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47's thoughts on the state of the game and the Stampion system 501pt cap

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I was going to write a compilation of my current thoughts through imperial city. This would include thoughts on the state of the game, class and resource balance, content, gear, and whatever else struck my fancy. It got really long to here I will only address the state of the game and the stampion system.

I have been quite critical of the decisions made by ZOS in the past as the employees reading this know. I am currently banned by ZOS from the ZOS / guild TS meetings on pain of the whole guild will not get to meet with ZOS if I show up. I am unapologetic. I said what needed to be said about bad decisions being made. I am much happier now though because I feel many of the changes recently made have been quite good. Some that I thought were bad or just plain lazy and likely to backfire have worked well. I will elaborate. I think that for the first time in a year or so this game is on the right track and getting better every week.

First off, imperial city is better than I expected. I have hated the boardom and monotony of PVP in ESO with the riding and the long sieges and the lack of action punctuated by a lag fest before more riding. Imperial city is so much different than this. It is lag free and horse free with areas of reasonably near respawns for near constant battles in very atmospheric surroundings. If there are no enemy scrubs to impale there are also NPC’s to kill. Oh so much fun, and the telvar stones seem to have just the right amount of sting when you loose them or elation when you steal them. With imperial city I am reliably enjoying PVP in ESO. I should also include here a thank you to ESO for the anti hacker counter measures that are preventing certain folks from basically being invulnerable. That being said, it is my understanding these measures are causing the nightmare load screens. This may be fixed with Orsinium as the load screens did seem shorter there. Another fix is only to use those counter measures in PVP and trials. Who cares if people cheat in Auridon and how would you be able to tell when you are near invulnerable in quest zone content and can one hit anything anyway.

I would also like to congratulate ZOS on class balance in general. I think this is the first time that really all classes in ESO are viable. Furthermore, most classes can even be rolled stam or magic with viability in PVE (really no one can be viable with magica in PVP).
This brings us to the big champion point cap. Having 5 max toons, and well over cap in CP, I should probably be against this but I feel that it is necessary, well implemented (you don’t loose your points you just can’t use them until the cap is raised), and will make ESO a better game in that power levels will be closer to competitive and new players will be less discouraged. The truth is that the need for this should have been foreseen day 1 and certainly after the crazyness 3 months ago with elite players in the red alliance getting to 1,500 in a few weeks off of the 5 finger grind it should have been implemented. Better late then never.

Before I leave CP though I must address the biggest problem for balance in the game today and that is some of the choices made in the specific points. Or, better termed, why I call it the Stampion system. Perhaps some new players are not aware but constellations exist for the direct mitigation of 25% off all sources (elements, magic) of magica based damage as well as a single constellation that yields an additional 25% to spell resistance (this is a percent of a percent and therefore far less interesting) and a constellation for mitigating 25% of DOT damage. Since almost all Magica AOE’s, Fire ring, Blazing Shards, Puncturing Sweep, Liquid Lightning, talons, and probably more, are DOT’s. It is easy enough to see that it will not be uncommon for Stamina players to have hard capped at 50% their resistance to magica damage even when magica users spell penetration is considered. Frankly, I don’t even think spell pen is part of the equation with these direct mitigations. This has been my experience in playing. Groups that contain experienced players with CP, the groups that leave you with only spinning blades and detonation on your death recap, take very little damage from any magica AOE’s. On the other side of this, the only mitigation that exists for physical damage for a magica user is a percent of a percent based on your armor’s physical resistance and strangely divided by armor weight. For a light armor using mage this is entirely useless as all 25% of the increase would only be around 5% mitigation and, since it is a boost to armor rating, would be obliterated by your enemies armor penetration anyway. You would get probably less than 1% resistance. This is easily demonstrated by 8.4k spinning blade hits on the recap (yes, that actually happened.) Although stam AOE is better in PVE it is not overly unbalanced and the better healing and ranged DPS of magica users balances out the resource types. In my experience PVE players are split fairly evenly magica vs stam. Because of these champ point choices though magica vs stam cannont be balanced in PVE and PVP because the magica damage will be twice in PVE what it is in PVP. This must be addressed if any balance of magic vs stam is to be had. I suggest adding a direct physical damage mitigation and making the DOT and other mitigations not stack for direct player damage though probably still stack on siege damage.

On the other side of the equation, the damage output side, in the end all builds will get an equal damage boost. This will consist of a major boost of +25% to direct damage (Physical, magic, poison, or elemental), a heavy attack boost of +25%, and two indirect boosts (crit, and penetration.) All told this adds up to around +40% with the meat of this being the 25% direct boost. Now that we have a cap this is very important as stamina users (other than bow) will get that whole direct 25% boost to all their damage but most magica users (sorcs, NB, and Templar) will not as their damage is split between elemental and magica which are two different constellations. You see, while the total power increase is the same for magica and stam because of the split damage types of magica users theirs requires 300 more champion points to realize. This is also true with some bow builds but less so. With a cap of 501 it is no dice on this. The magica builds will simply loose 15% or so of potential damage output when compared to Stam builds. The solution to this balance problem with regard to damage output at 501 CP is simple. Currently the Thalmaturge star boosts poison, disease, and magic damage. This is a strange and haphazard combination since no one actually does those three damages. One is done principally by mages, another archers, and the last by siege. Clearly magic should be in the elemental in the tree for magic damage, poison should be with physical damage in the tree for stamina damage and siege damage should probably have a star that boosts only it with the other stars not contributing to siege damage regardless of source.

To summarize, though great strides have been made in class balance the specific make up of the stampion system is the greatest current impediment to better balance. Mitigation and output considered stamina toons should be expected to be probably 40% stronger in PVP than their balance relative to magic in PVE preventing any global balance in the game. The specific solutions to this are, on the output side to split the thalmaturge star placing its magic damage in elemental, poison in physical, and changing the existing star to affect all siege damage. On the mitigation side, magic mitigation and elemental mitigation should be put together in a star and the other star made a direct, regardless of armor rating, physical damage mitigation. The direct DOT star should also be changed to not stack with the direct mitigation stars.

I hope this leads to some beneficial changes. For now, it’s stam sorc for me, in PVP. The beauty of 5toons is that, at the end of the day, I can run whatever works for the moment.

-47
I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class currently not viable is DK.

    Edited by CyrusArya on October 28, 2015 8:13PM
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  • Islyn
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
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    tl;dr for now - will later - just wanted to say Hiya!

    As I play on EU now, I didn't know you still were playing xD Last I saw, you left about when I did.

    Nice to see ya hunny!
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  • f047ys3v3n
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    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.
    Edited by f047ys3v3n on October 28, 2015 8:19PM
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you can provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    Insults are not part of a learned debater's repertoire. Just sayin'
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    Did not read lol
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  • f047ys3v3n
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    Islyn wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    -47

    tl;dr for now - will later - just wanted to say Hiya!

    As I play on EU now, I didn't know you still were playing xD Last I saw, you left about when I did.

    Nice to see ya hunny!

    It is nice to see you as well. I did leave for a couple of months following the stampion system release when I lost most of my buddies do to poor game management decisions and there was little to do but look for grinds and new grinds when they got nerfed. Now things seem to be going much better though and the changes with imp city and since have indicated to me that things are on the right track and I expect the state of the game to continue to improve. Perhaps we will even get some players back. Certainly, I have noticed the starter zones just brimming with new players who have none of those bad memories and love the game all the more for it. I currently see this stam / magica imbalance in the champ system as the biggest impediment to further balance and also a very simple fix. Great progress seems to have been made on the trickier issue of class balance. I can no longer say which class I think is strongest, just which is better at doing which specific things and which I think is the most versatile. Perhaps I will get around to writing a post on that but I doubt it as my time is limited and I don't consider any urgent need for addressing anything specifically. More likely I will write about the toilet that is the destro staff line. I did not even level a single attack skill in that entire line on the last magica templar I made. It's just all garbage in terms of magnitude.
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    Islyn wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    -47

    tl;dr for now - will later - just wanted to say Hiya!

    As I play on EU now, I didn't know you still were playing xD Last I saw, you left about when I did.

    Nice to see ya hunny!

    It is nice to see you as well. I did leave for a couple of months following the stampion system release when I lost most of my buddies do to poor game management decisions and there was little to do but look for grinds and new grinds when they got nerfed. Now things seem to be going much better though and the changes with imp city and since have indicated to me that things are on the right track and I expect the state of the game to continue to improve. Perhaps we will even get some players back. Certainly, I have noticed the starter zones just brimming with new players who have none of those bad memories and love the game all the more for it. I currently see this stam / magica imbalance in the champ system as the biggest impediment to further balance and also a very simple fix. Great progress seems to have been made on the trickier issue of class balance. I can no longer say which class I think is strongest, just which is better at doing which specific things and which I think is the most versatile. Perhaps I will get around to writing a post on that but I doubt it as my time is limited and I don't consider any urgent need for addressing anything specifically. More likely I will write about the toilet that is the destro staff line. I did not even level a single attack skill in that entire line on the last magica templar I made. It's just all garbage in terms of magnitude.

    Yep i agree re Destro staff Omg.

    I just came back like a week ago or so ago, and only have used Destro Staff in VWGT for Portals. I switched to vamp bane though because D staff is just (for me) useless at the moment.

    I think if they fix molten weapons I probably will even go double resto on my Mana DK.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    I barely read anything beyond that whole mess of "being in a guild that actually meets with Zenimax" as if stating said guild is special or something. Also I could tell beforehand it was going to be another rant thread, and I also don't bother reading text walls lol
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    I barely read anything beyond that whole mess of "being in a guild that actually meets with Zenimax" as if stating said guild is special or something. Also I could tell beforehand it was going to be another rant thread, and I also don't bother reading text walls lol

    Hiya, from Early Access, there were a few Larger Guilds on PC NA who met often with people from ZOS in TS. Many of us were in these guilds BEFORE the game ever was released and played beta together.

    I've known 47 over a year and have run with him since the beginning and happen to know that he is not saying that to make himself look good or drop names. He is making the point that he has through remaining true to his convictions, gotten himself on the stinky end of the stick with ZOS ;)

    Dial back the leaps to conclusions and assumptions. :)

    It's actually an insightful post.

    However, given you guys on consoles just started playing, probably not as relevant to you as you don't know the hell we all went through at first. :) As far as it seems to me the meta on consoles is something else entirely.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    Islyn wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    I barely read anything beyond that whole mess of "being in a guild that actually meets with Zenimax" as if stating said guild is special or something. Also I could tell beforehand it was going to be another rant thread, and I also don't bother reading text walls lol

    Hiya, from Early Access, there were a few Larger Guilds on PC NA who met often with people from ZOS in TS. Many of us were in these guilds BEFORE the game ever was released and played beta together.

    I've known 47 over a year and have run with him since the beginning and happen to know that he is not saying that to make himself look good or drop names. He is making the point that he has through remaining true to his convictions, gotten himself on the stinky end of the stick with ZOS ;)

    Dial back the leaps to conclusions and assumptions. :)

    It's actually an insightful post.

    However, given you guys on consoles just started playing, probably not as relevant to you as you don't know the hell we all went through at first. :) As far as it seems to me the meta on consoles is something else entirely.

    Beta is beta, and that was awhile back. Regardless of whether it is true or not and still holds to this day it is the arrogance implied that I was addressing, that's all.
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on October 28, 2015 8:57PM
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  • Islyn
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    Islyn wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    I barely read anything beyond that whole mess of "being in a guild that actually meets with Zenimax" as if stating said guild is special or something. Also I could tell beforehand it was going to be another rant thread, and I also don't bother reading text walls lol

    Hiya, from Early Access, there were a few Larger Guilds on PC NA who met often with people from ZOS in TS. Many of us were in these guilds BEFORE the game ever was released and played beta together.

    I've known 47 over a year and have run with him since the beginning and happen to know that he is not saying that to make himself look good or drop names. He is making the point that he has through remaining true to his convictions, gotten himself on the stinky end of the stick with ZOS ;)

    Dial back the leaps to conclusions and assumptions. :)

    It's actually an insightful post.

    However, given you guys on consoles just started playing, probably not as relevant to you as you don't know the hell we all went through at first. :) As far as it seems to me the meta on consoles is something else entirely.

    Beta is beta, and that was awhile back. Regardless of whether it is true or not and still holds to this day it is the arrogance implied that I was addressing, that's all.

    And I am only saying that I doubt very much he was being arrogant. YOu do get a little cynical and jaded after the stuff we went through with this game, though :)
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    Islyn wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    I barely read anything beyond that whole mess of "being in a guild that actually meets with Zenimax" as if stating said guild is special or something. Also I could tell beforehand it was going to be another rant thread, and I also don't bother reading text walls lol

    Hiya, from Early Access, there were a few Larger Guilds on PC NA who met often with people from ZOS in TS. Many of us were in these guilds BEFORE the game ever was released and played beta together.

    I've known 47 over a year and have run with him since the beginning and happen to know that he is not saying that to make himself look good or drop names. He is making the point that he has through remaining true to his convictions, gotten himself on the stinky end of the stick with ZOS ;)

    Dial back the leaps to conclusions and assumptions. :)

    It's actually an insightful post.

    However, given you guys on consoles just started playing, probably not as relevant to you as you don't know the hell we all went through at first. :) As far as it seems to me the meta on consoles is something else entirely.

    That's all fine and good, but coming off as arrogant and elitist does little to bolster the validity of the message.

    That being said, it is good to hear from those who were here in the beginning and I found the OP's post insightful.
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you can provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    Insults are not part of a learned debater's repertoire. Just sayin'

    HAHAHAHA this is the internet who in the hell debates over a computer? in person A debate would be much more constructive and yield greater results.
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  • Cadbury
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Read up to where you said no one can be viable with Magicka in PvP and then decided your rant isn't worth the time. Maybe you can't be viable with magicka, in which case that's a L2P issue m8. Magicka Sorc, NB, and Templar are in a good place right now and I've seen all three of em to be very viable. The only magicka class that currently is not viable is DK.

    Can't expect people to take you seriously if you make ridiculous statements like that.

    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you can provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    Insults are not part of a learned debater's repertoire. Just sayin'

    HAHAHAHA this is the internet who in the hell debates over a computer? in person A debate would be much more constructive and yield greater results.

    LOL good point. I guess I expected better from PvPers :#
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    what is this Stampion system of which you speak . . . ?
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    what is this Stampion system of which you speak . . . ?

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  • CyrusArya
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    Yes, the statement is hyperbole. The dubbing of the champion system the stampion system is also hyperbole. You really should read a little more and maybe you could provide some insights regarding my specific points as opposed to your critique of my use of literary devices. That, or you could learn what hyperbole is and pass 9th grade English.

    There's no need to make such extreme hyperbole if you have a solid point. But that point can literally be communicated with one sentence, there's no need to write a novel about it...especially when it's basically common knowledge. Maybe if you'd passed 9th grade english, you'd realize the value of being concise should you wanna hold an audience ;).

    If someone has to make such extreme exaggerations to get their points across, I'm inclined to believe they have a reactionary and biased, not balanced, view. Your little 'stampion' meme (how clever) is unnecessary and once again exaggerates the issue. While the system does slightly favor stamina builds, this does not define the system. I can argue that the general game design favors Magicka builds, and as such the stamina bias in the CP system is justified. Stamina builds can be expected to be 40% stronger in PvP? Thats a claim based on nothing but your opinions, disregarding a million other variables. How do you even quantify something like that when the two play styles are so fundamentally different? Can't take you seriously, and quite frankly idgaf who you think you are "47", lol.

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  • f047ys3v3n
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    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Maybe if you'd passed 9th grade english, you'd realize the value of being concise should you wanna hold an audience ;).

    lol, your not as slow as I thought.

    I would be surprised if my 40% number on how much stronger stam powered zergs are relative to magica powered ones isn't pretty good. Based on the death recap numbers of mine and some buddies and the unequal mitigations of the CP system vs the fairly equal mitigations of mobs in PVE I would say it's not to far off.

    As for this being common knowledge, it certainly seems so for the most elite groups I have run across as a 6x spinning blades death recap is not uncommon and I have never had a skill show up on a recap from one of those groups that indicates magica dps such as blazing spear or impulse. I would not say this is common knowledge though or even that the developers are aware. There are relatively few groups like this out there. It takes time for people to adjust witness the amazingness of Stam sorc right now but the relative paucity of them. Knowledge filters slowly and reactions to balance issues done in a timely fashion can prevent another mess like more than 50% of players being dk's at the end of 1.5. I believe Champion point imbalance PVE vs PVP with regard to stamina / magica is such a systemic balance issue.
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    The best assertion in it is the 50% decreased magic damage one, that's 300 points in the lady constellation lol.

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    just a quick question, if the loading screens are tied to anti hack software, then why are there still 3 well known players running around taking 0 damage from 10k attacks? Also, if that is the case with the anti hack software, why did those players I did not mention in the last sentence not get banned for hacking/exploiting?

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    Cadbury wrote: »
    Insults are not part of a learned debater's repertoire. Just sayin'

    HAHAHAHA this is the internet who in the hell debates over a computer? in person A debate would be much more constructive and yield greater results.

    I was tempted to earn a ban...

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    The best assertion in it is the 50% decreased magic damage one, that's 300 points in the lady constellation lol.

    I am above 30% and have not been killed by a magica user or set of magica users in my memory. It is not as if I don't get wrecked. I got blown up by a stam sorc the other day so quick it made my head spin. It is just that, with better than 30% hard mitigation vs any magic DOT, and most magic attacks are DOT's, I have a pretty dominant advantage. Also, I think the better players in PVP, the ones more practiced, skilled, and often with more CP than me are pretty much all stam at this point unless they are the group healer. Honestly, it is not hard to be a better PVP player than me. I just wandered over from PVE with my dual role magica templar because they won't update or make new trials and the halfway house that is Imperial city sucked me in.

    Of course, now I am rolling my sorc stam. I can learns things. It's fun. This Orc sorc was my first toon and has been sitting on the shelf as a crafting alt for more than 6 months.
    Edited by f047ys3v3n on October 29, 2015 8:20PM
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    Trying to figure out the logic in dismissing someone's post because it is long or because the poster is perceived as arrogant.

    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
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    Lol magika not viable in pvp @rokrdt05
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  • rokrdt05
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    ralonasan wrote: »
    Lol magika not viable in pvp @rokrdt05

    Magicka not viable in pvp? Are you serious OP?

    Magicka Classes are extremely viable, with maybe the exception of DK's who have it a little harder right now. Your assumption that magicka will not be as strong as stamina next patch because of the CP cap is unfounded. Did you even go to he PTS? Did you theory craft new gear/rotations? I'm going to guess you didn't if you really believe what you are saying.

    I've been playing at the 501 CP cap with my magicka sorcs and NB's. I have no issues rolling over people and holding my own against other skilled players or players who have a lot of CP.

    This post has come off sounding more like L2P issues.
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »
    The best assertion in it is the 50% decreased magic damage one, that's 300 points in the lady constellation lol.

    I am above 30% and have not been killed by a magica user or set of magica users in my memory. It is not as if I don't get wrecked. I got blown up by a stam sorc the other day so quick it made my head spin. It is just that, with better than 30% hard mitigation vs any magic DOT, and most magic attacks are DOT's, I have a pretty dominant advantage. Also, I think the better players in PVP, the ones more practiced, skilled, and often with more CP than me are pretty much all stam at this point unless they are the group healer. Honestly, it is not hard to be a better PVP player than me. I just wandered over from PVE with my dual role magica templar because they won't update or make new trials and the halfway house that is Imperial city sucked me in.

    Of course, now I am rolling my sorc stam. I can learns things. It's fun. This Orc sorc was my first toon and has been sitting on the shelf as a crafting alt for more than 6 months.

    Please tell me you are on NA PC... I'd be happy to show you what a magicka based character can do.
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