Battle against Sinmur (Spoiler Warning!)

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

How many of you actually defeated Sinmur without collecting any of the Shards of Wuuthgar? If you did, did you have fun fighting Sinmur? It was quite an amusing fight for me (did it in Cadwell's Silver)

Robo_Hobo · October 2015

Same, cadwell's silver, no shards. The way the companions were talking suggested I would need other players to help me defeat him without the shards. Maybe at one point in time of the game.

The fight took a loooooooong time though lol, but I didn't have any threat of dying.

Jorunn is a pro tank. That's the mark of a good leader.

Leggi · October 2015

Simply bad design of the boss.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

Same, cadwell's silver, no shards. The way the companions were talking suggested I would need other players to help me defeat him without the shards. Maybe at one point in time of the game.

The fight took a loooooooong time though lol, but I didn't have any threat of dying.

Jorunn is a pro tank. That's the mark of a good leader.

I'm a Nightblade in Medium Armor, not even 10k Physical Resistance, and the Giant's shockwaves did at most 1/4 damage to me (if they hit). Whats his face that merged with Sinmur was much more threatening, and I was still able to fend him off.

Leggi wrote: »

Simply bad design of the boss.

No, boss was fine. The Pact just underestimated the Vestige

or overrated Sinmur, or both.

Jura23 · October 2015

I dont remember any shards, but I remember that fight took me forever. Maybe I missed something?

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

I dont remember any shards, but I remember that fight took me forever. Maybe I missed something?

Basically you were supposed to go to various places in The Rift and do quests there. You would eventually stumble upon the shards, assuming you went questing after Honrich and before Trolhetta.

Jura23 · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I dont remember any shards, but I remember that fight took me forever. Maybe I missed something?

Basically you were supposed to go to various places in The Rift and do quests there. You would eventually stumble upon the shards, assuming you went questing after Honrich and before Trolhetta.

I did mainstory in both silver and gold, then I went back and completed sidequests. Thats probably the reason.

Shad0wfire99 · October 2015

I've done it a few times. Good way to check your resource sustainability.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

statisticalanomaly13ub17_ESO wrote: »

I've done it a few times. Good way to check your resource sustainability.

Actually I wasn't even using my planned out set, just workin' on Siphoning, Blade Cloak, and Bow.

My setup at the time
Bow: Venom Shot, Scorched Earth, Magnum Shot, Bombard, Swallow Soul (wasn't 38 Bow yet)
Swords: Shadow Cloak, Retreating Maneuver, Power Extraction, Siphoning Attacks, Blade Cloak

So yeah, wasn't even going at it 100% lol

Robo_Hobo · October 2015

I was in the middle of training my restoration staff skill line as well as unlocking morphs for everything, even useless (to me) ones, so I had completely random things on my slots at the time.

It was a good way to learn the uses of abilities I'd have never considered using before though.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

I was in the middle of training my restoration staff skill line as well as unlocking morphs for everything, even useless (to me) ones, so I had completely random things on my slots at the time.

It was a good way to learn the uses of abilities I'd have never considered using before though.

Force Siphon proved quite useful to me on many an occasion, especially morphed into Quick Siphon!

magnusthorek · October 2015

First time I fought him, I collected the shards but I didn't know how to use it in battle due excessive dialog skipping. It was in Cadwell Gold and it wasn't a too hard fight but it was very long fight.

Violynne · October 2015

magnusthorek wrote: »

First time I fought him, I collected the shards but I didn't know how to use it in battle due excessive dialog skipping.

Even with the dialog, I still didn't know how to use them. Playing as a NB, the fight took nearly an hour. The giant wasn't the problem as much as Sinmar was, rebuilding health.

After taking him down, the giant was pretty much run behind pillar (you know, the one with the freaking shard on it right there!), jab, repeat.

Funny thing is, when playing my sorc, I hit YT to figure out how to use the shards. Fight was over in 10 minutes.

I preferred the NB fight. A fight worthy of the NB skills.

For me, the worst fight in the entire game came at the end of Bangkorai. No spoilers but let's just say I'd rather dance with Mannimarco on highest difficulty than go through this again.

Wait. My sorc is in Bangkorai!

21jws10 · October 2015

I got him on my own on my first playthrough as a DK with no shards, dragged like hell, came close to death once or twice.

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2015

most boring fight I ever had, I expected something a bit more I don't know epic. the mage would have been a better challenge

Alucardo · October 2015

I collected one.. wouldn't say it was tough, but it was a really, really long fight. I thought there was a bug or something, until I realised what the shards actually did.

Gidorick · October 2015

LOL. I totally thought "Sinmer"... as in sinful elves.

hmm... The term "Sei'dar" means an act of selfishness in old Ehlnofex. The Seimer (pronounced "sigh-mur") could be a race of elves with horns... skin could range from blues to deep reds. That would be kind of cool.

Their name would mean "The selfish people".

DisgracefulMind · October 2015

Ye, all I did was drop channeled focus and jab, and jab, and jab some more. gg.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · October 2015

Apparently when I first did the quest, the shard objective was bugged to hell, and even if you collected them all you still had to whittle down all 4 quadrillion of his HP. As a tank with laughable DPS it was probably a 30-40 minute fight.

Gidorick wrote: »

LOL. I totally thought "Sinmer"... as in sinful elves.

There's always the Sinismer, the Lefthanded elves of old yokuda who, by Redguard account, did a lot of sinning.

Gidorick · November 2015

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

Apparently when I first did the quest, the shard objective was bugged to hell, and even if you collected them all you still had to whittle down all 4 quadrillion of his HP. As a tank with laughable DPS it was probably a 30-40 minute fight.

Gidorick wrote: »

LOL. I totally thought "Sinmer"... as in sinful elves.

There's always the Sinismer, the Lefthanded elves of old yokuda who, by Redguard account, did a lot of sinning.

Oh that's right @theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO I forgot about the Sinistral Mer. Are they actually called the Sinismer? I don't recall ever seeing that. I like it though!

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · November 2015

@Gidorick I've only seen the shortening used in lore discusssions, never anywhere official as far as I know. But the pun just works so well.

Gidorick · November 2015

Honestly @theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO it's always bothered me that their "name" is a two part name... I like the shortened version. Of course sinistral is an actual word that means "relating to the left side" . So in the context of Mer naming conventions, it doesn't even really make any sense.

Vrienda · November 2015

Did it in Cadwell's silver. The shards wouldn't work for me so I had to whittle him down the old fashioned way.

ontheleftcoast · November 2015

Violynne wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

First time I fought him, I collected the shards but I didn't know how to use it in battle due excessive dialog skipping.

Even with the dialog, I still didn't know how to use them. Playing as a NB, the fight took nearly an hour. The giant wasn't the problem as much as Sinmar was, rebuilding health.

After taking him down, the giant was pretty much run behind pillar (you know, the one with the freaking shard on it right there!), jab, repeat.

Funny thing is, when playing my sorc, I hit YT to figure out how to use the shards. Fight was over in 10 minutes.

I preferred the NB fight. A fight worthy of the NB skills.

For me, the worst fight in the entire game came at the end of Bangkorai. No spoilers but let's just say I'd rather dance with Mannimarco on highest difficulty than go through this again.

Wait. My sorc is in Bangkorai!

If you know the trick that fight is painfully boring. The biggest problem I have is hurting the main villain so much they fail to return for the next round. You have to run all the way back to the start area for the zone to get them to reappear.

To easily win the fight cross the water to the SW. Then come back towards the main battle area. The mobs won't try to follow over water and when you do return they will slowly dribble towards you 2 at a time and are easy pickings with ranged attacks. It also gives you a chance to heal and reset potion cool downs.

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

LOL. I totally thought "Sinmer"... as in sinful elves.

hmm... The term "Sei'dar" means an act of selfishness in old Ehlnofex. The Seimer (pronounced "sigh-mur") could be a race of elves with horns... skin could range from blues to deep reds. That would be kind of cool.

Their name would mean "The selfish people".

"Sinful Mer"... Aren't all Elves guilty of this?

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

LOL. I totally thought "Sinmer"... as in sinful elves.

hmm... The term "Sei'dar" means an act of selfishness in old Ehlnofex. The Seimer (pronounced "sigh-mur") could be a race of elves with horns... skin could range from blues to deep reds. That would be kind of cool.

Their name would mean "The selfish people".

They look an awful lot like Daedra, Gidorick. Funny thing about that, when I first started playing Morrowind, and based upon a couple of the books I read, I had the feeling that Daedra and Elves were distant cousins of one another. Given their propensity to be villainous monsters like Mannimarco, I'm not sure they've shaken that image in my mind. :P

Alukit · November 2015

odd enough i couldn't beat him by using the shards for some reason i would die but when i try again & didn't use the shards i was able to kick his ass but it took forever

abloke999 · January 2016

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

First time I fought him, I collected the shards but I didn't know how to use it in battle due excessive dialog skipping.

Even with the dialog, I still didn't know how to use them. Playing as a NB, the fight took nearly an hour. The giant wasn't the problem as much as Sinmar was, rebuilding health.

After taking him down, the giant was pretty much run behind pillar (you know, the one with the freaking shard on it right there!), jab, repeat.

Funny thing is, when playing my sorc, I hit YT to figure out how to use the shards. Fight was over in 10 minutes.

I preferred the NB fight. A fight worthy of the NB skills.

For me, the worst fight in the entire game came at the end of Bangkorai. No spoilers but let's just say I'd rather dance with Mannimarco on highest difficulty than go through this again.

Wait. My sorc is in Bangkorai!

If you know the trick that fight is painfully boring. The biggest problem I have is hurting the main villain so much they fail to return for the next round. You have to run all the way back to the start area for the zone to get them to reappear.

To easily win the fight cross the water to the SW. Then come back towards the main battle area. The mobs won't try to follow over water and when you do return they will slowly dribble towards you 2 at a time and are easy pickings with ranged attacks. It also gives you a chance to heal and reset potion cool downs.

Thank you for the tip (spoiler), Pytor went up against Sinmar and was able to kill him but then was stomped by the giant (Pytor was trapped between stone stairs and pillars, couldn't dodge or jump anywhere) and killed, so didn't complete. I tried that quest many times and was killed every time.

The next time I attempt it I will try with a combat partner, preferably a resto healer.

Any other tips with this quest?

cheers abloke999