Where's the fire??

Anorak · November 2015

You need to remember that people want to be done with questing I mean after you get through the first 2 zones and do every quest you don't want to see any more of them other than the main story ones because they tend to be lack luster or you are just bored. Quest content will not keep people busy, and happy as the rewards are terrible and a story can not justify the how easy the named npcs are to kill. The fire is at endgame and everyone wants to be there to burn everything to the ground.

Speely · November 2015

Anorak wrote: »

You need to remember that people want to be done with questing I mean after you get through the first 2 zones and do every quest you don't want to see any more of them other than the main story ones because they tend to be lack luster or you are just bored. Quest content will not keep people busy, and happy as the rewards are terrible and a story can not justify the how easy the named npcs are to kill. The fire is at endgame and everyone wants to be there to burn everything to the ground.

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Anorak · November 2015

Speely wrote: »

Anorak wrote: »

You need to remember that people want to be done with questing I mean after you get through the first 2 zones and do every quest you don't want to see any more of them other than the main story ones because they tend to be lack luster or you are just bored. Quest content will not keep people busy, and happy as the rewards are terrible and a story can not justify the how easy the named npcs are to kill. The fire is at endgame and everyone wants to be there to burn everything to the ground.

Well sir if you want to play that game I can assure you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Sting864 · November 2015

lathbury wrote: »

I'm guessing the op doesnt have many v16 alts

I'm guessing some of the "Rushin's" don't read a book more than once, never listen to an album more than 1 time through, or never see a movie more than once. They have never experienced the joy of catching something they missed the first time through. Sadly, these people's lives are only summed up in their destinations, not their journeys....

Sting864 · November 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

"Dude, that's my play style..." Pretty much all players have a style

You're not a player then.

How can you say that when you never experience more than a fraction of the game? Why do you play? To grind? To farm? If I want to do that, I'll stay at work....

Sting864 · November 2015

Anorak wrote: »

You need to remember that people want to be done with questing I mean after you get through the first 2 zones and do every quest you don't want to see any more of them other than the main story ones because they tend to be lack luster or you are just bored. Quest content will not keep people busy, and happy as the rewards are terrible and a story can not justify the how easy the named npcs are to kill. The fire is at endgame and everyone wants to be there to burn everything to the ground.

No, that may be true for you... it's obviously YOUR opinion.... You can hardly speak for "people..."

Sting864 · November 2015

All of this discussion of "play styles" fails to address my original question: Is there a bonus for "rushins?"

Any reasonable person can see that the speediest person in the group dictates the speed of play... So the "rushins" are trying to force their playstyle on the whole group... not vice versa.... if you don't want to play at the speed of the leader, don't join the group... or start your own...

MrDerrikk · November 2015

There is no in-game benefit for rushing through things, other than the speed achievements for certain dungeons and the fact that you level a lot faster.

I think the main reason people are having a lot of trouble with your viewpoint @Sting864 is because the majority of people playing this game are either:

a. People from other MMO's who are used to just grinding to endgame to compete with others
b. People who have multiple alt's and have gotten jaded to the repetitive quests and just want to get to the part of the game that they see as fun (the max-level endgame)
c. People who somehow hate questing.

From what I've seen, you're actually in the minority of people I meet in-game. I actually prefer questing my characters to grinding, but how much time I put into following the quest line depends on how tired I am and/or how many other quests like it I have just done. When I do quests with others, everyone else almost always wants to just rush through and finish it.

NobleNerd · November 2015

Tyrix wrote: »

There's this saying which suits right in threads like this which is: To each of his own.

I'm new to Eso and currently lvl 50, all I wanna do is get to vr16 as fast as possible so I can enjoy the endgame and truely develope myself as a tank by practising in the tougheter content etc, meaning i rush through everything until then.

Sure I do enjoy the story and the rpg which lies in Eso, but i enjoy more to take on hard challenges and ultimately master them.

Unfortunately right now there is no "end game" in ESO and if they ever scale the Trials up to max level that is a sad example of end game.

This game was designed and treated like a single player RPG and thus is expected to be played like one. ZOS reminds of that every time they nerf a grind spot to force us to play their way.

Robo_Hobo · November 2015

As much as I like taking my time exploring things and reading and listening to everything, it's their choice if they want to do the same or not. Putting them down for not wanting to do so makes us no better than the ones who insult us for our choice of playstyle. If they're finding enjoyment out of the game then they're playing it right, no matter which way they choose to play it. Even the types I disagree with most, like this 'ganking' term and whatever else.

They aren't the types I'd be able to get along with though, it'd just lead to an awkward silence, and we may as well be typing in different languages, so I do appreciate whenever I see an in-game player with a lore-friendly name that doesn't go through quests like a speeding bullet and stops to read a book here and there. Due to alts and other playstyles that's become a rare sight indeed.

PBpsy · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

I'm guessing the op doesnt have many v16 alts

I'm guessing some of the "Rushin's" don't read a book more than once, never listen to an album more than 1 time through, or never see a movie more than once. They have never experienced the joy of catching something they missed the first time through. Sadly, these people's lives are only summed up in their destinations, not their journeys....

Quite amazing what conclusions some people can come up with, from virtually no information at all.
I guess these people can amuse themselves endlessly .

Fuzzybrick · November 2015

I listened the first time round, but after that I just wanted to get to end game. After all it's not like my choices effect my character. If my choices effected me profoundly like in xbox fable I probably would, but they don't.

ColoursYouHave · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

ZOS_Racheal wrote: »

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There was no intent by the OP to diss anyone's playstyle, I was merely asking if there was a time bonus for rushing through non-trial dungeons. I am not forcing my playstyle on anyone. I'm merely asking a question and pointing-out the futility of ignoring some of the FEATURES that make ZOS great. If someone can explain how rushing through is a good thing, please do...

I play this game for PVP. That is what I enjoy to do. While your source of enjoyment from this game comes from doing quests and getting immersed into the story, my source of enjoyment from this game comes from fighting other players. So when I have to level up those characters for PVP by doing PVE content, yes, I am going to rush it, and I am going to skip through the dialogue as quickly as possible. As others have said, you don't need "clues" or "answers" from books or dialogue to solve puzzles, there are quest markers that guide you to every single thing you have to do, and I haven't run into a "puzzle" in this game that I couldn't solve by just thinking about it for a good 10 seconds or so. Contrary to what you seem to believe, rushing ahead will not take you longer to finish, and when PVE is nothing more than a chore required to compete in PVP, my goal is to finish as quickly as possible.

As others have said, people have multiple different styles of play, and just because you like to play a certain way doesn't make it any better than the way others choose to play.

Sting864 · November 2015

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guilds of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

MrDerrikk · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guild of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

People don't just make alts for crafting. They make them for trying out different play styles and the like. I like playing a mage character, but I also like playing a sneaky dagger-wielder for instance. This game is awesome because it lets me do both without having to wipe my old save.

UrQuan · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guilds of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

What in the actual hell are you talking about? You think the reason people have lots of alts is so they can get gear? What kind of convoluted leaps of logic did you have to do to come up with that?

People have alts for lots of reasons. Some people have alts because they want to try a different playstyle by playing a different class. Some people have alts because they want to play different races (either for having different builds due to the different racials, or for RP purposes, or just because they like the way the different race look). Some people have alts because they want to experience the story from different perspectives.

You seem to have a serious problem with not being able to understand that different people like different things. And somehow you're the one suggesting that people "address their social problems".

Fuzzybrick · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guilds of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

I don't see what this has to do with your original statement. I like many different play styles and I already took my time once in the game. My 4 other vet toons, got there in 3 days each. As far as the "robust"guild system, I beg to differ. But that's another thread.

ColoursYouHave · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guilds of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

4 classes, one of each stamina and magicka, equals 8 characters. I like to be able to play on my Stamina Nightblade one night, then play on my Magicka Templar another night. The fact that I have alts has nothing to do with getting gear. In fact, I don't know how having alts would even help somebody get gear. You do realize guilds are bound to the account, not the character, right? That means you can only have up to 5 guilds, regardless of whether you have 1 character or you have 8.

If you're gonna make an argument about something, at least come in actually having knowledge on what you're arguing about.

Blud · November 2015

Quests are great the first time through. Maybe even the second. But when you level alts, through the same thing, you tend to want to get through as soon as possible, especially if you want to pvp or just engage in the "endgame" stuff.

AtriasNaradan · November 2015

after all the reading in this thread, i came to a thought that the op was either trolling or having less than average IQ

lathbury · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

I'm guessing the op doesnt have many v16 alts

I'm guessing some of the "Rushin's" don't read a book more than once, never listen to an album more than 1 time through, or never see a movie more than once. They have never experienced the joy of catching something they missed the first time through. Sadly, these people's lives are only summed up in their destinations, not their journeys....

I guess some of the other types only listen to the one album or enjoy reading the same book over and over again.

kenpachi480 · November 2015

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I only do the main quests on my 3rd and 4th chars, to get to Cadwells Gold areas and be able to grind in peace.

Honestly to each their own. If you like questing, that is your thing - I lvl up my other chars to play with my v16 friends and guildies with a different class and role in endgame content.

Cons:
*You don't get access to Cadwells Silver and Gold, and thus miss out on skillpoints, lorebooks and skyshards.
*You will not be able to buy white glyphs and potions from vendors, and is forced to buy them from other players who sells them - because you don't have access to veteran areas, to buy those glyphs and potions.
*In case you grind up your first char, then you will miss out on stories, lore and basic knowledge of the game.
*In case you grind up your first char, you will not be able to compete or play with others of your own level, because you are hopelessly behind in terms of gear and knowledge of the game. People make less friends at grindspots than they do while they quest - so you will also lack a network where you can get advice and help from.

I can see you only relate to your own-reference-pool

your cons are quite liniar sighted mate

a real grinder, doesnt skip zone main quest, doesnt skip main story line, a real grinder becomes lvl 50 in CH, and then moves on to next faction like any other person

grinding from lvl 0 to v12 can be done within 2 days, if you got a grind buddy, and few 100k to invest in xp pots

me_ming · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

ZOS_Racheal wrote: »

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

There was no intent by the OP to diss anyone's playstyle, I was merely asking if there was a time bonus for rushing through non-trial dungeons. I am not forcing my playstyle on anyone. I'm merely asking a question and pointing-out the futility of ignoring some of the FEATURES that make ZOS great. If someone can explain how rushing through is a good thing, please do...

The problem with the OP, is that it comes across as someone who wants to tell everyone how to play the game. You say that you're not imposing how people play their game, but a statement like "If you think that play style makes you look good; just stop... it doesn't." is really very confrontational.

I have not rushed one or two of my characters, but trust me, if you're on your 4th or 5th alt, and you've done every faction's quests, there really is NO point of listening to those conversations as you already know the "answers". If you still like to listen through, then go ahead, that's your choice. More power to you. But I don't think it's fair for you to be calling out people when they want to rush through the content, because they probably already have done it a couple times over.

It's either you're a troll, or you probably are that guy who goes into a delve and listens to everything and someone comes in rush through things and you're left there seating for a few minutes waiting for the boss to re-spawn. I've been there, but you don't see me posting things like this in the forums. lol.

SeptimusDova · November 2015

bad thread lacks content from OP just contrition and angst.
6 VR alts If this one has to listen to the same dialogues over and over again just to get to max level this one will go crazy.You do your thing. Khajiit will do Khajiits thing.

willymchilybily · November 2015

Just because i cant kill the NPCs doesn't mean i have to listen to them. Except for Stibbons, he cracks me up, the rest are one "hero of cold harbor" away from being incinerated.

Sting864 · November 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

I don't think anyone who is experiencing the totality, or at least more, of ESO is judging anyone's style of play... it begs the question of why one feels the need to have 7 alts, when ZOS has provided the playing community with a robust Guild system. A player can be a member of up to five (5) guilds... FIVE... I have been able to find any gear I want in one of my guilds, at a reasonable price... If a person can't get gear crafted by someone across all of the guilds of which he/she is a member... their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

What in the actual hell are you talking about? You think the reason people have lots of alts is so they can get gear? What kind of convoluted leaps of logic did you have to do to come up with that?

People have alts for lots of reasons. Some people have alts because they want to try a different playstyle by playing a different class. Some people have alts because they want to play different races (either for having different builds due to the different racials, or for RP purposes, or just because they like the way the different race look). Some people have alts because they want to experience the story from different perspectives.

You seem to have a serious problem with not being able to understand that different people like different things. And somehow you're the one suggesting that people "address their social problems".

Do you have imaginary monsters in your closet, too? Because you are making problems where there are not any... Did I try to force people to play a different way? No, I tried to understand the logic behind a different playstyle. By telling them to join another group, I was explaining how their playstyle is not a viable group strategy for me and not to force their playstyle on others, as well as showing how that playstyle is counterproductive to them and the whole group... There are not enough hours in the day to play every type of character offered to a significant level. Even if you're rushin' through... It's just not possible. So guess what? You have to make a choice... That's part of the fun... That's not a dig on the "rushin'" playstyle; that just is what it is... Step off and quit making up more problems for your therapist to solve than there already are...

UrQuan · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

Do you have imaginary monsters in your closet, too? Because you are making problems where there are not any... Did I try to force people to play a different way?

Yes you did: "If you think that play style makes you look good; just stop... it doesn't."

Sting864 wrote: »

No, I tried to understand the logic behind a different playstyle.

No you didn't, you made up random reasons about why other people might play differently (reasons that were completely nonsensical, and had absolutely no basis in reality), and then pointed out why those reasons were stupid and people were stupid for having a different playstyle from you. And every single post you've had in this thread has been insulting and condescending to anyone who dares to play in a different way from you. In all honesty, go away and play a single player game. You don't get to dictate how other people play in an MMO, and you clearly can't handle that.

MuddledMuppet · November 2015

Sting864 wrote: »

I If you think that play style makes you look good; just stop... it doesn't.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

I wonder what little insults to people you don't know you actually had in there...

Sting864 wrote: »

Is "bumping" topics to keep them timely a thing here?

rushing to get answers were we?

Sting864 wrote: »

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Hmmm... So either you did Not rush through on your first time through, so you agree with me.... Or you've never read, or listened... which means you have no idea....
Stop whining that people point out how [snip]silly it is to rush through content. Just know that by rushing through content, you split the party... a big no-no... which results in dungeons taking a longer time for you to clear solo... which is counter-intuitive to your "play-style..."
"People can damn well do so if they wish, your choice..." If you rush ahead, it will take you longer to finish... that's not what you wish, is it? If you rush ahead, you defeat the purpose of going in as a party which is not what any of the people who joined the group wish... What makes you think that you're good enough to dictate "style" of play for others?? If that's the case, you can start your own group... Don't harsh my buzz, Dude....

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Moderated again, and still managing to be insulting, gratz.

Tyrix wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

Tyrix wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

Tyrix wrote: »

"The only fish that go where the waters flow are the dead ones..."

There's also this saying: narrow sighted people who wants to force their opinion on others is pathetic.

Not everyone enjoys your type of play style, get over it.

Funny, I've never heard that... I'm sure the original author of that saying new that the singular form of the verb "to be" (that would be "is"...) should agree with the plural subject (people)...

Knew*

get rekt and get over it.

Oh my, oh lordy lordy...

Sting864 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

I'm guessing the op doesnt have many v16 alts

I'm guessing some of the "Rushin's" don't read a book more than once, never listen to an album more than 1 time through, or never see a movie more than once. They have never experienced the joy of catching something they missed the first time through. Sadly, these people's lives are only summed up in their destinations, not their journeys....

Your 'guessing' is so so wrong. I thoroughly enjoy re-reading books, watching films, listening to music, so many things I've done before are sometimes even more enjoyable next time around. re-reading this thread is a prime example.

However, sometimes I like speed runs, sometimes I like to do a dungeon slow with mates, and just enjoy the banter. Y'see, ONE particular liking doesn't define a person, people generally like different things at different times. One of the few things I actually try and do consistently is not make a judgement on who someone is by one single event.

Sting864 wrote: »

their social problems should probably be addressed rather than playing a video game twelve hours a day...

You realy are at risk of a knee injury or something the way you continually leap to conclusions...

Sting864 wrote: »

Do you have imaginary monsters in your closet, too? Because you are making problems where there are not any... Did I try to force people to play a different way? No, I tried to understand the logic behind a different playstyle. By telling them to join another group, I was explaining how their playstyle is not a viable group strategy for me and not to force their playstyle on others, as well as showing how that playstyle is counterproductive to them and the whole group...

You continually try and insult or belittle anyone who wants to play the game different than you and yet you can't see why people find the manner in which you post offensive and confrontational?

Sting864 wrote: »

There are not enough hours in the day to play every type of character offered to a significant level. Even if you're rushin' through... It's just not possible. So guess what? You have to make a choice... That's part of the fun... That's not a dig on the "rushin'" playstyle; that just is what it is... Step off and quit making up more problems for your therapist to solve than there already are...

Rather than imply others have/need a therapist, perhaps you should consider seeing one and resolve your inability to find three other people in a MASSIVELY online game who want to play the same way as you and are willing to do so on a regular basis.

As someone who lots of times has had slow meandering runs thru dungeons with mates, I am 100% sure that if I was with someone displaying your attitudes I'd want to get thru it as quickly as possible too.

ZOS_Alex · November 2015

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