Dragon Knight Talons not working?

ontheleftcoast · October 2015

I haven't played my magicka DK in several months. I finally decided to dust him off and run him thru PvP. However I've noticed something. Talons doesn't seem to work about half the time. I'm standing way closer than "6 meters", often I'm right next to my opponent, and I cast an AoE spell and nothing happens. Well, not nothing, I burn thru magicka but there are no talons rooting my opponent to the ground. I've tried casting it multiple times and sometimes 3 fail and the 4th suddenly works. What gives? Is this spell supposed to fail half the time? If so it's pretty useless as a CC skill.

Update: The failure happens against players and random mobs. I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe 50% of the beetles and wolves in the game are chugging CC defeating potions in combat. Something is broken on this skill quite badly and ZOS needs to do something about it. As it stands it's utterly worthless as a skill so it's off my bar for now.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2015

There are skills that grant immunity to snares and roots. Due to the dodge roll change, these skills are very popular right now.

Scyantific · October 2015

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I haven't played my magicka DK in several months. I finally decided to dust him off and run him thru PvP. However I've noticed something. Talons doesn't seem to work about half the time. I'm standing way closer than "6 meters", often I'm right next to my opponent, and I cast an AoE spell and nothing happens. Well, not nothing, I burn thru magicka but there are no talons rooting my opponent to the ground. I've tried casting it multiple times and sometimes 3 fail and the 4th suddenly works. What gives? Is this spell supposed to fail half the time? If so it's pretty useless as a CC skill.

Are they blocking? ZOS ninja-nerfed Talons (hoo boy) by making it blockable.

ontheleftcoast · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I haven't played my magicka DK in several months. I finally decided to dust him off and run him thru PvP. However I've noticed something. Talons doesn't seem to work about half the time. I'm standing way closer than "6 meters", often I'm right next to my opponent, and I cast an AoE spell and nothing happens. Well, not nothing, I burn thru magicka but there are no talons rooting my opponent to the ground. I've tried casting it multiple times and sometimes 3 fail and the 4th suddenly works. What gives? Is this spell supposed to fail half the time? If so it's pretty useless as a CC skill.

Are they blocking? ZOS ninja-nerfed Talons (hoo boy) by making it blockable.

No, they're just standing there. Sometimes they're casting spells, or attacking, but I've never seen them blocking (or dodge rolling) when it fails. Also, if fails against mobs in PvE play as well. It's clearly quite broken for me and I have no idea why.

ontheleftcoast · October 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are skills that grant immunity to snares and roots. Due to the dodge roll change, these skills are very popular right now.

Hmm, that could be from potions canceling the effect. Thanks. It doesn't explain mobs avoiding them but it could be the case for players.

Ja50nX · October 2015

Yeah this gets frustrating.

If it only traps say 1 zombie of 5 I can usually trap them all the 2nd time. Im a stam DK so I dont try 3 or 4 times.

At other times the talons are delayed by up to 5 seconds, usually kicking in just as they are almost dead anyway.

Im considering changing the morph to see if it makes a difference but figure its a side effect of the nerf as its been happening for a month or so now. Or not happening I should say

EDIT - I should have mentioned that this is occurring regularly in PVE for me. Unless 80-90% of npc's are using immovable potions now, talons are definitely broken.

EDIT 2 - I did a skill point reset & used talons un-morphed then with the Choking morph for a couple of hours each. The issue did still happen but less often. Noticeably less often - every 3 or 4 mobs instead of every mob.

Corrupted_Soul · October 2015

They're using CC immunity potions.

DannyLV702 · October 2015

Siege merchants now sell immobile potions so I'm assuming everyone is using them now. I like to craft my own with extra effects

NBrookus · October 2015

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I haven't played my magicka DK in several months. I finally decided to dust him off and run him thru PvP. However I've noticed something. Talons doesn't seem to work about half the time. I'm standing way closer than "6 meters", often I'm right next to my opponent, and I cast an AoE spell and nothing happens. Well, not nothing, I burn thru magicka but there are no talons rooting my opponent to the ground. I've tried casting it multiple times and sometimes 3 fail and the 4th suddenly works. What gives? Is this spell supposed to fail half the time? If so it's pretty useless as a CC skill.

I'm having about a 25% success rate with Choking Talons in PvE right now. I think it has issues right now, above and beyond the ways players can defend against it in PvP.

DaveMoeDee · October 2015

I have had an issue for many months where the first time I use Talons in a PvE battle they don't register. The second time and beyond they do.

Johngo0036 · October 2015

I dont use talons in Cyro anymore,
I use eruption..

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · October 2015

Corrupted_Soul wrote: »

They're using CC immunity potions.

CC immunity potions only prevent hard cc, such as stun, knockback, knockdown, fear. Talons are a root ability and as such soft cc. You can prevent this with Rapid Maneuver, the medium armor skill and I believe with the other morph of Rally as well (and by blocking, since 1.7). This being said, there is a bug with Talons since long ago that prevented it from applying its effects on the first cast.

apostate9 · November 2015

Agreed. @ZOS_GinaBruno would it be possible to have someone look at this? I concur, Talons does not seem to take effect on the first or even second cast in Cyrodiil about 75% of the time for me.