ESO PvP is just zergs now

nimander99 · October 2015

P L A Y M O B A S

Wizzo91 · October 2015

Just wait for CU if you want PVP.

This game is dead at its current state. Broken PVP and non existent endgame PVE. There is literally no working group endgame in this MMO.

IC was huge failure. Orsinium will be the same with absolutely no replay value.

It is all a money grab now from ZoS. Milk the cow with stale content.

A healthy MMO lives from group content, community and guilds. This is how a MMO stays healthy in the long term.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

Sausage wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.

Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.

Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.

Like how you get crushed by Zergs for running head first into them?

imredneckson · October 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Just in the last week:
How to find PvP action in cyrodiil?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373367#Comment_2373367
Anti-zerg Mechanics for each class
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373213#Comment_2373213
Do you think there should be an AoE cap?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2371713#Comment_2371713
Constructive criticism! PvP is lacking
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369480#Comment_2369480
Nerf Zerg damage and healing exponentially
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369146#Comment_2369146
The State of PvP
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2368130#Comment_2368130
Siege weapons - very weak
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2367408#Comment_2367408
Myth AoE Cap
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2363460#Comment_2363460
So, about zerging...
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/225471/so-about-zerging
Steel Tornado Train
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360281#Comment_2360281
Constructive Criticism About Ultimate Gain In PvP.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360393#Comment_2360393
What happened to pvp?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2358676#Comment_2358676
My idea to stop zerging
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2356459#Comment_2356459

I only post here because I want my interest in your game to rekindle.
The AoE cap stacks with battle-leveling. This means groups of 6+ gain a daft 75% damage reduction.
DId you just drop IC and give up on PvP?

Well with ZOS buffing zergs and making them stronger its no wonder why there are less and less solo or small groups playing. PvP is pretty much about numbers and AOEs

Makkir · October 2015

I have said this a million times before, it's your fault for walking in to a Burger King and getting mad they don't serve T Bone Steaks.

As much as I like solo PvP as the next guy, this game was repeatedly advertised as alliance war pvp (aka zergs)

americansteel · October 2015

phairdon wrote: »

Cyrodiil is an alliance war, designed for large scale battles. Not bragging rights about whom is the best 1v1 or 1v5. My 2 cents worth.

some people will never learn this fact.
I think its quite sad

americansteel · October 2015

people complaining about this stupid PC term (zerging) is hilarious I bet the developers are laughing at each post they read about zerg complaints.

its an alliance war which means siege weapons and legions of players, youre taking part in the lore when these big group battles happen.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

imredneckson wrote: »

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Just in the last week:
How to find PvP action in cyrodiil?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373367#Comment_2373367
Anti-zerg Mechanics for each class
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373213#Comment_2373213
Do you think there should be an AoE cap?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2371713#Comment_2371713
Constructive criticism! PvP is lacking
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369480#Comment_2369480
Nerf Zerg damage and healing exponentially
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369146#Comment_2369146
The State of PvP
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2368130#Comment_2368130
Siege weapons - very weak
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2367408#Comment_2367408
Myth AoE Cap
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2363460#Comment_2363460
So, about zerging...
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/225471/so-about-zerging
Steel Tornado Train
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360281#Comment_2360281
Constructive Criticism About Ultimate Gain In PvP.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360393#Comment_2360393
What happened to pvp?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2358676#Comment_2358676
My idea to stop zerging
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2356459#Comment_2356459

I only post here because I want my interest in your game to rekindle.
The AoE cap stacks with battle-leveling. This means groups of 6+ gain a daft 75% damage reduction.
DId you just drop IC and give up on PvP?

Well with ZOS buffing zergs and making them stronger its no wonder why there are less and less solo or small groups playing. PvP is pretty much about numbers and AOEs

Numbers, yes. AoEs, perhaps... but not entirely. We are legions so of course we will have numbers, but everyone fights their own way and not everyone chooses AoE.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Zerg is a real life military tactic. Sometimes it works, like the Normandy Invasion. Sometimes they dont work, like the Zulu's learned from the Brits. Dont get mad. Become one with the zerg. Let the zerg's love flow through you.

You don't get 75% less damage taken IRL.

You also don't respawn, or farm gear or have champion points.

What's your point?

What's your point involving IRL tactics to PvP in a game? none.

usmcjdking · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Zerg is a real life military tactic. Sometimes it works, like the Normandy Invasion. Sometimes they dont work, like the Zulu's learned from the Brits. Dont get mad. Become one with the zerg. Let the zerg's love flow through you.

You don't get 75% less damage taken IRL.

You also don't respawn, or farm gear or have champion points.

What's your point?

What's your point involving IRL tactics to PvP in a game? none.

Because it's literally the same *** as any TDG or wargame scenario? WHY BOTHER WITH THOSE RIGHT?!

briandivisionb16_ESO · March 2016

For me, they had all the tackle and gear to make it work, but never implemented it.

Conclusion? Businesses probably shouldn't make MMO's lol =P

Skinzz · March 2016

Its funny how some abilities are suppose to counter zergs... but the zergs use these abilities to their advantage. Ahem zergball groups.

briandivisionb16_ESO · March 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

Its funny how some abilities are suppose to counter zergs... but the zergs use these abilities to their advantage. Ahem zergball groups.

I know, right.
I haven't played for a few months I just wish they'd have turned the whole thing round earlier before people lost faith. How hard it must have been to simply drop caps and fix lag?

Mojmir · March 2016

There's a reason they put meat bag catapults,proxy set,viscous death set in the game,hmm and they also made it so you can have large groups. I wonder if this game is designed for large scale battles and group pvp? Yea must be

Skinzz · March 2016

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Sausage · March 2016

Conan Exiles is MP-game and lots of small scale PVP over there. ESO is mass-PVP zerg game, always has been, everyone gets the piece of the action, casuals and pro players just nicely blends together.

hrothbern · March 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

PvP is currently all about AOE so we want to make them stronger?

You think steel tornado and detonation spam is bad now?

they need skills with pushback mechanics..neverwinter mage comes to mind, where you can bomb characters 20-30 yards out of their small bunch and create confusion/chaos.

Siege damage needs to be increased by about 200-300%

Rapids needs to only hit 4 people

Barrier needs to hit only 4 people.

CC in this game is pretty terrible and needs a rework

Escape skills need cooldowns

@Kelleton , you say:
"they need skills with pushback mechanics..neverwinter mage comes to mind, where you can bomb characters 20-30 yards out of their small bunch and create confusion/chaos"
agree

Magicka Detonation and morphs doing half the damage, still scaled to nr of adds, but blasting adds away in all directions, a bit like Volcanic Rune, would be cool.

jbcrocks · March 2016

REMOVE AOE CAPS! Problem SOLVED.

It's a win win.

Zergers can continue zerging so they're happy.

Small groups now have a chance so they're happy.

EASY FIX

Vangy · March 2016

There is nothing wrong with "large scale battles". But there is everything wrong with how "large scale battles" take place in ESO.

Here's an excerpt from my life;

Yesterday night, I felt like getting some PvP action. Zoned into TF and noticed crossed swords north of nickel. I was like sweet, lets go join in the fun. What I found was one heck of a hot mess. 20+ DC and 20+ AD basically playing catch the monkey. 1 group turns on proxy and tries to rush the other with meteors and ults while the other tries to run while some helpless templars and dks get left behind by their friends to get pwnt. The other group now notices enemy proxies have gone off, and now its their turn to turn on their proxies and run into their enemies. Once again poor templars and DKs get pwnt cos welll... apparently they are supposed to sit in their house or pretend being tanky actually does something in PvP while proxy dets and meteors rain down on them. Add to this vicious death is getting more and more common ( and will pretty much become the staple of any mag build), you can see where this is going. This is basically what "large scale battles" are in ESO.

I dont mind large scale battles but these are not the kind of battles I had in mind when i signed up for AvA. I mean there are people seriously defending what ESO PvP has de-volved into? And some of us criticize PvE players using reasons such as 'Oh pve is no challenge its all scripted', PvP is new every fight blah blah. We should all go hide under a rock cos PvP right now for the most part is pathetic imo. Im sure some of you are fine and happy with it as it is but I guess to each his own.

Samadhi · March 2016

Vangy wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with "large scale battles". But there is everything wrong with how "large scale battles" take place in ESO.
...

Loved the mass PvP, before AoE caps were announced.
People were more spread out -- a battlefield felt and looked like a battlefield with fighting all over the place.
Post AoE-cap announcement, the battlefield is a big desolate place with tightly packed trains of people crashing together.

AoE caps made my life as a single-target specced solo player pretty terrible; so respecced to an AoE-based zerg-diving build.
Less satisfying, but ZOS does not seem to want single-target specs doing much other than ganking stragglers, which is boring.

Train vs. Train does not interest me though, and do not personally run in PvP groups.

Vangy · March 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

There's a reason they put meat bag catapults,proxy set Det,viscous Vicious death set in the game,hmm and they also made it so you can have large groups. I wonder if this game is designed for Magika large scale battles and group pvp? Yea must be

Put in my 2 cents. And people complain about steel tornado spam. Now its proxy + vicious death + unreflectable meteors. This isnt large scale PvP lol. This is monkeys flinging poo at each other hoping someone gets hit by enough poo to drop dead....

dsalter · March 2016

this necro tho

point is true but daim dat necro

DHale · March 2016

Read all the posts, can I have your stuff? Every single guildie of mine that left for bdo are all back division back fallout four back. I wished some you would just leave if you want to leave. Stay if you want to stay except for nothing new and the lag I like pvp. I wished I did not have to Zerg we went to Haderus today with nine ppl got stomped by Zergs of forty plus we joined three guilds together and hit 40 vs 40. The one v X players were there and got killed probably north of fifty times they likely got one hundredth of the ap I got I got several 5 -7 k ap ticks and even a 22 k tick at Alessia more than 100k in three hours not near my best but it's a living. I am simply not going to bring a knife to a bazooka fight. I would like to have nine v nine fights or 6 v 6. But the minute there are crossed swords they will come... If you flag it they will come. Ppl are always demanding balance but your definition of balance changes from what class you play to your individual play styles and preferences. You don't care about the game... you care about your wants and needs. I am sure if we all wrote the definition of balance in ESO the answers would be widely different. Dks want buffs for themselves and nerfs for nb and sorc... Oh sorcs are running away from me zos please nerf the class that runs away and doesn't kill any one while I crit Rush them and ambush them dead. Oh Stam classes roll dodge all the time I can't kill them let's nerf that oh dks are blocking all the time zos please nerf. Remember zos only has part of the blame for this mess. We asked for many of these nerfs that made the game less fun and less exciting. We used reverb bash we up used trap beast we used the dupe glitch we run with ppl who have five Mundus stones. The thieves treasure troves are a perfect example ppl camped them and put bots in to farm them so now there are none... Or almost none. Something that was meant for everyone now you have to run past ppl to steal them from some trove camper... Ridiculous.

Vangy · March 2016

DHale wrote: »

Read all the posts, can I have your stuff? Every single guildie of mine that left for bdo are all back division back fallout four back. I wished some you would just leave if you want to leave. Stay if you want to stay except for nothing new and the lag I like pvp. I wished I did not have to Zerg we went to Haderus today with nine ppl got stomped by Zergs of forty plus we joined three guilds together and hit 40 vs 40. The one v X players were there and got killed probably north of fifty times they likely got one hundredth of the ap I got I got several 5 -7 k ap ticks and even a 22 k tick at Alessia more than 100k in three hours not near my best but it's a living. I am simply not going to bring a knife to a bazooka fight. I would like to have nine v nine fights or 6 v 6. But the minute there are crossed swords they will come... If you flag it they will come. Ppl are always demanding balance but your definition of balance changes from what class you play to your individual play styles and preferences. You don't care about the game... you care about your wants and needs. I am sure if we all wrote the definition of balance in ESO the answers would be widely different. Dks want buffs for themselves and nerfs for nb and sorc... Oh sorcs are running away from me zos please nerf the class that runs away and doesn't kill any one while I crit Rush them and ambush them dead. Oh Stam classes roll dodge all the time I can't kill them let's nerf that oh dks are blocking all the time zos please nerf. Remember zos only has part of the blame for this mess. We asked for many of these nerfs that made the game less fun and less exciting. We used reverb bash we up used trap beast we used the dupe glitch we run with ppl who have five Mundus stones. The thieves treasure troves are a perfect example ppl camped them and put bots in to farm them so now there are none... Or almost none. Something that was meant for everyone now you have to run past ppl to steal them from some trove camper... Ridiculous.

Paragraphs please. Makes your righteous rant easier to read.

Also, when things CAN be exploited, people WILL exploit it. Its up to the devs to act in a timely manner resolving such issues as soon as they can. The multiple mundus stone exploit has been around for so long its not even funny. Its like saying "hey imma leave 100 bucks on the ground right here but no one take it please". Not gona happen.

The fact is, Eso has been so crappy for so long that somehow along the way, it has us all believing balance is something that is so hard to achieve and that we are all crazy for wanting balance. Like its some kind of fairly tale and the devs are completely fine. Please. Yes there is no such thing as true balance but at least some semblance of balance would be nice to have. Each patch its a wild swing from mag to stam FOTM because they refuse to roll out fixes and adjustments step by step along the way. NOOOOOOoooo they just have to make it one big cluster F every DLC. Just look at TG. They thought it wise to make meteors unreflectable, introduce vicious death, make proxy even more effective to groups, introduce phy resist CP while leaving 99% of ultimates magical.. What did they think was gonna happen? Balance? Hell no. They just fed us a bull crap balance DLC favouring magicka with their typical hey guys wait for 5 months for the next DLC before we fix the balance issues that we know are there. Next DLC its most likely gona be some bull crap stamina buffs that make stam ridiculous and we will see those steel nado spammers again in cyro.

Until they realise that they need to roll out changes in small parts on a weekly basis (during their server maint, god knows what they do during this time cos game is still laggy as hell) this madness is NEVER going to end. The ball is just going to bounce from mag to stam to mag to stam over and over.

Serenityx · March 2016

The only thing that I have to complain about is the frame drops/latency caused by having a large group (or a zerg) enter the inner walls of a keep. It makes coordination very difficult at key moments in tight quarters. That's probably an issue with me using wifi and being on console rather than having my Xbox plugged directly into my router.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

Fight a Zerg with a Zerg.

I don't get why everyone want to be able to bust an entire Zerg by themselves - as if they are Rambo???

If you want small scale, use your brain FFS, camp the Zerg on one of their routes after they die and respawn. Or go to IC.

LiquidSchwartz · March 2016

focus on the good things about the game!
We have half off crown store mount upgrades!!!!!

Molec · March 2016

This game has the most unbalanced PVP I've ever had the misfortune of taking part it.. Anybody who can claim otherwise doesn't understand balance within a game. I've witnessed more times than I care to remember a group of 5+ people attacking a single man and dealing nothing but pathetically small amounts of damage, yet said single man will turn around and then wipe the group in a matter of seconds with extremely powerful attacks. One person can achieve say 3-4k per hit and a man of the same class can achieve 10k+ using the same ability, that is unbalanced and is a huge problem here. It's not a "l2p issue" its imbalance created by the games own rules.