What would you rather have...

TheNephilimCrow · October 2015

There has been allot of heated conversation about nerfs and buffs... instead of finding out why you want them nerfed, I'm wondering now what would you rather have happen.

Cody · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Buff to DKS and templars; no more nerfs. I am sick of nerfs; the 50% reduction in damage in PvP for example.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

DKs need a buff, 30k+ single target dps is not enough, I want to be able to kill all dungeon bosses in less than 20 sec.

But seriously (as this poll is probably intended as pvp only) I don't think any class needs a special buff. Zos should instead reconsider some of the changes they did that made surviving when outnumbered really hard. (Removing Blinding Flashes / Cinderstorm, dynamic ulti generation, stamina reg while blocking, ...)

Tryxus · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Dear ZOS

Please start boosting instead of nerfing, kthxbai

Asmael · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Buff sorcs and NBs.
Nerf DKs and temps.

Jitterbug · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

... and I'm a stam sorc

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Asmael wrote: »

Buff sorcs and NBs.
Nerf DKs and temps.

*hits the 'LOL' button!*

hardcore_gmr · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Personally I think all the classes are in a good place now, but I would like to see them alter some of the nerfs to game mechanics they have implemented.

1) I get they don't want people hiding behind shields, block casting and being a dull meat shield. But the zero stamina regen on block needs to be buffed to 50% stamina regen reduction on block. This way its still a deterent to block casting and meat shields as you will have to not block at some point to regen stamina properly. But at least you are not forced to have to block incoming attacks with your face because you can't afford to block more than 3 or 4 attacks.

2) No one like shield stacking sorcs, (well maybe shield stacking sorcs like that play style, but everyone else....) but the problem is not the shield stacking in pvp. Its the fact that these shield cannot be crit and therefore must be manually taken down or Shield breaker. I think the whole debuff to shields should be removed but in its place they should allow shields to be crit. The 50% shield reduction helps deter shield stacking sorcs, but it kills other classes with shields who shield is not scaled off of max resource instead of health. Speaking of which, how about we say all shield based skills will scale off your max stat, similar to what they did with battle roar.

3) Player need to gain ultimate based off the number of targets they are engaging, period. There should be no reason why one player fighting a group of five, that the one person should gain ultimate at the same rate as the five. I can't say dynamic ulti regen was great because that is a slippery slope back to DK dominance, but if I am in a 1vx fight and we all started with no ulti up, I should reach my ulti before the larger group because I am taking on more targets. The trick to avoid the DK dominance is to give a universal cooldown for all ultimate abilities, say 5 seconds. Players do not gain any ultimate for 5 seconds after they've used an ultimate. This will at least space out the ulti use of a DK long enough to be taken out, especially when you consider that Battle roar does not refill all stats based on max magic but refills based on each stats max capacity.

4) Its time to start considering a third morph for all class abilities. In most cases this third morph needs to be stamina based. There is no reason Nightblade should be the only class with that many stamina based abilities and every body else gets 2 maybe 3 abilities. Weapon skills are great for stamina users but it's clear that by now we have all figured out which ones are worth using and which ones are better left untouched. This means every stamina user plays pretty much the same, except stamina nightblade who gets to play the class the same way as a magic nightblade (although with less magic resources). Class skills are what defines a class, they give extra meaning to picking the class we have, and everyone except stamina nightblade is penalized for playing stamina because we only get 2 stamina based skills.

/rant

willymchilybily · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

lol at non biased thread, heh
still cant buff dk though to good at PvE to get a buff for PvP.

TheBull · October 2015

A buff to Templar

Buff my templar!

TheBull · October 2015

A buff to Templar

Dragonknights are in a great place imo. Strong stamina and magicka builds with a lot of variety.

Remember 1.1. We must never go back.

Ara_Valleria · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

TheBull wrote: »

Dragonknights are in a great place imo. Strong stamina and magicka builds with a lot of variety.

This is a joke right ?

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

A buff to Templar

I just want all classes to be able to perform all roles well: Healer, Tank, Dps Mag, Dps Stam.

shadowwraith666 · October 2015

A buff to Templar

enough with the nerfs already!

Skiserony · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

TheBull wrote: »

Dragonknights are in a great place imo. Strong stamina and magicka builds with a lot of variety.

Remember 1.1. We must never go back.

Dragonknights are in an 'alright' place, while NB and Sorcs are in a 'excellent' position, and Templars somewhere in between, kind of depends.

Don't expect a DK or Templar do fight of similar 1vX situations as NB and Sorcs. 1v1 I must say DK do have a decent position and are rather strong. But there is no single updated videoclip on youtube uploaded (at least very very rare) that a DK fights and kills over 3 enemies on his own. This goes the same for Templars, they are pretty good at keeping themselves alive but just have not the ability to go in big 1vX fight even with professionals playing like Sypher or Lefty Lucy.

But really, in duels a DK or Templar really could win from a NB or Sorc, just out there in the fields they don't have the same possibilities as a NB and Sorc.

Not saying any is OP or UP. Mostly depends on situations.

AfkNinja · October 2015

A buff to Templar

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

usmcjdking · October 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

Neither of these classes need to specifically be buffed.

Rather, the DKs primary role of TANK and the Templars secondary role of TANK need to be heartily buffed.

AfkNinja · October 2015

A buff to Templar

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

Neither of these classes need to specifically be buffed.

Rather, the DKs primary role of TANK and the Templars secondary role of TANK need to be heartily buffed.

Buff perhaps is the wrong word. What I am seeking is re-balancing of the class as a whole, Many changes have taken place since launch and Templar has not had a big update to review all of the broken skills, lacking passives and generally useless skills resulting in most Templar's being cookie cutter carbon copies of eachother. Dragon Knight is also in need of evaluation. Every class should have Magic and Stamina options not just Nightblade. Nightblade is a well though out class with synergistic passives and multiple options for both styles of play. I want that for everyone.

usmcjdking · October 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

Neither of these classes need to specifically be buffed.

Rather, the DKs primary role of TANK and the Templars secondary role of TANK need to be heartily buffed.

Buff perhaps is the wrong word. What I am seeking is re-balancing of the class as a whole, Many changes have taken place since launch and Templar has not had a big update to review all of the broken skills, lacking passives and generally useless skills resulting in most Templar's being cookie cutter carbon copies of eachother. Dragon Knight is also in need of evaluation. Every class should have Magic and Stamina options not just Nightblade. Nightblade is a well though out class with synergistic passives and multiple options for both styles of play. I want that for everyone.

Magicka/Stamina is not the issue with these classes. They both perform at an acceptable rate, IMO. They both have a lot of flat buffs which are unaffected by stam and magicka that strongly benefit health if health did anything other than give you HP. The issue is that both of these classes could get a LOT out of health if it were even a remotely desirable stat.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Would have chose templar also if I could. And unnerf bolt escape.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · October 2015

A buff to Templar

cant decide between templar and dk on one hand magicka dks have the highes pve dps but suck at pvp on the other magicka templars are cool for pvp but suck at pve dps

Armitas · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

TheBull wrote: »

Dragonknights are in a great place imo. Strong stamina and magicka builds with a lot of variety.

Remember 1.1. We must never go back.

Can you link us the strong magicka build?

AfkNinja · October 2015

A buff to Templar

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

Neither of these classes need to specifically be buffed.

Rather, the DKs primary role of TANK and the Templars secondary role of TANK need to be heartily buffed.

Buff perhaps is the wrong word. What I am seeking is re-balancing of the class as a whole, Many changes have taken place since launch and Templar has not had a big update to review all of the broken skills, lacking passives and generally useless skills resulting in most Templar's being cookie cutter carbon copies of eachother. Dragon Knight is also in need of evaluation. Every class should have Magic and Stamina options not just Nightblade. Nightblade is a well though out class with synergistic passives and multiple options for both styles of play. I want that for everyone.

Magicka/Stamina is not the issue with these classes. They both perform at an acceptable rate, IMO. They both have a lot of flat buffs which are unaffected by stam and magicka that strongly benefit health if health did anything other than give you HP. The issue is that both of these classes could get a LOT out of health if it were even a remotely desirable stat.

Magicka Vs Stamina is absolutely the issue here man. If I go Magicka Templar everything is groovy, all my passives are decent to okay, all skills function other than a few bugs. Can heal well (defense), can do dmg well can be kinda tanky.

Stamina is where the main issue I have with Templar is. Templars primary defense is heals. When you go stamina Templar you lose your primary defense. Does Nightblade lose their primary defense when they go Stamina? No. No other class is as gutted as templar when you chose to go Stamina. None of our healing passives work on stamina heals. Literally a third or more of the class becomes unusable junk. No synergy with our passives, only 3 stamina morphs one of which is pointless and no-one uses leaving us with Binding Javelin (weak ST CC) and Biting Jabs (amazing dps but can be dodged).

You don't have a problem with the fact that most of a Stamina Templar's kit is not Templar skills? Why does Nightblade get to be the only class with competent Magic AND Stamina options? Further why is Templar's class defense (Rune Focus) 8 seconds long and Sorc's is 20?

I don't want Templar to be buffed I just want it fixed. Bring it up to Nightblades level. Same with Dragon Knight.

DannyLV702 · October 2015

A nerf to Sorcerer

Asmael wrote: »

Buff sorcs and NBs.
Nerf DKs and temps.

THIS

usmcjdking · October 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

No more Nerfs. Buff DK and Templar instead.

Neither of these classes need to specifically be buffed.

Rather, the DKs primary role of TANK and the Templars secondary role of TANK need to be heartily buffed.

You don't have a problem with the fact that most of a Stamina Templar's kit is not Templar skills?

I don't want Templar to be buffed I just want it fixed. Bring it up to Nightblades level. Same with Dragon Knight.

No.

I don't have a problem. I would venture to say that neglecting your primary defensive resource in favor of a few more numbers on FTC is a tremendously BAD idea. Dead DPS does no DPS.

AfkNinja · October 2015

A buff to Templar

usmcjdking wrote: »

I don't have a problem. I would venture to say that neglecting your primary defensive resource in favor of a few more numbers on FTC is a tremendously BAD idea. Dead DPS does no DPS.

So what you are saying is that Templar's that go stamina deserve to lose out on over a third of their whole class and have to rely on non-templar skills to get any defense? SERIOUSLY?
Do you not understand they have no choice? What's the role of a DPS? To do damage. To do dmg as a Stamina class you have to INVEST IN STAMINA. But to have ANY defensive utility as a Templar requires you to stack mana. Why? Because heals and a couple shields are the only defensive utilities that rely purely on how much mana you have to even be remotely effective.

This means choosing stamina effectively ruins your defense. Less defense than a Nightblade sounds logical to you for a TEMPLAR? Less defensive utility from a Knight?

If that's fair then Stamina Nighblade deserves a nerf. Lets take away one of their skill trees for DARING to chose stamina. Lets take away Sorcs mobility because they chose stamina. Lets take away Dragon Knights defense cause they went stamina. Let's take away cloak from Stamina Nightblades.

Every class has iconic skills that should ALWAYS be identified with that class whether stamina or magic.

Dragon Knight = highest defense, can go full turtle. Both stamina and Magic get use of this.
Sorcerer = Best mobility in the game, best passive resource regain. Loses no mobility for going stamina.
Nightblade = highest burst in the game, can cloak like an assassin to always put a fight on your terms. Does not lose effectiveness for going stamina.
Templar = Healer class, turret style gameplay. However when we go to Stamina say goodbye to our classes identifying trait. We can't be a turret without our heals but none of our heals work with stamina, none of our passives for healing work with stamina. We are FORCED to hybidize to get ANY use out of our classes MAIN STRENGTH. WHY ONLY TEMPLAR? Why do I have to be a magic healer bot?

Changes are needed, stop standing in the way.

TheNephilimCrow · October 2015

A buff to Templar

Well, it seems the voting has slowed down. I think its safe to say that what really needs to happen is that DK needs to be buffed instead of nerfing any classes. The community has made that very clear. Is there anyway for you to run that up the flag pole for consideration, @ZOS_GinaBruno? Maybe for some minor buffs?

Gern_Verkheart · October 2015

A buff to Dragonknights

Stam DK's need a reliable and effective heal. Vigor doesn't count, not only because it's a HOT, but because you have to grind the awful Zergfest that is Cyrodiil for 10,000 hours before you can even use it.

revonine · November 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Dragonknights are in a great place imo. Strong stamina and magicka builds with a lot of variety.

This is a joke right ?

This thread isn't in the PvP forum so no it isn't. Magicka DK still pull amazing numbers. A straight up buff to DK will make DK the best class for tanking AND DPS in PvE.
We need another solution.

Lettigall · November 2015

A buff to Templar

Asmael wrote: »

Buff sorcs and NBs.
Nerf DKs and temps.

Sad, but this most likely gonna happen.

DannyLV702 · November 2015

A nerf to Sorcerer

Whoops. This is awkward.

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