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LokoMatic
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First off - thanks for the wonderful game. I have been playing it for over a year of my life and I can happily say it is one of the best ever created (IMO.)
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
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Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Game Design is not democratric.
On average, 2% of the player base of a MMORPG visites Gaming Forums. The result of a voting here means nothing.
Think about what you're suggesting. Lets say 51% of all the forum posters here play a Nightblade. So I start a vote calling for Nightblade buffs and 51% of the votes say yes - should Zenimax do it?
Game Design (and Democracy btw.) is more complex than just do what 51% of the people like.Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.11 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭It was already decided way back but some players just keep going against it. Also they have worked months on them, so of course they are gonna remove them.
Btw, Zen listens its playerbase, but players gotta remember, some players came to the forums even before PC-launch, so they are first. I just love how some people come to the forums after 1 week of playing and expect everything is handed to them.
Bring back the Road Aheads! Zen, dont you just love this Chaos.Edited by Sausage on October 29, 2015 2:13PM2 -
Vrienda✭✭✭✭✭
✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.Desperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.3 -
uso245✭✭✭First off - thanks for the wonderful game. I have been playing it for over a year of my life and I can happily say it is one of the best ever created (IMO.)
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
You realize the reduction is simply to reduce the number crunching required by the server. Everything is reduced by 50% so it has smaller numbers to work with and communicate. Not a whole lot has honestly changed tbh.My Facebook Page
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LokoMatic✭✭✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.Harbingers of Death
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LokoMatic✭✭✭First off - thanks for the wonderful game. I have been playing it for over a year of my life and I can happily say it is one of the best ever created (IMO.)
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
You realize the reduction is simply to reduce the number crunching required by the server. Everything is reduced by 50% so it has smaller numbers to work with and communicate. Not a whole lot has honestly changed tbh.
Okay, that makes sense. I am not entirely upset at what has changed, but what could potentially change.Harbingers of Death
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭First off - thanks for the wonderful game. I have been playing it for over a year of my life and I can happily say it is one of the best ever created (IMO.)
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
You realize the reduction is simply to reduce the number crunching required by the server. Everything is reduced by 50% so it has smaller numbers to work with and communicate. Not a whole lot has honestly changed tbh.
Dunno if serious or just being a troll...
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
Sorry to say but you have to prove that. Why shouldnt they trust people who've played your game since beta. Usually people get excited as fast they get bored later.Edited by Sausage on October 29, 2015 2:26PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure how long you've been around but some of the items you mention are being changed, removed or adjusted due to listening to our feedback specific to Vet systems (don't assume vet content). Don't let the forum polls throw off your perspectives.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on October 29, 2015 2:32PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm not sure where the poster came up with the percentages. But I do believe in statistics, and you don't have to base those numbers off the entire population of the game.
I'm more of a technical analyst, I tend to discount what people say and follow the trend. The only trend I see now is the players are ones who are gong to ruin this game.
I wish we would just let the developers make the game they visioned.
Edited by vamp_emily on October 29, 2015 3:15PM
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LokoMatic✭✭✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
Sorry to say but you have to prove that. Why shouldnt they trust people who've played your game since beta. Usually people get excited as fast they get bored later.
The PVP community is adversely affected by nerf's more so than any other segment. A competitive PVP'er will reroll, respec, deal with the changes at hand and figure out a way to be effective again. I see people claiming they played Beta, or at release and they don't have a single Vr16. If people spent as much time grinding their character as opposed to complaining on the forums they would probably not even be here.
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LokoMatic✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I'm not sure how long you've been around but some of the items you mention are being changed, removed or adjusted due to listening to our feedback specific to Vet systems (don't assume vet content). Don't let the forum polls throw off your perspectives.
I've been enjoying the game since release and have over 1100 hrs on PC, and 750 on console.
I just started to come to the forums and it is sickening how much complaining is done here, I only came as I heard they were doing away with Vet Ranks.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
You mean 51% of the player who use the forums and bothered to respond to a poll, who are probably about 10% of the actual population of the game, if that.
A majority of a small minority is not a majority of the whole.
Edited by Belidos on October 29, 2015 2:53PM1 -
Vrienda✭✭✭✭✭
✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
You're a minority. Why would they listen to you when they could listen to the majority who aren't VR16?
I'm VR14 and a half, I've played this game since beta, I come back frequently for patches and updates and I spend a lot of crowns in the store. What makes your opinion worth more than mine?Edited by Vrienda on October 29, 2015 2:55PMDesperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.0 -
LokoMatic✭✭✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
You're a minority. Why would they listen to you when they could listen to the majority who aren't VR16?
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16. They already launched both versions therfore the surge of new players will be low until Christmas. (cant wait for X-mas noobs btw)
You said in another post you haven't played since 1.3 - that was August - Sept of 2014. So if you are still Vr13 after over a year, what kind of insight does your opinion have to offer? Not trying to be rude, just realistic.Harbingers of Death
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16.
Absolute rubbish. Those who are lower level are more likely to stay because they have something to aim for, those who are already there are twiddling their thumbs and are more likely to quit.
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Lynnessa✭✭✭✭I dunno. I don't think I would like to play a game designed by an angry mob (aka MMO forumgoers).1 -
LokoMatic✭✭✭
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16.
Absolute rubbish. Those who are lower level are more likely to stay because they have something to aim for, those who are already there are twiddling their thumbs and are more likely to quit.
See? I can make *** up to suit my argument too.
Yeah, something to aim for........What can people aim for if there are no VR Ranks.
That's literally what this argument is about. LmaoHarbingers of Death
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16.
Absolute rubbish. Those who are lower level are more likely to stay because they have something to aim for, those who are already there are twiddling their thumbs and are more likely to quit.
See? I can make *** up to suit my argument too.
Yeah, something to aim for........What can people aim for if there are no VR Ranks.
That's literally what this argument is about. Lmao
See, that's where you're going wrong, they won't pull them without adding some other system of advancement, that's why it's taking so long, until we know what they will replace it with we have no reason to complain.0 -
LokoMatic✭✭✭I dunno. I don't think I would like to play a game designed by an angry mob (aka MMO forumgoers).
This is very true. This is why I stay away from forums. I spend my time playing the damn game.Harbingers of Death
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Vrienda✭✭✭✭✭
✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
You're a minority. Why would they listen to you when they could listen to the majority who aren't VR16?
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16. They already launched both versions therfore the surge of new players will be low until Christmas. (cant wait for X-mas noobs btw)
You said in another post you haven't played since 1.3 - that was August - Sept of 2014. So if you are still Vr13 after over a year, what kind of insight does your opinion have to offer? Not trying to be rude, just realistic.
I said I hadn't levelled since 1.3, as in that was the last time I was max level. I came back to level a few alts for a month or two and again when the game went B2P, maintaining a subscription since then. Now with Orsinium on the horizon and the removal of veteran ranks coming closer I'm considering making this my main MMO.
So yes, I'm pretty active and I know that veteran ranks are hurting the game, as are champion points until Orsinium (The cap and catch up mechanics seem to fix the issues I had with the system). So again, why does your opinion matter more than mine? They want to get old players back as well as retain current ones, otherwise the game will slowly die over the years.Desperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.0 -
LokoMatic✭✭✭
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16.
Absolute rubbish. Those who are lower level are more likely to stay because they have something to aim for, those who are already there are twiddling their thumbs and are more likely to quit.
See? I can make *** up to suit my argument too.
Yeah, something to aim for........What can people aim for if there are no VR Ranks.
That's literally what this argument is about. Lmao
See, that's where you're going wrong, they won't pull them without adding some other system of advancement, that's why it's taking so long, until we know what they will replace it with we have no reason to complain.
I understand how these things can take so long, however some people have been playing this game a very long time, and the rewards for investing so much into the game are getting diluted by the need to please the common player.Harbingers of Death
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LokoMatic✭✭✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
You're a minority. Why would they listen to you when they could listen to the majority who aren't VR16?
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16. They already launched both versions therfore the surge of new players will be low until Christmas. (cant wait for X-mas noobs btw)
You said in another post you haven't played since 1.3 - that was August - Sept of 2014. So if you are still Vr13 after over a year, what kind of insight does your opinion have to offer? Not trying to be rude, just realistic.
I said I hadn't levelled since 1.3, as in that was the last time I was max level. I came back to level a few alts for a month or two and again when the game went B2P, maintaining a subscription since then. Now with Orsinium on the horizon and the removal of veteran ranks coming closer I'm considering making this my main MMO.
So yes, I'm pretty active and I know that veteran ranks are hurting the game, as are champion points until Orsinium (The cap and catch up mechanics seem to fix the issues I had with the system). So again, why does your opinion matter more than mine? They want to get old players back as well as retain current ones, otherwise the game will slowly die over the years.
Who would you rather make happy:
A customer who is considering buying a pizza from your restaurant, if you change X, Y, and Z.
or
A customer who has been buying a pizza off of you for the past year at least 1 time a week.Edited by LokoMatic on October 29, 2015 3:12PMHarbingers of Death
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TiberX✭✭✭✭I think the drop in popularity is mainly because IC is a ganking paradise, best spot to be a Nb and if u r not in a big zerg u have small chance to be happy there, except as i said, ganking Nb, so basically there is nothing to do or gain there.Officer of Ghosts and Goblins0 -
deadlock007✭✭✭As of now, according to the poll you are referencing, it is actually 60%. You have to include the 9% that want to keep them but just want them tweaked a little
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I'm not sure how long you've been around but some of the items you mention are being changed, removed or adjusted due to listening to our feedback specific to Vet systems (don't assume vet content). Don't let the forum polls throw off your perspectives.
I've been enjoying the game since release and have over 1100 hrs on PC, and 750 on console.
I just started to come to the forums and it is sickening how much complaining is done here, I only came as I heard they were doing away with Vet Ranks.
O K so i was around during closed BETA on PC and PC launch and now moved to XBox One...I've been on the forums since 2013 closed BETA.
-Do you not remember the ESO Live and other media around VR being removed and what later remarked the introduction of the Champion System well over a year ago?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Vrienda✭✭✭✭✭
✭All ZOS has done since beta is listen to their playerbase. That's why they're removing veteran ranks (Woo hoo!). That's also why they made the game available to consoles, have first person mode and made it so the starter zones were not forced upon you.
There's no way in hell 51% of the playerbase like veteran ranks. Unless you're not counting those who quit the game BECAUSE of them (Like myself, only coming back for Orsinium in the hopes that'll get me to max VR).
Zeni max listens to the players, you must be blind if you don't realise that.
Congrats, you are part of the community who has helped to ruin this wonderful game.
I should have specified - Listen to the players who are Vr16, or have high PVP ranks who actually have enough time spent on the game to offer some sort of intelligent input. We are the people who will still be playing this game in 2016.
You're a minority. Why would they listen to you when they could listen to the majority who aren't VR16?
Because the majority who aren't Vr16 are much more likely to stop playing the game than those who are V16. They already launched both versions therfore the surge of new players will be low until Christmas. (cant wait for X-mas noobs btw)
You said in another post you haven't played since 1.3 - that was August - Sept of 2014. So if you are still Vr13 after over a year, what kind of insight does your opinion have to offer? Not trying to be rude, just realistic.
I said I hadn't levelled since 1.3, as in that was the last time I was max level. I came back to level a few alts for a month or two and again when the game went B2P, maintaining a subscription since then. Now with Orsinium on the horizon and the removal of veteran ranks coming closer I'm considering making this my main MMO.
So yes, I'm pretty active and I know that veteran ranks are hurting the game, as are champion points until Orsinium (The cap and catch up mechanics seem to fix the issues I had with the system). So again, why does your opinion matter more than mine? They want to get old players back as well as retain current ones, otherwise the game will slowly die over the years.
Who would you rather make happy:
A customer who is considering buying a pizza from your restaurant, if you change X, Y, and Z.
or
A customer who has been buying a pizza off of you for the past year at least 1 time a week.
You can't eat a video game but very well I'll humour you.
Customer A because there's likely more of him than customer B, whereas customer B will just order the same thing all the time, customer A might want extra toppings, meaning I can charge them more.
Also, what happens if Customer B moves away or dies? Then I'm down a customer forever and my restaurant remains unchanged.Edited by Vrienda on October 29, 2015 3:20PMDesperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.0 -
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✭First off - thanks for the wonderful game. I have been playing it for over a year of my life and I can happily say it is one of the best ever created (IMO.)
That being said, you need to stop making such monumental changes to the game itself. 51% of the population has spoken - DO NOT CHANGE VETERAN RANKS.
There you go, the democratic methods of questioning people has proved statistically that the majority doesn't want a change. What more is there to ask?
On top of this, the steam chart showed upwards of 25% of Steam Players dropping the game since the IC update. I mean the game was perfect before the update, and now look at it. the 50% reduction to damage is too much! Altering a game to this degree, this long after release, is creating a huge backlash within the loyal player community, and you are taking away much of the incentive to be rewarded for putting more time into the game.
As a business perspective, we understand. You want to increase your player base by making the game attractive to newcomers. But at this point in time, the statistics are speaking for you. You are past the product launch, the initial surge of new players is already over. The focus needs to be altered to keeping the current player base happy - and you can start by listening to them.
They listened. Overwhelmingly the playerbase asked for removal of VR following release. Many quit over VR, what's left in that poll is a small sample of those who don't mind grinding repetitive quests before enjoying endgame.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges2 -
LokoMatic✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I'm not sure how long you've been around but some of the items you mention are being changed, removed or adjusted due to listening to our feedback specific to Vet systems (don't assume vet content). Don't let the forum polls throw off your perspectives.
I've been enjoying the game since release and have over 1100 hrs on PC, and 750 on console.
I just started to come to the forums and it is sickening how much complaining is done here, I only came as I heard they were doing away with Vet Ranks.
O K so i was around during closed BETA on PC and PC launch and now moved to XBox One...I've been on the forums since 2013 closed BETA.
-Do you not remember the ESO Live and other media around VR being removed and what later remarked the introduction of the Champion System well over a year ago?
Yes I do remember, but then IC came out and they increased VR to 16. With that in mind, I assumed that they had no intention of removing it, after they revised their original plan.Harbingers of Death
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✭DOWN WITH VR RANKS. RAWRRRRRR. My baby alts want to be max level nao PLS(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
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