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DK Talon spam, ZOS you joking?

Snowgoons
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DK's using talons every 3-4 seconds with no immunity timer = a joke or what?
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  • OGLezard
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    @Snowgoons you must be new or something, there are Hard CC and soft CC in this game. hard CC gives immunity because you cant use skills, where as soft cc you can still use skills to defend yourself. Soft cc does NOT give immunity and never has.
  • imredneckson
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    Snowgoons wrote: »
    DK's using talons every 3-4 seconds with no immunity timer = a joke or what?

    Talons are block able or you can roll out and get some distance
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  • Snowgoons
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    OGLezard wrote: »
    for the record, talons is a soft cc because you can still defend yourself and roll out of it.

    ok first of all OGLezard, nowhere did I say soft cc should give immunity learn to read if you are going to be a keyboard warrior, second:

    Talons need an immunity timer.
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  • Sithisvoid
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    I mentioned it before but maybe now that it's happening more often people will take notice. The skill needs to have CC immunity apply to it after you break it the first time. Same with Encase. You can't "just roll out" because they spam it. Someone please actually test this
    Edited by Sithisvoid on October 29, 2015 5:28PM


  • DannyLV702
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    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    I mentioned it before but maybe now that it's happening more often people will take notice. The skill needs to have CC immunity apply to it after you break it the first time. Same with Encase

    My encase seems to always give immunity it's stupid. I stopped using it the same day i started to use it
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  • Sithisvoid
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    I mentioned it before but maybe now that it's happening more often people will take notice. The skill needs to have CC immunity apply to it after you break it the first time. Same with Encase

    My encase seems to always give immunity it's stupid. I stopped using it the same day i started to use it

    Crazy I can't even get out of them with immovable potions. Maybe it's a bug?


  • OGLezard
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    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    I mentioned it before but maybe now that it's happening more often people will take notice. The skill needs to have CC immunity apply to it after you break it the first time. Same with Encase

    My encase seems to always give immunity it's stupid. I stopped using it the same day i started to use it

    Crazy I can't even get out of them with immovable potions. Maybe it's a bug?

    immovable doesnt stop soft cc @Sithisvoid rapid maneuvers does
  • Snowgoons
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    This wouldn't really be a problem if they didn't blanket nerf roll dodge.

    Agreed 100% was just talking about that nerf being the issue with a friend. Its bs.
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  • Tavore1138
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    Talons and similar have only become an issue again because of the rapid increase in costs for blocking and dodging so where a month ago you would roll out, roll again and roll again and not really care now a few root 'n rolls drains your stamina pool.
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  • Malmai
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    Snowgoons wrote: »
    DK's using talons every 3-4 seconds with no immunity timer = a joke or what?

    Roll out :D
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    Snowgoons wrote: »
    DK's using talons every 3-4 seconds with no immunity timer = a joke or what?

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  • nine9six
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    Well, that escalated quickly...
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  • americansteel
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    OP must must be a sorc, getting trapped by (nerfed to death) Dks and is struggling trying to compete against a DK.
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  • I_killed_Vivec
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    As a user of talons I have to say if you're seeing it spammed every four seconds then they are really spamming it every two seconds. Half the time it fails to go off - but you still get charged the full magica cost...

    There's the range thing too. Unlike other skills that tell you when the target is out of range, it just fails - but you still get charged the full magica cost...
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    Talons and similar have only become an issue again because of the rapid increase in costs for blocking and dodging so where a month ago you would roll out, roll again and roll again and not really care now a few root 'n rolls drains your stamina pool.

    I said this some time ago before the new roll nerf came out.

    Any magicka dk / sorc can spam encase/talons more than a stamina build can dodgeroll out of them. Not even talking about poor magicka builds now with the increased rollcost :<

    Annoying as feck, tough nerf talons I'm not sure it's a good idea. DK's have enough of nerfs already ^^
    Edited by Master_Kas on October 29, 2015 5:54PM
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    OGLezard wrote: »
    for the record, talons is a soft cc because you can still defend yourself and roll out of it.

    The only problem with Talons is that dodge roll had its costs greatly increased with the last patch, thereby making it far more effective than it should be. The same is true of blocking (which completely guts your stamina regen). If magicka regen stopped every time someone used a magical ability or at least mitigating magical ability this might be fair, but its a stupid game design that shouldn't exist in any form on the game.

    My other beef with talons is that it is considered soft cc, but Eclipse is considered a hard cc as well as purge-able. I'd like to know who the ad-wizard was that thought that was a good idea, or the same guy who thought it should only apply to a single target now. Eclipse has never really been that great of an ability, except maybe in some wierd 1v1 duel, which has absolutely nothing to do with winning in Cyrodiil.
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  • americansteel
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    As a user of talons I have to say if you're seeing it spammed every four seconds then they are really spamming it every two seconds. Half the time it fails to go off - but you still get charged the full magica cost...

    There's the range thing too. Unlike other skills that tell you when the target is out of range, it just fails - but you still get charged the full magica cost...

    do you not know dragon knights were nerfed to the ground since launch? the console game has the same updates as the PC version got before CP came out.
    since PC launch DKs and Templars have been nerfed so much while sorcs became more powerful, bastion shield stacking need I say any more?
    my only defense against a sorc is my reflective scales extended chains and talons and or lava whip. my DPS sucks. which usually ends in a stale mate and us running away from each other. you can break out of talons if you lose stamina continuing to break from talons CC then maybe you need a new build or learn to play.
    here's a hint you might try. stay away from DKs don't get close to them. that's what I do. if you have cast abilities use them. I avoid DKS at all cost unless if im in a group. but I never play PvP solo.
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    Talons are sometimes aggravating when I'm on stam toons. There are DKs that spam them, and I drain my resources blocking and rolling out, then can't fight back (spamming light/heavy attacks out of range, slamming "q" praying for faster potion cool down, generally looking foolish). That's not a Talon problem, that's my needing to be better at handling it when my mobility and skill pools are the same. Classic L2P situation.

    Talons aren't a joke, don't need nerfed (again) and aren't intended to offer cc immunity.
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    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    I mentioned it before but maybe now that it's happening more often people will take notice. The skill needs to have CC immunity apply to it after you break it the first time. Same with Encase. You can't "just roll out" because they spam it. Someone please actually test this

    It was annoying to deal with even when you could roll out. The ramped up costs of rolling and blocking though make escape an even more dangerous prospect. Another important point is that while you are rolling, you do no damage, but while they are taloning you, they ARE doing damage. This is where a purge is superior to the roll, but you still have the problem of costs, and still take the initial hit of damage. The win goes to the aggressor here definitely. If I can say anything though, Imperial City is the 'patch of the aggressor'. Being a tank isn't worth it.
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    I quoted the wrong person damn, sorry dude. that was meant for the OP
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  • I_killed_Vivec
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    I quoted the wrong person damn, sorry dude. that was meant for the OP

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  • WebBull
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    Snowgoons wrote: »
    DK's using talons every 3-4 seconds with no immunity timer = a joke or what?

    Talons is pretty easy to get out of. The fact that you had to make a post like this tells me it is a L2P issue.
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    Oh and to say something positive. I think they should just undo the ridiculous block/roll nerfs, this would make the counters more available to people against Talons. Rolling/Blocking still has an opportunity cost since the talon flinger is still the aggressor in this scenario, and the game still favors the aggressor with this patch.
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    How typical of this "community".
    Somebody points out a flaw in the game, and instead of adressing the flaw people start arguing over the OP's "terminology".

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