Free Tip for Nightblades

Molag_Crow · November 2015

If you repeatedly spam Surprise Attack* / Ambush on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Surprise Attack does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.

Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina. http://esoacademy.com/skills/surprise-attack/

Edit: I meant that Surprise Attack does it, even though Ambush spam is a problem

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2015

I just wish Toppling/Explosive Charge were as reliable as Ambush. The Templar charge just has a propensity to lock you out of skills/actions, and doesn't activate as reliably. I wish it were a 'golden ambush' :P

Molag_Crow · November 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I just wish Toppling/Explosive Charge were as reliable as Ambush. The Templar charge just has a propensity to lock you out of skills/actions, and doesn't activate as reliably. I wish it were a 'golden ambush' :P

Same $:\$ and sometimes when I'm chasing a Sorc with Toppling, I'd be spamming it and it will be trying its hardest to register & lock, so I'll delay behind while the Sorc can get away, on laggy-ish occasions.

lolo_01b16_ESO · November 2015

Tip for Templars: If you repeatedly spam explosive charge on a nb, he can't cloak.

TheBull · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

Molag_Crow · November 2015

TheBull wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

Honestly, it does. And you know what? I can't even prove it to you unless I recorded the footage of the NB Ambush-spamming me, whilst recording my finger on the R1 button of my controller, because Breath of Light's icon doesn't even attempt to glow (outline) like as if it's been pressed. Ambush completely locks you out of every spell with a character animation.

MisterBigglesworth · November 2015

i think it's actually a snare. Atleast that's what I've heard people complaining about regarding Ambush.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

A snare would just slow you down, this literally stuns you in place but a stun that isn't considered a stun, therefore there's no animation of it being a stun, other than your character just standing completely still like as if they've been frozen for a split second, unable to cast anything.

eliisra · November 2015

TheBull wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

That's not what he means. All gap glosers have brief "mini stun" or interrupt, when they hit an opponent, not affected by cc immunities. I honestly think it's a bug. Why you cant do *** in zergy fights, not even move or roll, break cc, when multiple players spam gap glosers on you. You're perma stunned.

However, most gap closers cant be used in close mele range, why you cant keep spamming for example Critical Rush on a player and keep him locked. The skill only works when there's X range between you and target.

Again, this isn't some Ambush exclusive issue, it's all gap closers doing this crap and ZoS needs to fix it. Just that Ambush can be used in mele range, making it possible to spam only that.

I personally have more troubles with the hidden mini-stuns from gap closer when hunted by a full enemy raid/zerg.

MisterBigglesworth · November 2015

Sounds like a bug.
Put BoL on a different button (I guess you need R1 for recording?) and have a Nightblade test it with you.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Sounds like a bug.
Put BoL on a different button (I guess you need R1 for recording?) and have a Nightblade test it with you.

R1 is BoL, it doesn't matter what slot it's in... ambush does it to other classes too, I think.. it's always done it, it's the same effect as Teleport strike I think

Molag_Crow · November 2015

eliisra wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

That's not what he means. All gap glosers have brief "mini stun" or interrupt, when they hit an opponent, not affected by cc immunities. I honestly think it's a bug. Why you cant do *** in zergy fights, not even move or roll, break cc, when multiple players spam gap glosers on you. You're perma stunned.

However, most gap closers cant be used in close mele range, why you cant keep spamming for example Critical Rush on a player and keep him locked. The skill only works when there's X range between you and target.

Again, this isn't some Ambush exclusive issue, it's all gap closers doing this crap and ZoS needs to fix it. Just that Ambush can be used in mele range, making it possible to spam only that.

I personally have more troubles with the hidden mini-stuns from gap closer when hunted by a full enemy raid/zerg.

Thanks for clearing that up because that makes sense.. gap closers are the problem for this "bug" causing perma stuns, definitely.

MisterBigglesworth · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Sounds like a bug.
Put BoL on a different button (I guess you need R1 for recording?) and have a Nightblade test it with you.

R1 is BoL, it doesn't matter what slot it's in... ambush does it to other classes too, I think.. it's always done it, it's the same effect as Teleport strike I think

LOL What?! You're saying you can't cast BOL with the triangle, square, or circle buttons?

Can anyone else confirm this? Sounds like nonsense to me...

Molag_Crow · November 2015

***. You can tell I don't play NB's..

I meant Surprise Attack

Molag_Crow · November 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Sounds like a bug.
Put BoL on a different button (I guess you need R1 for recording?) and have a Nightblade test it with you.

R1 is BoL, it doesn't matter what slot it's in... ambush does it to other classes too, I think.. it's always done it, it's the same effect as Teleport strike I think

LOL What?! You're saying you can't cast BOL with the triangle, square, or circle buttons?

Can anyone else confirm this? Sounds like nonsense to me...

I meant Surprise Attack btw ~ http://esoacademy.com/skills/surprise-attack/

If the Nightblade does Surprise Attacks in a row, one after enough, non-stop, then yes -- I can't cast ANYTHING.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

I'll try and put a video together to prove what I mean

Cody · November 2015

that should only stun you if it hits you from stealth or while the Nb is cloaked. If it does otherwise it is bugged and needs reporting ASAP, as that would make the ability extremely OP.

KundaliniHero · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

Honestly, it does. And you know what? I can't even prove it to you unless I recorded the footage of the NB Ambush-spamming me, whilst recording my finger on the R1 button of my controller, because Breath of Light's icon doesn't even attempt to glow (outline) like as if it's been pressed. Ambush completely locks you out of every spell with a character animation.

It immobilizes enemy players for 1.5 seconds per cast which suggests you cant move. To translate: you get to watch the bear eat you alive.

pjwb16_ESO · November 2015

eliisra wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Ambush (no other ability, just Ambush) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Ambush does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina.

No OP, no it doesn't... The stun is only PvE....

That's not what he means. All gap glosers have brief "mini stun" or interrupt, when they hit an opponent, not affected by cc immunities. I honestly think it's a bug. Why you cant do *** in zergy fights, not even move or roll, break cc, when multiple players spam gap glosers on you. You're perma stunned.

However, most gap closers cant be used in close mele range, why you cant keep spamming for example Critical Rush on a player and keep him locked. The skill only works when there's X range between you and target.

Again, this isn't some Ambush exclusive issue, it's all gap closers doing this crap and ZoS needs to fix it. Just that Ambush can be used in mele range, making it possible to spam only that.

I personally have more troubles with the hidden mini-stuns from gap closer when hunted by a full enemy raid/zerg.

Eric Wrobel's team implemented that because of the stuck in gap closer charge bug, which was induced by the target of the gap closer moving while you tried to charge it, so they made this kind of root to solve this without thinking about what would follow due to it

AllPlayAndNoWork · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you repeatedly spam Surprise Attack* (no other ability, just Surprise Attack*) on a Templar, they can't cast Breath of Light (heal) at all - since Surprise Attack does an initial, instant stun that completely ignores CC immunity, so unless the Templar dodge rolls/block it for eternity, until they have no Stamina left, you've dominated them with 1, single ability.

Have a nice day.
Note: Must have a decent amount of Wep Damage and Stamina. http://esoacademy.com/skills/surprise-attack/

Edit: I meant Surprise Attack, not ambush lol

So you mean Stam NB's...... Im ok then......

Waffennacht · November 2015

So THAT's why the weird stun vs zergs. I had noticed prior but not nearly as pronounced.

So this means... what sorcs can't do this right? Our gap closer is streak which does have CC immunity...

Another advantage for NBs

Sentinel · November 2015

@CrowsDescend
I recommend you make a NB to look at the tooltip to see if its doing what you're saying. The surprise attack only stums out of stealth and cloak. You can only attack once out of stealth, so that stun isn't spammable. Additionally, the stun coming out of cloak requires two casts of an ability to work (cloak + surprise attack) to actually stun and it's, in all the times I've played on my NB, obeyed CC immunities. So surprise attack quite literally cannot be spammed to CC. If you're experiencing something else apart from this that you see explicitly goes against this design, then it is a bug, but surprise attack cannot stunlock as you're describing.

pjwb16_ESO · November 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

So THAT's why the weird stun vs zergs. I had noticed prior but not nearly as pronounced.

So this means... what sorcs can't do this right? Our gap closer is streak which does have CC immunity...

Another advantage for NBs

yup indeed

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Sentinel wrote: »

@CrowsDescend
I recommend you make a NB to look at the tooltip to see if its doing what you're saying. The surprise attack only stums out of stealth and cloak. You can only attack once out of stealth, so that stun isn't spammable. Additionally, the stun coming out of cloak requires two casts of an ability to work (cloak + surprise attack) to actually stun and it's, in all the times I've played on my NB, obeyed CC immunities. So surprise attack quite literally cannot be spammed to CC. If you're experiencing something else apart from this that you see explicitly goes against this design, then it is a bug, but surprise attack cannot stunlock as you're describing.

You see, this is why it makes me sound ridiculous but it actually does happen... it's definitely some sort of bug that has never been acknowledged never mind fixed, I guess...

vamp_emily · November 2015

I need another tip:

Not sure the exact name of the skill, but how do you counter DKs claw of death. I constantly get clamped down to the ground, then the DK drops their ultimate on me and I die because I can't get out in time.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

i think it's actually a snare. Atleast that's what I've heard people complaining about regarding Ambush.

I believe the snare is only on Lotus Fan (aoe morph) of the skill. Its why I use Lots Fan on my NB, even though he's generally more Stamina Focused right now. Snares are invaluable in stopping people from getting away. Its the same reason why some people choose to get the Snare-Rush morph of the two hander skill. Sorry I don't recollect its exact name right now. The snare version is very helpful to follow up with other attacks, including a high speed hard cc that you can then follow with a wrecking blow.

Takes-No-Prisoner · November 2015

Cody wrote: »

that should only stun you if it hits you from stealth or while the Nb is cloaked. If it does otherwise it is bugged and needs reporting ASAP, as that would make the ability extremely OP.

You're right. It does stun when the NB comes out of stealth. I play PvP about every other day on my Templar, and I have not had the issue the OP is referring too. Possibly what happened to the OP is the NB re-cast cloak and hit him out of it using Surprise Attack which can also stun him too. He couldn't BoL possibly because he, 1. Was lagging and didn't see the stun in time or 2. No Stamina to break stun. Now obviously he can't stun when you have the immunity effect active.

This is why I have a stack of Detect pots when I know a NB is near, its like clipping a birds wings. Once you pop the Detect pot, a NB source of momentum is heavily shafted, he cannot stun you from range and hes de-buffed when not stealthed.

Cody · November 2015

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

that should only stun you if it hits you from stealth or while the Nb is cloaked. If it does otherwise it is bugged and needs reporting ASAP, as that would make the ability extremely OP.

You're right. It does stun when the NB comes out of stealth. I play PvP about every other day on my Templar, and I have not had the issue the OP is referring too. Possibly what happened to the OP is the NB re-cast cloak and hit him out of it using Surprise Attack which can also stun him too. He couldn't BoL possibly because he, 1. Was lagging and didn't see the stun in time or 2. No Stamina to break stun. Now obviously he can't stun when you have the immunity effect active.

This is why I have a stack of Detect pots when I know a NB is near, its like clipping a birds wings. Once you pop the Detect pot, a NB source of momentum is heavily shafted, he cannot stun you from range and hes de-buffed when not stealthed.

I find things like Radiant magelight work too. It will let me snare the buggers and whale into them before they can stun me.

Master_Kas · November 2015

This is BS. Surprise attack doesn't stun anything unless its from sneak, cloak or clouding swarm.

I use it daily, never occured unless I'm sneaking/invisible when I use the surprise attack.

Cody · November 2015

vamp_emily wrote: »

I need another tip:

Not sure the exact name of the skill, but how do you counter DKs claw of death. I constantly get clamped down to the ground, then the DK drops their ultimate on me and I die because I can't get out in time.

That is Talons. Its a soft CC, you will still be taloned even if you escape.

Its hard dealing with if its a mana DK using it. the best two optionsare purge and roll (PERHAPS dark cloak? May want to check up on that)

Cody · November 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

This is BS. Surprise attack doesn't stun anything unless its from sneak, cloak or clouding swarm.

I use it daily, never occured unless I'm sneaking/invisible when I use the surprise attack.

Same here. I have been hit by it numerous times and only ever got stunned from cloak or stealth(though tbh i think its bs that it still works when affected by radiant magelight, but thats a topic for another thread)