Question on nord religion....

HaldaAinur · October 2015

Okay, so I see that a couple of daedric princes, namely Herma Mora & Malacoth are included in the majority of the wikis regarding the Nordic Pantheon. From what I've see of skyrim and ESOs lore, the nords do not seem to worship these two in particular, or do they? Going off of an interesting article I found and general mentions of the Nordic Pantheon in game, I am lead to believe it is the former.

(article: http://tamrielvault.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-ancient-nordic-pantheon)

As someone who frequently plays as a nord, I am just curious, and I apologise if I put this in the wrong forum.

BabeestorGor · October 2015

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Okay, so I see that a couple of daedric princes, namely Herma Mora & Malacoth are included in the majority of the wikis regarding the Nordic Pantheon. From what I've see of skyrim and ESOs lore, the nords do not seem to worship these two in particular, or do they? Going off of an interesting article I found and general mentions of the Nordic Pantheon in game, I am lead to believe it is the former.

(article: http://tamrielvault.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-ancient-nordic-pantheon)

As someone who frequently plays as a nord, I am just curious, and I apologise if I put this in the wrong forum.

Speaking more of Malacath because I know a bit more about that. They don't worship him (except for a few loonies possibly) but he is part of the pantheon as Mauloch or Orkey/Old Knocker, an enemy god.

GuyNamedSean · October 2015

They don't worship Hermaeus Mora or Malak, no, but they do recognise them as dangerous dieties like us Dunmer.

Nestor · October 2015

Nords worship Mead

Pheefs · October 2015

BabeestorGor wrote: »

an enemy god.

exactly!
less that they worship them as good gods, and more that they are trying to appease the bad gods

HaldaAinur · October 2015

soooo....I mostly got; enemy gods. Cool. By 'appeasing' have they ever sacrificed and such, or just fought them?

HaldaAinur · October 2015

Pheefs wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

an enemy god.

exactly!
less that they worship them as good gods, and more that they are trying to appease the bad gods

Sorry to ask again, but appease...?

Drax76 · October 2015

Give offerings in order to ensure their ill will isn't directed at you.

Lynnessa · October 2015

From what I've gathered, they try to avoid them altogether, not even naming them except when cursing or when afraid or when relating stories.

HaldaAinur · October 2015

Drax76 wrote: »

Give offerings in order to ensure their ill will isn't directed at you.

Got any examples? Just curious.

HaldaAinur · October 2015

Lynnessa wrote: »

From what I've gathered, they try to avoid them altogether, not even naming them except when cursing or when afraid or when relating stories.

Haha, that does sound like them

Yggdrasil_Gof · October 2015

In Skyrim I thought the worshiped the 9 divines. This was partly why the civil war took place, apart from Ulfric wanting to end imperial rule over Skyrim, plus being a racist *** against anyone not a Nord. The high elves had a agreement with the empire banning the worship of Talos, their living god. They claimed Talos born as a living being had no right being a divine, thus ending generations of worship of their god king. I believe the 8, and all other gods in the world are Daedra, or Aedra apart from Talos. Some are just more benevolent than others.
Also many of the gods have more than one name, as in Kyne and Kynarith are the same god. On top of that, (just like real religion), their are, contradictions, different interpretations, and versions of some of the stories and facts pertaining to individual gods. many have a good and a bad side, so for some they are gods, and to others the same god is a demon. Maybe finding out about the 9 divines, Aedra and Daedra, particularly Talos might be a good start. I've got an app on my phone, Collectors Logbook: Skyrim. Apart from listing weapons, plants etc. allowing you to log what you have found, if you are connected to the net you can read all the books too, which is a massive source of Tamriel lore. It's a free unofficial app, and you might have to tag a book to say you found it to read it, (can't remember, sorry). If you're prepared to sort through the books you'll probably find a lot of info there, plus a lot of other interesting lore.

Hope this helps, and anyone is free to correct me, I'm sure my info isn't totally correct.

UrQuan · October 2015

Actually @Yggdrasil_Gof Talos doesn't exist yet. ESO is set during the Interregnum, the time period between true Emperors when the Empire fragmented. The man who would later become Talos is the man who put an end to the Interregnum and united Tamriel into the Empire again.

Nirnrot · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Actually @Yggdrasil_Gof Talos doesn't exist yet. ESO is set during the Interregnum, the time period between true Emperors when the Empire fragmented. The man who would later become Talos is the man who put an end to the Interregnum and united Tamriel into the Empire again.

How awesome would it be to help Talos become emperor in a far off DLC?! That's how they choose to conclude the game or something. Highly unlikely since the alliance war is basically what makes ESO work at its core.

Yggdrasil_Gof · October 2015

@UrQuan

Thanks for clearing that up, I guessed that might be the case. I thought it might have still been a good place to start and then work backwards from. As I said I know some lore, but I'm far from a 100%. That's a nice little bit of info to put things into context. Hope I got most of the rest of it correct.

@Nirnrot

It would make a good DLC, but What would be just as good would be a whole separate offline game where you help Talos reunite the empire. The problem with having it a an ESO DLC would mean PvP would be meaningless as the war you are fighting would technically be over on completing the DLC. Plus as UrQuan said It's sometime in the future from when this game is set. By keeping it separate one story wouldn't have to damage the other. If you had it as a DLC it would be like playing a WWII game with a DLC were you kill Hit'ler and the war is over, it wouldn't quite feel right going back and fighting WWII in PvP knowing you had killed Hit'ler, and ended the war.
(I know Hit'ler isn't spelled that way, but they blanked it).
It's only my opinion of course, but by having as an offline game, you can have a proper conclusion and end to battle like the Skyrim civil war side story. Either way a Talos based storyline would be good.

Drax76 · November 2015

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Drax76 wrote: »

Give offerings in order to ensure their ill will isn't directed at you.

Got any examples? Just curious.

I don't know, and can't imagine, any Tamrielic examples.

In Grecko/Roman pantheon, seafarers would make offerings to Poseidon/Neptune before an ocean voyage in the hopes of warding off storms.

HaldaAinur · November 2015

Drax76 wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Drax76 wrote: »

Give offerings in order to ensure their ill will isn't directed at you.

Got any examples? Just curious.

I don't know, and can't imagine, any Tamrielic examples.

In Grecko/Roman pantheon, seafarers would make offerings to Poseidon/Neptune before an ocean voyage in the hopes of warding off storms.

Thats alright, I was only wondering bc I couldn't remember any examples myself. Thanks!

americansteel · November 2015

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Okay, so I see that a couple of daedric princes, namely Herma Mora & Malacoth are included in the majority of the wikis regarding the Nordic Pantheon. From what I've see of skyrim and ESOs lore, the nords do not seem to worship these two in particular, or do they? Going off of an interesting article I found and general mentions of the Nordic Pantheon in game, I am lead to believe it is the former.

(article: http://tamrielvault.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-ancient-nordic-pantheon)

As someone who frequently plays as a nord, I am just curious, and I apologise if I put this in the wrong forum.

the nords don't even revere alduin as a god to worship either its like malacath and mora are technically enemy of the nords and all races.

I might be butchering this up but imma try it, I think it was ysgramor? who was hunting and was having a hard time tracking his prey I think he said to himself he wished he could hear his prey easier, a rabbit came along this was hermaus mora was watching his every step and he started to grow ears like an elf (change) shortly after this started a fox came along and killed the rabbit this fox was lorkhan or lorkhans will. I might have that story messed up or a name not in the right spot but nords only acknowledge a few daedric princes and consider others not their enemies although dagon and molag bal are enemies of all mortals and nords know this, I seen in skyrim a lore book taking this into account.
the nords worship and favor kyne their true one god over the other divines.