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ESO PvP is just zergs now
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They took out Mercenaries and forward camps and they changed oil.
All three of those things favored zergs over skilled play and they did it because people whined that better players were effectively using game mechanics to beat their zergs.1 -
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✭✭✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
This. This right here is my line in the sand.
100+ days played in game time. Stopped playing when realising it is all zerg now.
I am done. Throw this thread to the trash, if you want, whichever mod comes across it.
But in doing so know I'm right. Know the PvP is going to trash. And know the company you work for really doesn't care.
Don't make a damned PvP game if you aren't going to look after the PvP.
Orken Elvenplower *OUT*
No, OP, you are not automatically right with your statement just because you favor small-scale PvP over large-scale. Get over yourself.
If large-scale PvP is no good for you then arrange some duels or wait for any sort of small-scale PvP. If that doesn't work for you try playing the game for another reason beyond PvP. If that doesn't work, there's the logoff button lol
Also why do people keep saying ESO is a PvP game? Because it isn't. In fact, less than half of this game is PvP!Edited by UltimaJoe777 on October 29, 2015 1:46AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭Keepercraft wrote: »ESO PvP...
That's more like the zergs snaking their way through people they come across lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Well no one wants to be ganked so zergs will be forever pretty much
It's the same in real life warfare. There is safety in numbers after all.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Leifnier✭✭✭There's a few things that bother me, the number one thing is that there is absolutely no skill requirement to do serious damage as long as you have massive numbers.
Number two is the lag from groups.
They are reawrding bad players, plain and simple. And that never works out for a game when it comes to pve or pvp.
That said, I'm playing ESO right now to enjoy the pve content, but have given up entirely on it's pvp aspects and have downloading new games where skill is an actual requirement to do well in pvp.0 -
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✭✭✭There's a few things that bother me, the number one thing is that there is absolutely no skill requirement to do serious damage as long as you have massive numbers.
Number two is the lag from groups.
They are reawrding bad players, plain and simple. And that never works out for a game when it comes to pve or pvp.
That said, I'm playing ESO right now to enjoy the pve content, but have given up entirely on it's pvp aspects and have downloading new games where skill is an actual requirement to do well in pvp.
There is no such thing as a world with only skilled players. It may sound bad but it is true. Nevertheless it is not something to shame them for. Pity them at best but do not blame them for wanting to rely on the safety of numbers. Besides this is large-scale PvP so of course zerging will be rampant because we're supposed to be legions of an army!Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Well no one wants to be ganked so zergs will be forever pretty much
It's the same in real life warfare. There is safety in numbers after all.
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✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
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✭✭✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Furthermore you cannot compare small-scale PvP to large-scale PvP, they are both completely different.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on October 29, 2015 7:43AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.0 -
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.Edited by Sausage on October 29, 2015 7:53AM0 -
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.
This is just a thread to complain about a factor that is actually legit in large-scale PvP. It doesn't have anything to do with how competitive Zenimax is being with this game, because frankly they aren't. That is why I have brought up the point I did: If ESO was a PvP-based game it most certainly would have both large and small-scale PvP.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭Wow such anger over a game.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.
This is just a thread to complain about a factor that is actually legit in large-scale PvP. It doesn't have anything to do with how competitive Zenimax is being with this game, because frankly they aren't. That is why I have brought up the point I did: If ESO was a PvP-based game it most certainly would have both large and small-scale PvP.
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.
This is just a thread to complain about a factor that is actually legit in large-scale PvP. It doesn't have anything to do with how competitive Zenimax is being with this game, because frankly they aren't. That is why I have brought up the point I did: If ESO was a PvP-based game it most certainly would have both large and small-scale PvP.
I would make Cyrodil more awesome.
Cyrodiil was designed to be large scale, but it doesn't mean small-scale cannot happen. People arrange small-scale duels even now where no one can disturb them whilst those in favor of large-scale go about their usual.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.
This is just a thread to complain about a factor that is actually legit in large-scale PvP. It doesn't have anything to do with how competitive Zenimax is being with this game, because frankly they aren't. That is why I have brought up the point I did: If ESO was a PvP-based game it most certainly would have both large and small-scale PvP.
I would make Cyrodil more awesome.
Cyrodiil was designed to be large scale, but it doesn't mean small-scale cannot happen. People arrange small-scale duels even now where no one can disturb them whilst those in favor of large-scale go about their usual.
Why you need to keep trolling me. You dont need to arrange small-scale PVP, just go to sewers.
Zen can do whatever he wants, but I would improve zerg, because there isnt that many zerg games out there, and it could turn into big thing, where small-scale arenas are very likely to remain small.
Shortly said, I would make ESO the best zerg game on Earth and watch how people come here from all directions.Edited by Sausage on October 29, 2015 8:28AM1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes! its really so hard to understand, competitive PVPers players are playing Dota and LOL already, not to mention Counter Strike, its a battle what ESO cant win. This is turning into Crusade. I hope they keep the zerg nature, there isnt many games like that, tons of competitive and balanced PVP games instead.
Would you people seriously stop comparing ESO PvP to other games like ESO was made for PvP?! Seriously, geez... PvP is not the absolute purpose of games you know.
Its ALL about competition, go ahead against competitive PVP giants like Dota, CS and lol, you get crushed.
No, it isn't. Do you honestly think people played Super Mario Bros. for competitive purposes, or the Legend of Zelda, or even Final Fantasy? It seems you have forgotten all about the PvE aspect of games that people enjoy and play games for rather than PvP.
What PVE have to do in PVP thread?
This Competitive PVP crap comes up every year, theres LOTS of good competitive PVP games out there, but some players refuse the play them.
This is just a thread to complain about a factor that is actually legit in large-scale PvP. It doesn't have anything to do with how competitive Zenimax is being with this game, because frankly they aren't. That is why I have brought up the point I did: If ESO was a PvP-based game it most certainly would have both large and small-scale PvP.
I would make Cyrodil more awesome.
Cyrodiil was designed to be large scale, but it doesn't mean small-scale cannot happen. People arrange small-scale duels even now where no one can disturb them whilst those in favor of large-scale go about their usual.
Why you need to keep trolling me. You dont need to arrange small-scale PVP, just go to sewers.
Zen can do whatever he wants, but I would improve zerg, because there isnt that many zerg games out there, and it could turn into big thing, where small-scale arenas are very likely to remain small.
Shortly said, I would make ESO the best zerg game on Earth and watch how people come here from all directions.
lol I am speaking honestly here, not trolling. I also wouldn't necessarily classify IC or its underground components small-scale. A small-scale PvP setting is that of a restricted one that allows no more than a few tops to join the fight. The sewers you speak of unfortunately do not have this restriction, hence a lot of the complaining from people getting ganked shortly after it's release lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Leifnier✭✭✭@UltimaJoe777 I'm not shaming the unskilled players, I'm shaming the developers that cater to them. They are rewarding unskilled players, giving no incentive to become better. And that just sucks.1
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✭✭✭@UltimaJoe777 I'm not shaming the unskilled players, I'm shaming the developers that cater to them. They are rewarding unskilled players, giving no incentive to become better. And that just sucks.
There is no reward for not taking the effort to become skilled. Then again, that depends on your definition of "reward".Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »Just in the last week:
How to find PvP action in cyrodiil?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373367#Comment_2373367
Anti-zerg Mechanics for each class
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2373213#Comment_2373213
Do you think there should be an AoE cap?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2371713#Comment_2371713
Constructive criticism! PvP is lacking
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369480#Comment_2369480
Nerf Zerg damage and healing exponentially
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2369146#Comment_2369146
The State of PvP
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2368130#Comment_2368130
Siege weapons - very weak
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2367408#Comment_2367408
Myth AoE Cap
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2363460#Comment_2363460
So, about zerging...
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/225471/so-about-zerging
Steel Tornado Train
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360281#Comment_2360281
Constructive Criticism About Ultimate Gain In PvP.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2360393#Comment_2360393
What happened to pvp?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2358676#Comment_2358676
My idea to stop zerging
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2356459#Comment_2356459
I only post here because I want my interest in your game to rekindle.
The AoE cap stacks with battle-leveling. This means groups of 6+ gain a daft 75% damage reduction.
DId you just drop IC and give up on PvP?
How bout instead of trying to fight them go between where they came from and what they are attacking and kill them in small groups as they respawn and try to catch up or try to reinforce the zerg??? If you cant do that get a zerg? If you cant do that get a healer friend and like 4-6 other max lvl buds and wipe the zerg? Play smart choose your fights. We play this game so we can see massive epic battles between factions we dont want no team slayer. If you have skill you obviously have brains?? Think constructively and deal with it with skill? Thats all there is to it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The frustration comes from this:
The zergers cry that bolt escape is too good, night blade Cloak is too good, dodge roll and block are OP. What this has done is rendered solo and small group play simply not viable anymore. Us small scalers never cried nor wanted nerfs to zergs until after the zergs took away everything we had that made solo roaming small group pvp viable.
I remember in 1.6 40 people chased me from roe to nikel . Heaven forbid a sorc runs from 40 people who want to kill him, heaven forbid a night blade cloaks and gets away from a Zerg. This game used to support both styles of play, now it primarily supports zergs only. Oh and those same zergs cause server performance to go to poo and ping rates in the red when they come around.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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uso245✭✭✭I personally do and lead small group PvP and gank squads with a couple guilds I am in and we always find PvP. You just need to know who, when, and where to do it. If you see a zerg you obviously don't take 1-2 people with you and jump in the center of them (you can if you want) but usually you want to pick off the ones in the backside of the zerg cause generally the front isn't paying attention to what is going on behind them. Lead a group numbers times where when a zerg is going through a bottleneck you cut right through the center of them and generally by the time the front (which is still moving) realizes the backside suddenly gets stalled you get them down and can quickly engage them after or stealth back up.My Facebook Page
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briandivisionb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I personally do and lead small group PvP and gank squads with a couple guilds I am in and we always find PvP. You just need to know who, when, and where to do it. If you see a zerg you obviously don't take 1-2 people with you and jump in the center of them (you can if you want) but usually you want to pick off the ones in the backside of the zerg cause generally the front isn't paying attention to what is going on behind them. Lead a group numbers times where when a zerg is going through a bottleneck you cut right through the center of them and generally by the time the front (which is still moving) realizes the backside suddenly gets stalled you get them down and can quickly engage them after or stealth back up.
Even without caps you couldn't jump a zerg 2v20 not if they were skilled
This just plain sucks. 75% mitigation right off the bat. Come on...!If your group is bigger than 6 members gain 75% damage reduction.
Write this on the back of your box and see how many sales you get!
You won't get any new PvP players until this archaic AoE crap is fixed.
I for one won't resub until:
1.) You fix lag.
2.) You remove AOE caps we voted against.
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Kelleton✭✭✭PvP is currently all about AOE so we want to make them stronger?
You think steel tornado and detonation spam is bad now?
they need skills with pushback mechanics..neverwinter mage comes to mind, where you can bomb characters 20-30 yards out of their small bunch and create confusion/chaos.
Siege damage needs to be increased by about 200-300%
Rapids needs to only hit 4 people
Barrier needs to hit only 4 people.
CC in this game is pretty terrible and needs a rework
Escape skills need cooldowns
Edited by Kelleton on October 30, 2015 10:41PM1
