Direction of the game....IC followed by Orsinium...

DatNutrient · October 2015

I am curious to see where everyone else stands on this.
IC madena huge amount of the player base quit. I personally enjoy it, but many did not. My guild is almost empty as a result of the patch.
So now that Orsinium is closing it it is being called the PVE patch.
Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of group content being released? Why is it that we need to release content in pieces instead of a patch that addresses a lot of things and really refreshes the game.

To me, Orsinium is looking like a bear, some armor styles, maelstrom, and a questing area.
I do not enjoy questing for the most part. Most people I play with don't either. White gold is challenging for mny ps4 players but not unachievable but its apparently getting ANOTHER nerf.

Where is the challenging end game content besides maelstrom? Many of us are accustomed to running with a group of friends and now we won't be anymore unless.were running old dungeons.
I know trials don't appeal to the masses to some extent but it really enriches the game when they get to them after leveling to max level!

I'm not going to quit over it but it would be nice to get some real new content instead of a solo version of DSA, some new armor styles, a bear, and snowy craglorn.

AlnilamE · October 2015

OK. So your friends quit because of IC (which had group content), and are not coming back because of Orsinium (which in your opinion doesn't have group content, even though there are two public dungeons there)?

As for the direction, from IC to Orsinium, I'd say North, North-Eastish?

wayfarerx · October 2015

They seem to be rotating through different styles of expansions. Craglorn was first and was PvE group content, then IC which was for PvP, now Orsinium is for solo PvE. They say they're working on a new trial so more group PvE content is likely up next.

If they tried to mash everything together so that each expansion had something for every player then we'd probably see a lot more content droughts like the infamous "after console" period for PC. I'd much prefer that we get smaller, focused DLCs quickly like they are doing now, but then again I like playing in all the different game modes.

Vrienda · October 2015

This is a patch for us who don't want to play in a group, so we can finally hit VR16. Murkmire is coming, calm down, you'll get your damn group content.

OGLezard · October 2015

People arguing over content and here I am wishing ZoS would publicly shame and announce the bans of exploiters and cheaters...... too many well known ones still running rampant in the game since early access......... priorities though I suppose

AshTal · October 2015

My guess is we wont see a big PvP update in a while but smaller ones which are PvP based not the IC mess they released.

My second guess would be we will see more solo, small group content with a new Trial now and then. I think most people like group play when it suits them but spend a lot of time solo playing or joining a PUG.

I hope we see more story based content and advancements for our characters, I also suspect we will get the chance to become a home owner and possible noble.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

DatNutrient wrote: »

I am curious to see where everyone else stands on this.
IC madena huge amount of the player base quit. I personally enjoy it, but many did not. My guild is almost empty as a result of the patch.
So now that Orsinium is closing it it is being called the PVE patch.
Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of group content being released? Why is it that we need to release content in pieces instead of a patch that addresses a lot of things and really refreshes the game.

To me, Orsinium is looking like a bear, some armor styles, maelstrom, and a questing area.
I do not enjoy questing for the most part. Most people I play with don't either. White gold is challenging for mny ps4 players but not unachievable but its apparently getting ANOTHER nerf.

Where is the challenging end game content besides maelstrom? Many of us are accustomed to running with a group of friends and now we won't be anymore unless.were running old dungeons.
I know trials don't appeal to the masses to some extent but it really enriches the game when they get to them after leveling to max level!

I'm not going to quit over it but it would be nice to get some real new content instead of a solo version of DSA, some new armor styles, a bear, and snowy craglorn.

1.While your guild may have left due to the IC DLC, you have to understand why each person left. Did they leave for another guild or have the left the game entirely? What level did they reach before they left the game?

2. I'm not frustrated by the lack of group content as ZOS has displayed an inability to provide systems that support group content and how dungeons, trial, public dungeons are setup, they offer no value to do more than once..... so until they accomplish this...I'd rather they not try (BUT you did get two new dungeons and all of IC is group content technically with a PvP aspect)

3. The Orsinium content id specifically directed at the player who likes TES questing.
4. Don't try and make this game another typical MMO. This game isn't designed to beat another typical MMO, its its own game and as such the content and design will not be like other games which may be the cause of the feelings you have.

Try and understand that the original design was to create a TES game that incorporated a 200 ppl setting. Later it was announced that it would be a MMO server type but I've nto seen where the goal was to offer MMO like game-play. Its actually the opposite...they hope to offer TES game-play on a server with others

Aimora · October 2015

A way to address the lack of group content would be to scale Trials and DSA up to V16

Ace_of_Destiny · October 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

People arguing over content and here I am wishing ZoS would publicly shame and announce the bans of exploiters and cheaters...... too many well known ones still running rampant in the game since early access......... priorities though I suppose

I agree.
I have seen other games punish cheaters with original methods...like making all their characters look a certain way, renaming them, and setting abilities to the minimums allowed.
It worked.
More game devs need to do punishments more publicly...the US Court system\media does a fine job of publicly shaming offends...why be such a "treehugger" when it comes to gaming?

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Aimora wrote: »

A way to address the lack of group content would be to scale Trials and DSA up to V16

I have to disagree...who in their right mind would want to have to do stuff over and over again that they've already done just to get a higher gear stat base on the same item they've already obtained and prob by now destroyed.

Callous2208 · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

A way to address the lack of group content would be to scale Trials and DSA up to V16

I have to disagree...who in their right mind would want to have to do stuff over and over again that they've already done just to get a higher gear stat base on the same item they've already obtained and prob by now destroyed.

People who are in to old school progression raid style mmo's. Not me though.

MangoSsk · October 2015

DatNutrient wrote: »

I am curious to see where everyone else stands on this.
IC madena huge amount of the player base quit. I personally enjoy it, but many did not. My guild is almost empty as a result of the patch.
So now that Orsinium is closing it it is being called the PVE patch.
Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of group content being released? Why is it that we need to release content in pieces instead of a patch that addresses a lot of things and really refreshes the game.

To me, Orsinium is looking like a bear, some armor styles, maelstrom, and a questing area.
I do not enjoy questing for the most part. Most people I play with don't either. White gold is challenging for mny ps4 players but not unachievable but its apparently getting ANOTHER nerf.

Where is the challenging end game content besides maelstrom? Many of us are accustomed to running with a group of friends and now we won't be anymore unless.were running old dungeons.
I know trials don't appeal to the masses to some extent but it really enriches the game when they get to them after leveling to max level!

I'm not going to quit over it but it would be nice to get some real new content instead of a solo version of DSA, some new armor styles, a bear, and snowy craglorn.

To be honest DatNutrient... Destiny came out with their I got a crossbow and a gun now took ESO's players. I see nothing but ESO or Destiny on my friends list. On the other note, Games get nerfed because people complain, people complain because things are too easy or too hard. No matter what we say and do its the thought that counts. If you have ever played DC Universe Online, Star Wars Galaxy, or any other MMO people were disappointed. World of Warcraft was one MMO that I heard never had complaints other than it got boring because they didn't change the game.

DatNutrient · October 2015

Destiny took some players, many left due to IC though.

They come online every now and again, sigh about the condition of their character and get re-agitated because they dont know what to do to rebuild their character to it's former glory, then they log off.

I'm definitely calm, not sure why some are getting salty about my post, I just dont like the way things have been done with the expansions so I am speaking my mind.

Robo_Hobo · October 2015

Orsinium's exactly the type of content I look forward to in ESO so I'm happy.

DatNutrient · October 2015

I also dont understand the post saying Orsinium is for solo players to get to V16...How would that aid you in reaching 16

DatNutrient · October 2015

I'm glad it is pleasing some players. I just wish they would scale some of the old content at the very least

Aimora · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

A way to address the lack of group content would be to scale Trials and DSA up to V16

I have to disagree...who in their right mind would want to have to do stuff over and over again that they've already done just to get a higher gear stat base on the same item they've already obtained and prob by now destroyed.

Me and many of my guild in the short term until the new trial arrives

PBpsy · October 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

OK. So your friends quit because of IC (which had group content), and are not coming back because of Orsinium (which in your opinion doesn't have group content, even though there are two public dungeons there)?

As for the direction, from IC to Orsinium, I'd say North, North-Eastish?

When was "public dungeon" group content? The most it can be said is that at some point it was random tag along content.

Unfortunately the only thing with any longevity in the orsinium DLC is going to be MSA. The rest is just stuff that people will do once per character and never look at again.

Callous2208 · October 2015

DatNutrient wrote: »

I'm glad it is pleasing some players. I just wish they would scale some of the old content at the very least

I'm going to be optimistic and say Orsinium will be a huge success and pretty much guarantee more scaled content in the future.

Artheiron · October 2015

DLCs to be released once in 4 months idea is why I said this game is rated M for milking. They need to stop selling us the actual game bit by bit and release a full scaled expansion once a year with true game improvements and additional stuff to improve the core game. yes I'm talking about stuff like housing, random events, guild vs guild or arenas. Or even underwater content. This will be the first TES game that we'll be paying extra for thieves guild and dark brotherhood. You'll see that.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

Artheiron wrote: »

DLCs to be released once in 4 months idea is why I said this game is rated M for milking. They need to stop selling us the actual game bit by bit and release a full scaled expansion once a year with true game improvements and additional stuff to improve the core game. yes I'm talking about stuff like housing, random events, guild vs guild or arenas. Or even underwater content. This will be the first TES game that we'll be paying extra for thieves guild and dark brotherhood. You'll see that.

And youd be back in here in four months time to complain about a lack of content with the rest of the people demanding content.

Its about time you caught up with the times. MMOs launched after WoW are expected to drop new content regularly. Every 4 months is actually an amazingly fast turn around. Other MMOs, youd be lucky to see new content twice a year. And with ESO you dont even have to outright buy the DLC. Simply sub up.

CoyoteNZ · October 2015

Different DLC/expansions for different people.

Craglorn, group PvE; not me
IC, PvP; not me
Orsinium, solo PvE; yes, fantastic, can't wait.

Suspect after Orsinium, I'll have to wait for them to cycle through group and PvP again before another PvE Solo expansion, but that's all right.

I realise other people have other play styles. I don't complain when content for the others come out, just annoyed when people complain when my style content comes out.

As for what I'm waitng for? More Solo PvE, Housing.

Not that interested in thieves guild, but will be glad when it comes out, as many are waiting for it.

Soleya · October 2015

The main guild I'm in went from 500 members and 60-80 active players at any given time to about 10-20 active players. Most of the players haven't been online in months.

I don't think it was the content of IC that caused the players to leave. But the increase in Vet ranks, along with the nerfing of everyone's current gear, combined with the massive grind to get new V16 gear. I think that was a big turn off to many players. PVE players who didn't like IC, had no where else to go, to do V16 content other than a handful of vet dungeons. Trials and DSA became obsolete since they don't scale up.

I'm hoping with Orisnium, I'll have an easier way to get materials to upgrade my gear to V16 without doing loops in the same part of the sewers over and over.

I personally prefer content you can solo or do with 1 or 2 friends. Kinda wish Maelstrom Arena has a 2 player mode so I could play through it with my wife or my good friend.

I also enjoy group dungeons. But dislike trials. Every time I've tried to do trials it was an hour of trying to get 12 people together. However, when they do ad a new trial, I won't be complaining cause some people like it.

Artheiron · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

DLCs to be released once in 4 months idea is why I said this game is rated M for milking. They need to stop selling us the actual game bit by bit and release a full scaled expansion once a year with true game improvements and additional stuff to improve the core game. yes I'm talking about stuff like housing, random events, guild vs guild or arenas. Or even underwater content. This will be the first TES game that we'll be paying extra for thieves guild and dark brotherhood. You'll see that.

And youd be back in here in four months time to complain about a lack of content with the rest of the people demanding content.

Its about time you caught up with the times. MMOs launched after WoW are expected to drop new content regularly. Every 4 months is actually an amazingly fast turn around. Other MMOs, youd be lucky to see new content twice a year. And with ESO you dont even have to outright buy the DLC. Simply sub up.

You either sub up or pay equal amont of money to DLCs once in 4 months.

And I repeat, these DLCs are not expansions. Imperial city is a circular map, you kill each other, camp gates and grief other players + 2 dungeons. No real base game improvement and additional mechanics.

Orsinium is a questing area focused on single player experience gives you 1 solo dungeon. PC players get console controls. Other than that still no base game improvements.

So far we paid about 40 euros. (I know imperial city is 2500 crowns, good luck buying 2500 crowns you have only option to buy 3000)

Guild wars 2 expansion heart of thorns is 45 euros.

gigantic open world.
new ways to travels gliders and stuff.
guild halls that you can even decide what music theme would play in it.
new class
new ways to communicate with guildies.
update to class system
pvp pve stuff.
I really can't count everything they gave because it's ridiculously big + made the base game free for everyone.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns

At this point, I really don't care how long it will take for them to bring content to me. I care how much money I spent and what did I get. Regarding that point of view, which is the most of the gamers don't really care, I'm sorry to say but ZoS is ripping us off compared to other games' expansions' pricing. And they got some nerve to appear on ESO live stuff and say, nope we can't do this. We can't do that to players demanding basic requests like brining text chat to console.

Artemiisia · October 2015

Aimora wrote: »

A way to address the lack of group content would be to scale Trials and DSA up to V16

that wont even work for me anymore, after doing all trials for so long and there aint anything in erm anymore, it just bahhhh.

I have 5 vr16 chars, and right now osinium is win or break it for me.

Elsonso · October 2015

Imperial City is good content. I misses the mark, and expectations, for what some people wanted for Imperial City, but it is actually good content. I think the two core things that are rubbing people wrong are mixed mode play (PVE/PVP) and that there are no Alliance War objectives for PVP. The mixed mode is a matter of preference and tuning, some people will like it, some will not, but it is a valid and interesting style of play that I completely support. It just does not fit into Cyrodiil or the Alliance War as implemented. Great idea and design, wrong location, but the Imperial City is not fatal to the game.

Orsinium is obviously PVE with a heavy emphasis on content that can be completed by ungrouped players, but also offers light PVE group play. The Arena will satisfy quite a large segment of the population, but as people master it, it will become less satisfying. It will be the place to grind XP and CP for at least the next 6 months, for many players, so hopefully it has some depth to it.

I think that both DLCs contribute positively to the game. I think all of the DLC for this game will appeal to players unevenly, with some players liking it, others not so much.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

Artheiron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

DLCs to be released once in 4 months idea is why I said this game is rated M for milking. They need to stop selling us the actual game bit by bit and release a full scaled expansion once a year with true game improvements and additional stuff to improve the core game. yes I'm talking about stuff like housing, random events, guild vs guild or arenas. Or even underwater content. This will be the first TES game that we'll be paying extra for thieves guild and dark brotherhood. You'll see that.

And youd be back in here in four months time to complain about a lack of content with the rest of the people demanding content.

Its about time you caught up with the times. MMOs launched after WoW are expected to drop new content regularly. Every 4 months is actually an amazingly fast turn around. Other MMOs, youd be lucky to see new content twice a year. And with ESO you dont even have to outright buy the DLC. Simply sub up.

You either sub up or pay equal amont of money to DLCs once in 4 months.

And I repeat, these DLCs are not expansions. Imperial city is a circular map, you kill each other, camp gates and grief other players + 2 dungeons. No real base game improvement and additional mechanics.

Orsinium is a questing area focused on single player experience gives you 1 solo dungeon. PC players get console controls. Other than that still no base game improvements.

So far we paid about 40 euros. (I know imperial city is 2500 crowns, good luck buying 2500 crowns you have only option to buy 3000)

Guild wars 2 expansion heart of thorns is 45 euros.

gigantic open world.
new ways to travels gliders and stuff.
guild halls that you can even decide what music theme would play in it.
new class
new ways to communicate with guildies.
update to class system
pvp pve stuff.
I really can't count everything they gave because it's ridiculously big + made the base game free for everyone.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns

At this point, I really don't care how long it will take for them to bring content to me. I care how much money I spend and what did I get. Regarding that point of view, which is the most of the gamers don't really care, I'm sorry to say but ZoS is ripping us off compared to other games' expansions' pricing. And they got some nerve to appear on ESO live stuff and say, nope we can't do this. We can't do that to players demanding basic requests like brining text chat to console.

LMAO. Orsinium isnt even out so how did you pay for it already? Oh thats right. You didnt. It literally takes 2 months of subs to pay for IC and same goes for Orsinium. And each of them are over the span of 3 months (thats how long a Quarter is). So you sub up for two months, use the advantage of accessing the content for those two months, use the Crowns to buy the DLC and take advantage of the Extra Gold/Extra EXP/Extra Crafting and at the end of two months. Bam, you have the content with another month to go.

If they keep up the pricing at this rate youre literally paying for 3/4ths of what you would have to pay per year in the Sub model. If thats too much to ask. You can just go without the content. The end result is that youre getting a discount regardless of how you look at it. Any other MMO would take your 15 bucks and give you maybe 5 bucks back in microtransaction tokens and absolutely very little in the way of subscription perks.

If this was WoW, youd have to sub up to access the expansions past the first month. So youd have to pay 11 months out of that year.

You wanna do some math?

ESO Base Game: 60 Bucks
ESO IC DLC: 20 Bucks
ESO Orsinium DLC: 30 Bucks

Total: 110 Bucks

Total if they keep up the pricing so that its the equivielant of two months of subs per DLC: 170 Bucks

If they were to continue to price things at 30 bucks per DLC for 2 years thats still: 290 Bucks

WoW Base Game (At time of Launch: 60 Bucks
Subscription: 165 Bucks for a year x2 (Typically takes two years to launch a new expansion)
WoW The Burning Crusade: 60 Bucks

Total Between base game and first expansion: 450 bucks

But by all means. Keep claiming that youre being ripped off.

Personofsecrets · October 2015

DatNutrient wrote: »

I am curious to see where everyone else stands on this.
IC madena huge amount of the player base quit. I personally enjoy it, but many did not. My guild is almost empty as a result of the patch.
So now that Orsinium is closing it it is being called the PVE patch.
Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of group content being released? Why is it that we need to release content in pieces instead of a patch that addresses a lot of things and really refreshes the game.

To me, Orsinium is looking like a bear, some armor styles, maelstrom, and a questing area.
I do not enjoy questing for the most part. Most people I play with don't either. White gold is challenging for mny ps4 players but not unachievable but its apparently getting ANOTHER nerf.

Where is the challenging end game content besides maelstrom? Many of us are accustomed to running with a group of friends and now we won't be anymore unless.were running old dungeons.
I know trials don't appeal to the masses to some extent but it really enriches the game when they get to them after leveling to max level!

I'm not going to quit over it but it would be nice to get some real new content instead of a solo version of DSA, some new armor styles, a bear, and snowy craglorn.

ZOS makes mistake after mistake. Their console microtransaction gambit isn't going to pay off in the long term and the game will be flushed once that is realized and the last cents are milked.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

Ok ??? IMO if players are leaving for any reason it's that ZOS is more focused on DLC and the crown store than balancing the game. Seriously ZOS plenty of players have made wonderful suggestions on balancing options. Maybe you guys should look into some of them seeing how you guys truly "listen to us".

helediron · October 2015

At least ZOS is actually releasing DLCs now on time. They had their internal catastrophy that delayed everything by one year. Hopefully they can put aside their Annus Horribilis and stay on track from now on. There is alot of catching up to do to fill that missed year.

Personally IC was a disappointment, excluding the two great dungeons, and mostly because of mixing PvE and PvP to cater both and failing in both. ZOS should split it into two. Move sewers into Coldharbour and change to pure PvE. Integrate districts with Cyro and pure PvP.

I've tested alot Orsinium, and i think it is good that they completely concentrated to single player PvE content and did it well. It is high quality DLC. I prefer group content, but i don't blame Orsinium, but the year of boredom between Craglorn and Orsinium.

Artheiron · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

DLCs to be released once in 4 months idea is why I said this game is rated M for milking. They need to stop selling us the actual game bit by bit and release a full scaled expansion once a year with true game improvements and additional stuff to improve the core game. yes I'm talking about stuff like housing, random events, guild vs guild or arenas. Or even underwater content. This will be the first TES game that we'll be paying extra for thieves guild and dark brotherhood. You'll see that.

And youd be back in here in four months time to complain about a lack of content with the rest of the people demanding content.

Its about time you caught up with the times. MMOs launched after WoW are expected to drop new content regularly. Every 4 months is actually an amazingly fast turn around. Other MMOs, youd be lucky to see new content twice a year. And with ESO you dont even have to outright buy the DLC. Simply sub up.

You either sub up or pay equal amont of money to DLCs once in 4 months.

And I repeat, these DLCs are not expansions. Imperial city is a circular map, you kill each other, camp gates and grief other players + 2 dungeons. No real base game improvement and additional mechanics.

Orsinium is a questing area focused on single player experience gives you 1 solo dungeon. PC players get console controls. Other than that still no base game improvements.

So far we paid about 40 euros. (I know imperial city is 2500 crowns, good luck buying 2500 crowns you have only option to buy 3000)

Guild wars 2 expansion heart of thorns is 45 euros.

gigantic open world.
new ways to travels gliders and stuff.
guild halls that you can even decide what music theme would play in it.
new class
new ways to communicate with guildies.
update to class system
pvp pve stuff.
I really can't count everything they gave because it's ridiculously big + made the base game free for everyone.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns

At this point, I really don't care how long it will take for them to bring content to me. I care how much money I spend and what did I get. Regarding that point of view, which is the most of the gamers don't really care, I'm sorry to say but ZoS is ripping us off compared to other games' expansions' pricing. And they got some nerve to appear on ESO live stuff and say, nope we can't do this. We can't do that to players demanding basic requests like brining text chat to console.

LMAO. Orsinium isnt even out so how did you pay for it already? Oh thats right. You didnt. It literally takes 2 months of subs to pay for IC and same goes for Orsinium. And each of them are over the span of 3 months (thats how long a Quarter is). So you sub up for two months, use the advantage of accessing the content for those two months, use the Crowns to buy the DLC and take advantage of the Extra Gold/Extra EXP/Extra Crafting and at the end of two months. Bam, you have the content with another month to go.

If they keep up the pricing at this rate youre literally paying for 3/4ths of what you would have to pay per year in the Sub model. If thats too much to ask. You can just go without the content. The end result is that youre getting a discount regardless of how you look at it. Any other MMO would take your 15 bucks and give you maybe 5 bucks back in microtransaction tokens and absolutely very little in the way of subscription perks.

If this was WoW, youd have to sub up to access the expansions past the first month. So youd have to pay 11 months out of that year.

You wanna do some math?

ESO Base Game: 60 Bucks
ESO IC DLC: 20 Bucks
ESO Orsinium DLC: 30 Bucks

Total: 110 Bucks

Total if they keep up the pricing so that its the equivielant of two months of subs per DLC: 170 Bucks

If they were to continue to price things at 30 bucks per DLC for 2 years thats still: 290 Bucks

WoW Base Game (At time of Launch: 60 Bucks
Subscription: 165 Bucks for a year x2 (Typically takes two years to launch a new expansion)
WoW The Burning Crusade: 60 Bucks

Total Between base game and first expansion: 450 bucks

But by all means. Keep claiming that youre being ripped off.

I just showed you a basic math there. Indeed English isn't my main language but I believe I didn't say that in French.

It doesn't make their pricing policy innocent just because I haven't paid for it yet. I played orsinium, I've seen enough. You simply can't compare this game with Wow. Wow is like ancient and has like 50x more stuff than eso has. But oh guess what? they made all previous expansion packs for 20 bucks. lol. So your funny 450 BUCKS pricing is invalid.

Btw, your pricings are still wrong 100 crown = 1 buck. IC is still 21 EUROS - 25 USBUCKS (FYI: EURO>USBUCKS).
Also, you can't directly buy 2500 crowns. <---- IMPERIAL CITY crown price. (you can only purchase 3000 crowns)
Dawnguard DLC (which is a a very well developed satisfying dlc for skyrim) is 19 USbucks.

There's an alternative way of course. Instead, I can pay 156 euros per year and access all DLCs. and recieve 1500 crown per month so once in 2 months I can purchase a DLC pack for free. So let's do the math right here, 2x sub fee, 30 dollars 3000 crowns free right? right. Subbed or not price is still the same. (Access to DLC isn't owning dlc.) then there's nothing wrong here.

Nothing is wrong except you paid 60 bucks and bought two bicycles a gw2 guy paid 60 bucks and bought a car.

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