Malmai wrote: »

Why not we are losing people in ESO everyday and we need new players, but new players wont stay bcs older players grinded SKILL...

Players come and go all the time, and not just because of one mechanic, and not just in this game.

I like that there is going to be a cap but I don't like the way the catch up mechanic works.

One champion point should never cost more than 400k experience before or after the cap.

I think it is hard to choose a side. As someone who has much less CP than many players, it's really a comfort to know the gap will be smaller. However starting from a certain amount of CP it will become harder to obtain CP. So even though the gap is closer, it will still not solve the problems of people trying to catch up with the CP.

I don't know, it's a hard one, I something though so I would more support it, I just don't think it's optimal yet.

Just because someone has no life and has the luxury(lol) of playing Eso 24/7 does not mean they should have an advantage over any other player. Having this much play time should be an advantage already, you will have all the gear and knowledge to beat players who only play something like twice a week.

Many of us wish we could play Eso 24/7 will no responsibilities, however most of us have jobs/careers/family's/businesses/school/etc which need plenty of time invested as well.

The CP cap is a nice band-aid fix. However still does not help any players with under 100 CP playing against capped out players.

It's a step in the right direction.

It's good to cap the system as it is designed, yes.
They should cap it lower still and never raise it imo.
Or change the system so it's isn't so powerful.

get rid of it.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Just because someone has no life and has the luxury(lol) of playing Eso 24/7 does not mean they should have an advantage over any other player. Having this much play time should be an advantage already, you will have all the gear and knowledge to beat players who only play something like twice a week.

Many of us wish we could play Eso 24/7 will no responsibilities, however most of us have jobs/careers/family's/businesses/school/etc which need plenty of time invested as well.

The CP cap is a nice band-aid fix. However still does not help any players with under 100 CP playing against capped out players.

It's a step in the right direction.

Which is why for awhile they will gain CP as a largely accelerated rate for awhile compared to pre-cap.

I voted no because the cap is too low for such a fast catch up mechanic. Plus alot of people will be at or above the cap by the time its put in or shortly after and the sense of progression will be lost.

Overall I do support a cap though.

To the people saying "grinded skill" like its a negative thing I dont agree with either. MMOs are built on progression systems and these players just tried to capitilize on it. In my opinion thats smart game play. Smart gameplay can and should be considered skill. When it comes down to the attributes most would consider skill like twitch, precision, countering, and strategy this game just is not high skilled. I would actually consider it extremely easy in all aspects and no ive never grinded CP.

Also you should never pick up an allready established MMO and think that you are going to be competitive right off the bat. If thats what you want try MOBAs

Side note: Battle leveling is rediculous ATM and the stats should be more realistic of a low to moderatly geared VR14.

I played this one game where, if you didn't put in the same time as everyone else, you'd never be as strong as some people. was pretty fun. You could tell who was passionate and dedicated to playing it. And it's probably a bad idea to try and PK those people. all these instant gratification kids want the WoW private (or i guess offical server now?) where you create a character with max everything. But like I've been saying this cap is going to tick off two kinds of people. The people who put time in to go above and beyond only to be brought back. And the people who wanted the cap and are still getting destroyed in PVP. Thanks for delaying the feeling of progression. Oh and btw, when the cap reaches say...2000. What are the new players who come in at that point of the game going to want?

-M

No option to remove them .....
so no vote

I shamelessly repost myself anywhere the CP cap is mentioned.

How i´d fix the cp system without a cap:


The first step would be: Hardcap the whole CP system at 900CP. This should not be increased ever - so even a maxed out player (highly unlikely) still has to make decisions regarding passives. Then remove enlightenment from the game.

The second thing would be a different XP curve:

1 to 100 CP are 50.000 XP each
101 to 200 CP are 100.000 XP each
201 to 300 PC are 150.000 XP each
301 to 400 CP are 200.000 XP each
401 to 500 CP are 600.000 XP each
501 to 600 CP are 1.800.000 XP each
601 to 700 CP are 3.600.000 XP each
701 to 800 CP are 5.400.000 XP each
801 to 900 CP are 10.800.000 XP each

Now convert the champion XP every player got under the old system into the new one.
No progression is lost for anyone. Low CP players gain a lot. Very high CP player loose a lot of power. But nothing they did is hidden or lost behind an arbitrairy wall.
As an added bonus grinding over 600cp just becomes so unrewarding and unattractive in terms of powergain only the most dedicated people would do ist - and they would not have the tremendous advantages they have now.

An Example:

In the old system the XP required to reach the cap of 3600CP was 1.440.000.000. Now it would require someone 2.270.000.000 XP to reach the cap of 900.
You would reach 800cp at about ~1.200.000.000 XP (half of the cap xp wise you´d be sitting at 800 of 900 cp).

Someone with 100CP in the old system would now have 350CP.
Someone with 1000CP in the old system would now have 630CP.
Someone with 2000CP now would have 727CP in the new system for example and require 5.4 million XP for the next CP they earn.

This is undeniably still an advantage for a player with very high time investment but instead of having 10 to 20 times the championpoints the "grinder" does merely have double the CP of a normal player.

For someone pickung up on the game it would mean by the time they reach V16 they would have 186CP to spend instead of 34.

This would keep the (for some people enjoyable) grind and longterm goals in the game while at the same time putting people in roughly the same ballpark CP wise. Sure having 700cp compared to 350 is a huge advantage still but imho everyone would have a fighting chance.

After that they´d have to balance out passives.
Eg: Add physical mitigation. Remove dot mitigation. Make light heavy attacks more attractive. Buff magica related 75p and 120p passives etc...

AfkNinja wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Just because someone has no life and has the luxury of playing Eso 24/7 does not mean they should have an advantage over any other player. They should have an advantage because of this play time alone.

Many of us wish we could play Eso 24/7 will no responsibilities, however most of us have jobs/careers/family's/businesses/school/etc that need time invested in as well.

The thing is...that's how life works.
I get it tho...this is a game and some feel it shouldn't work like life. Hey...at least they are trying to balance things tho....even if it doesn't work out so well

This is not how life works. Time does not equal skill in real life. In real life SKILL is always the determining factor in a victory, in ESO people who grind (time) have a huge advantage over skill.

This is why some people are just naturally talented at things and will always be better than you regardless of time investment.

time does not equal skill, you're correct.
But in this situation, people who have talent and opportunity are using their time to improve and build upon their skills which make them better than others. Thats life as skill comes with practice and work, talent is something people bring to the table but when opportunity and talent work to produce and improve skills, then its justified.

I won't say that this is 100% how CP's work but generally speaking its the same concept.
BUT....hey its a video game so the devs can change that and balance things a little more, I do agree that balance is in store here and just like real life, you cant just allow people to run-away with things.....or can you?

I don't know...do you

Gunphu wrote: »

I voted no because the cap is too low for such a fast catch up mechanic. Plus alot of people will be at or above the cap by the time its put in or shortly after and the sense of progression will be lost.

Overall I do support a cap though.

To the people saying "grinded skill" like its a negative thing I dont agree with either. MMOs are built on progression systems and these players just tried to capitilize on it. In my opinion thats smart game play. Smart gameplay can and should be considered skill. When it comes down to the attributes most would consider skill like twitch, precision, countering, and strategy this game just is not high skilled. I would actually consider it extremely easy in all aspects and no ive never grinded CP.

Also you should never pick up an allready established MMO and think that you are going to be competitive right off the bat. If thats what you want try MOBAs

Side note: Battle leveling is rediculous ATM and the stats should be more realistic of a low to moderatly geared VR14.

You are aware that eso statistic said average cp was 93 just about a week ago right