaaaaaaan ...

Nightblades.

I just hit 3K wep damage without any buffs on my Stamblade.

I need more for this to work, I guess.

If it was Ambush you can blame the 1.5 second immobilize on all gap closers for this one. I didn't realize it at the time but I've seen NB's spam ambush and only ambush so your completely helpless while his buddies do the killing. Correct me if I'm wrong but Ambush and Lotus Fan are the only gap closers that can be spammed at point blank range too there's no minimum distance which adds to the problem.
Teleport Strike and it's morphs shouldn't get a free pass on this because its a teleport.

If it was Surprise Attack doing the stunning then tbh I don't have a clue how that happened I've never experienced this on either end before. Buga everywhere wouldn't be SURPRISED if this is another one.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

OP, I believe you are mistaken.

Surprise Attack is normally a Stamina NB's main source of DPS. It only stuns from stealth, and after that it grants CC immunity.

I believe you meant Ambush, which also stuns, and sometimes can stun repeatedly.

The rotation is normally Ambush (stun), surprise attack spam followed, guy gets up and tries to flee, Ambush, surprise attack spam, execute.

I would imagine the recaps mainly read Surprise Attack and that is why you believe that is what is constantly stunning you, but it's not.

My Death Recap doesn't lie though

The last 5 abilities of my death were Surprise Attacks. They locked me up.. but it's okay, ya'll don't have to believe me... I'll just try and capture it happening next time to make it into a video.

One does not simply believe the death recap.
I run a combat log and the stuff that killed me isn't on the recap every time.

I don't know if it's different on console, but on PC you need to use stealth or cloak to stun someone with surprise attack or concealed weapon and it wil grant immunity as any other stun.

Just use AoE attacks, I am a templar and I spam steel turnado (sometimes blazing spear). Sorc are still the biggest cowards.
AoE attacks don't work on Sorc because they have their bolt(fart) escape.( by which we have to run and chase them that ultimately lead to our defeat)

Perhaps the point at which the skill heals you doesn't come fast enough while they continue to spam their gap closer at you at 0 range - which silences you. It's a lovely feature and fully intended by the combat team - just undocumented and thus not widely known.

It was a lazy fix to a problem, and of course they haven't bothered to fix the issue properly. Who cares since the ones who suffer the most from it are people who are being outnumbered, and we definitely don't want people to actually have a chance to fight back outnumbered, right? [/sarcasm]

Here's also another thread about gap closers... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225499/gap-closers/p1