Is there a reason why shields are not ctittable and dottable?

Huggalump · November 2015

I have a stam sorc archer build that completely relies on dots and crits, so most magicka builds I just have to run away from, haha. It's silly.

I mean, imagine a magicka dk. WTF are they even supposed to do?

I'm not even asking for shields to be nerfed. Make them crittable and dottable, then readjust their values from there. That's fine. I've just never understood the logic of why shields absorb damage AND negate huge mechanics from the game. Is there a reason for that?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · November 2015

I thought they were gonna. I coulda sworn they said they would in the patch,but guess they flaked out of that yet again.

I cannot beat any form of magicka build. I just can't no matter how hard I try, and its aggravating. Of course some of the snootier types I know would tell me 'omg you have to use this and this and this and this and you can't be individual at all you have to conform to the we R borg playstyle".

Well *** you. I'd rather stick with what I feel comfortable with than devolve into one of those spam monkeys. Plus at least I'm comfortable with dying. I go into the thick expecting to die. Some of these sissy specs like shield stacking and infinite evasion these players are just cowards.

Vangy · November 2015

Yeah they need to make shields crittable and vulnerable to any kind of procs such as flame vulnerability for vamps/camo hunter etc. ( don't know if this already works), no reason why those full magicka spell power stacked 14k hp sorcs should be walking around strutting 20k shields and not get one shot by my stealth QQ spam. If your running a glass cannon you should shatter into a gazillion pieces when u get smashed. Not strut around shield spamming.

Rhazmuz · November 2015

Crits you could make a case for, but why should dots effect shields?

Its a barrier, a forcefield, not flesh which can bleed.

MrDerrikk · November 2015

#SorcMasterClass I guess...

Vangy · November 2015

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Crits you could make a case for, but why should dots effect shields?

Its a barrier, a forcefield, not flesh which can bleed.

Ignoring realism, dots are already useless enough agaisnt magicka builds because of purge and cloak. Why make them even more useless by not letting them affect shields.

Julianos · November 2015

How can you crit a damage absorb shield lol its a somekind of force field it has no weak spot or something, in real rpg you crit by hitting oppenents weak spots like neck or from behind or the gaps between armors. For me it would be nonsense but im ok with dot

Tankqull · November 2015

Vangy wrote: »

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Crits you could make a case for, but why should dots effect shields?

Its a barrier, a forcefield, not flesh which can bleed.

Ignoring realism, dots are already useless enough agaisnt magicka builds because of purge and cloak. Why make them even more useless by not letting them affect shields.

none bleeding dots affect shields. but using them is pretty useless as 1k dmg/s against 10k shields doesent sweat the shield user...

Sausage · November 2015

Finally someone says whats really wrong with this game and its blocking. You can easily win WB players but go ahead and try to win some shield blocker. I think one should be able to break blocking, Ive even think if they plan to add new weapon skill trees, maybe one of them should focus on blocking-breaking or then add it to Support/Assault Skill Tree.

Waseem · November 2015

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

Dracane · November 2015

Shields are dotable since a long time......

Fat_Cat45 · November 2015

Seeing as how physical or spell resist do not apply to damage shields, it seems fine to me. Any attack you do against a shield is technically 'pure' damage

Stx · November 2015

Yeah.. I don't get it. Shields are basically an extension of your health pool. Suddenly becoming immune to crits AND dots is absolutely imbalanced.

There are builds, especially dragonknights, who specialize in DoTs, and there are builds of course that specialize in criticals. How can one shield spell basically wipe away all the set bonuses, champion points, armor passives, everything you worked towards building that 50-70% crit? Absolutely stupid.

It's not the only imbalanced thing in the game though, and as long as you have a game with no cooldowns, that allow you to tweak your stats as much as this game does with champion points/gear, there will always be imbalance.

remilafo · November 2015

Huggalump wrote: »

I have a stam sorc archer build that completely relies on dots and crits, so most magicka builds I just have to run away from, haha. It's silly.

I mean, imagine a magicka dk. WTF are they even supposed to do?

I'm not even asking for shields to be nerfed. Make them crittable and dottable, then readjust their values from there. That's fine. I've just never understood the logic of why shields absorb damage AND negate huge mechanics from the game. Is there a reason for that?

they are dottable and crittable .. so idk whats going on for you? or the player you were fighting?

also shields are weaker than the player since the players defenses do NOT carry over to their shields. AKA a players shields don't have any armor or spell resistance hence why shield tanking doesn't work nearly as well as straight up hp tanking.

ku5h · November 2015

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

What are you talking about????
First off, this skills you just mentioned, what do they have to do with shields? Did you get lost, maybe, were you trying to comment on "nerf cloak" or something...
Secondly, only way to kill shield stacker, is to burst him down with, as you put it, 10k weapon dmg, and not the other way around...
So yea, all you said is totaly non relevant or false...

Huggalump · November 2015

remilafo wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

I have a stam sorc archer build that completely relies on dots and crits, so most magicka builds I just have to run away from, haha. It's silly.

I mean, imagine a magicka dk. WTF are they even supposed to do?

I'm not even asking for shields to be nerfed. Make them crittable and dottable, then readjust their values from there. That's fine. I've just never understood the logic of why shields absorb damage AND negate huge mechanics from the game. Is there a reason for that?

they are dottable and crittable .. so idk whats going on for you? or the player you were fighting?

also shields are weaker than the player since the players defenses do NOT carry over to their shields. AKA a players shields don't have any armor or spell resistance hence why shield tanking doesn't work nearly as well as straight up hp tanking.

are you sure about this? Have you tested it? I haven't tested it, but the common knowledge is that they aren't dottable or crittable. But a few people in the thread have said they are. Can someone post something to confirm?

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Crits you could make a case for, but why should dots effect shields?

Its a barrier, a forcefield, not flesh which can bleed.

because gameplay

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

whoaaaaa dude, relax.

Vangy · November 2015

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

*Facepalm*

Wha... How... Uh .... nvm..

danno8 · November 2015

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

Like I always say, if you want to beat a Sorcerer shield stacking, use RML, Elemental Drain and revealing flare.

It just makes sense.

Vangy · November 2015

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

Also ur god like ingenious build with radiant magelight, elemental drain and revealing flare is not gona get you any kills.....Also not going to do anything against a 14k hp sorc with 3k+ weapon damage and 40k magicka with 25k shield stack spam. He's going to skip and dance around your .... Ingenious build while u run out of resources just trying to break his shield.

Levo18 · November 2015

Another nerf sorc QQ thread aahh good times...

Just use the OP and BROKEN shield breaker set like everyone else and noob tube thru shields problem solved.

Huggalump · November 2015

Levo18 wrote: »

Another nerf sorc QQ thread aahh good times...

Just use the OP and BROKEN shield breaker set like everyone else and noob tube thru shields problem solved.

dude, I am a sorc...

Rylana · November 2015

Shields have no resistances from armor

Thread answered.

Huggalump · November 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Shields have no resistances from armor

Thread answered.

You're the literal first person to offer an actual response to the OP, haha. Thanks.

I'd rather see them add resistences to shields but make them crit/dottable. But if it's true they don't have resistence, then I guess that is sort of a reason

Xeven · November 2015

They also consume global cooldowns and all that that entails. It's an active defense, unlike simply stacking resistances.

Kammakazi · November 2015

Why do people insist on nerfing the Sorcerer so much? We aren't even OP.

I bet the people complaining are the same ones who:

Have Wrecking Blow & Executioner as their ONLY damage ability
Spam Cloak
Spam Snipe

Every class has their own aspect of "annoying" and "op"

So stop

Merlight · November 2015

Axorn wrote: »

How can you crit a damage absorb shield lol its a somekind of force field it has no weak spot or something, in real rpg you crit by hitting oppenents weak spots like neck or from behind or the gaps between armors. For me it would be nonsense but im ok with dot

I'm indifferent to whether they change the mechanics or not. However, that argument alone shouldn't negate all suggestions to change it, since in a fantasy setting you can come up with explanation for almost anything. How about this: if you critically hit a shield, that hit can apply a status effect. Like if you have a poisoned blade, the force field stops the blade, but the poison gets through. Or make the critical damage portion (50% + bonuses to critical damage) go through... yes that might be pretty OP, I'm just throwing some ideas

Huggalump · November 2015

Kammakazi wrote: »

Why do people insist on nerfing the Sorcerer so much? We aren't even OP.

I bet the people complaining are the same ones who:
Have Wrecking Blow & Executioner as their ONLY damage ability

Spam Cloak

Spam Snipe

Every class has their own aspect of "annoying" and "op"

So stop

holy ***, do people even read threads before posting anymore?

remilafo · November 2015

Huggalump wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

I have a stam sorc archer build that completely relies on dots and crits, so most magicka builds I just have to run away from, haha. It's silly.

I mean, imagine a magicka dk. WTF are they even supposed to do?

I'm not even asking for shields to be nerfed. Make them crittable and dottable, then readjust their values from there. That's fine. I've just never understood the logic of why shields absorb damage AND negate huge mechanics from the game. Is there a reason for that?

they are dottable and crittable .. so idk whats going on for you? or the player you were fighting?

also shields are weaker than the player since the players defenses do NOT carry over to their shields. AKA a players shields don't have any armor or spell resistance hence why shield tanking doesn't work nearly as well as straight up hp tanking.

are you sure about this? Have you tested it? I haven't tested it, but the common knowledge is that they aren't dottable or crittable. But a few people in the thread have said they are. Can someone post something to confirm?

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Crits you could make a case for, but why should dots effect shields?

Its a barrier, a forcefield, not flesh which can bleed.

because gameplay

Waseem wrote: »

keep crying on forums yes.. always put your rage on forums
take this example..i go to Cyrodiil
among say 50 players?
only me using these skills:
1)radiant mage light
2)elemental drain
3)sometimes revealing flare
when was the last time you used any of these skills in pvp?
do you have 10k weapon damage and 400 stamina recovery? thats your problem
there is way too many skills to encounter any class
the problem is YOU who choose to use a stupid 5-6 skills because he saw that this guy is using it in his build that he published on the internet.
Less QQ more PEW PEW PLZ

whoaaaaa dude, relax.

Yes i am sure they are crittable and dotable. This was fixed in the Imperial city DLC big patch.

Before that you are correct they were NOT crittable but they were always dottable.

Some people don't read patch notes and keep on spreading VERY VERY old meta from long ago. Like only templars can heal or only dragon knights can tank... rubbish.

I_killed_Vivec · November 2015

Axorn wrote: »

How can you crit a damage absorb shield lol its a somekind of force field it has no weak spot or something, in real rpg you crit by hitting oppenents weak spots like neck or from behind or the gaps between armors. For me it would be nonsense but im ok with dot

Why shouldn't a magical lava whip find a weak spot in a magical shield?

Why shouldn't magical fire burn away at a magical shield?

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2015

can someone post the patchnotes of Zos implementing sheild being crit-able. pretty sure zos has not implemented this, they thought about it but it didnt go through

pretty sure dots are also not working on sheilds. only initial damage from twin slashes works.

i wanna see the evidence not a comment.

i use a crit build and agsinst sorcs my damage is trash. which leadsme to believe they can not be crit'd.

Ezareth · November 2015