Where are the pvp devs?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Are we talking about the same Wrobel that loves Wall of Elements? Would be nice if we (as in, the PvP community) could get some update from him and his "gang" on their work and what they plan to do in the future.

_Chaos · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Can we assume he's seen this poll and done nothing (not even directing a community manager to touch base on his side of the story)

If that's the case, this whole situation is screaming "INCOMPETENCE"

Bashev · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Can anyone of them represent their team and have a discussion with us in the forums?

Sarousse · October 2015

Bashev wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Can anyone of them represent their team and have a discussion with us in the forums?

No they can't, they're stuck in combat in Cyrodiil (running gags are the bests. :P).

Xeven · October 2015

Bashev wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Can anyone of them represent their team and have a discussion with us in the forums?

The whole goddamned game is combat. Where the hell is the "Combat" community manager?

Efficient · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler I have to applaud you for posting, and at least trying. We have been through this however, the typical shift of responsibility, with those individuals mentioned completely absent from the forums and the community. Is it so hard for one of them or YOU to tell us the direction they are going with this? Maybe a reason why decisions are made, like AOE caps? Is the organization that fragmented where the PVP LEAD does not have interaction with the combat team and "gang"?

I think we are all tired of getting the run around.

Thanks,

prootch · October 2015

suppress aoe caps and you will instantly turn every wb in cyrodiil into "aoe spam I win" group... pretty easy to get.

Derra · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

The problem is: Wrobel seems to be a pure pve guy.

In a game where you want the pvp aspect to prosper you need the ability and combat design team to be in touch with the pvp crowd (they are currently not).
You and your team can develop and theorycraft all you want. In the end almost everything in pvp with importance or urgency is going to be ability, combat or gear related (imho it´s mindboggling that your and wrobels department are seperated at all).

If wrobels gang is too small or for whatever reason can´t or doesn´t want to get in touch with pvp much more than they currently are: Ask the people playing your product. Talk to your customers.
And shove their feedback into the faces of w and the gang.

Edit: What´s bothering me about this whole: It´s w and the gangs responsibility is: They´re responsible for a large margin of the pvp problems atm the moment.
Are you going to take the blame when nobody is playing cyro anymore?

Lava_Croft · October 2015

Come on folks, show a bit more trust in Wrobel.

Derra · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Come on folks, show a bit more trust in Wrobel.

All i will say is:
Wall of elements can´t melt steal beams (or anything for that matter).

Turelus · October 2015

Thanks again for the updates @ZOS_BrianWheeler

You've actually been one of the better developers for coming to the forums and discussing the issues or plans with the community. I do have to agree with others though that it really seems that your department an Eric's should be working much closer together, and representation of the combat team on the forums is drastically needed.

Looking forward to the campaign merges, it would be nice for EU to have an alternative to lagg/crashy Azura's star for 24/7 PvP.

Ara_Valleria · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Come on folks, show a bit more trust in Wrobel.

All i will say is:
Wall of elements can´t melt steal beams (or anything for that matter).

Ishammael · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Campaign merging is hot on our plate but we have to get some restriction(s) removed as well as allow players to unassign themselves before we compress population again on PC. This will result in players having AD/DC/EP all assignable to the same campaign, however getting population together is the more important aspect get the critical mass needed for Cyrodiil. Ditching the alliance restriction and allowing players to reassign/unassign themselves (with cooldown) in combination with getting several abilities reworked to make less physics calls will allow us to condense Campaigns.

That being said we are discussing merging more Campaigns sooner than later, but we'd like to get these changes in all together before doing so.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler ,

Thanks for these posts. The PvP community is starving for communication. We would really appreciate if and your time would talk to us more often. A "Road Ahead" article would be excellent. Some open questions: What is your vision for Cyrodiil and AvA over the next year? Any plans for new content? How do y'all view balance right now? Are you familiar with the current "meta" and the intrinsic problems which both create it and are caused by it?

RE: Your new DC character.
An open invitation stands for you to come roll with me and LoM anytime. I think you will appreciate how much fun we have playing the game you designed and why we care so much about it. IGN: @Ishammael000

Minno · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Come on folks, show a bit more trust in Wrobel.

Hard to place trust when there's no face or online presence to associate to.
The community would be easier to quell if there's at least some direct communication to the guys in charge of the combat and skills.

Like Brian Wheeler does with server stability, there are numerous threads shoeing what are the next steps in solving the lag and fps issues.

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

Wouldn't expect you to play a Magicka DK that's for sure

Hahaha so true it hurts.

Xexpo · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

He came in like a Wrrrecking Ball Blow!

TheBull · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

Any thoughts on hot join 1v1 or 2v2/3v3?

Nafirian · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsinium Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Because ladder gankers were death of pvp not the zergs or the latency them damn ladder gankers killing pvp as we know it ;__;

Talcyndl · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Which is why lag will never be fixed in Cyrodiil.

They (albeit understandably given the player numbers) focus on PvE 'balance'. They don't prioritize PvP.

Until spammable AE skills are addressed (limited) in PvP you will continue to force players into large "bomb" groups (what some will call zergs). Those groups spamming those skills will then lag the servers.

You can optimize and tweak forever and nothing will change.

Armitas · October 2015

If Mr Wrobel starts posting on the forums he should know that I and many others have a can full of vitriol ready to cast on anyone that is rude, abusive, or unwelcoming to him. (Within the rules of the forums and all that)

Dyride · October 2015

B Wheels is farming those Awesomes!

Armitas · October 2015

Since we have an audience it would be great if knew what sorts of combat changes are planned for future updates before the pts goes out. By the time we reach pts any design problems are to late to adjust or change. If we could just put those in the developer discussion section before the pts that would help a lot. Whatever comes through pts, cough DK, we get stuck with for half a year, so we need to make better sure that what gets through is right for the game and the classes. I know we are all terrible to deal with but its another line of defense.

Lettigall · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

It's not sorc, you have one already and for sure it's not templar. So ether NB or DK. Since you are PvP guy and NBs are common in Cyro like fleas in khajiit fur, your new class is NB! Plus 2h+bow works well on stamblade.

Cody · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsinium Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Praise sithis!

More communication= better experience. It does not even need to be a long post; just a simple, straight to the point "we are doing X thing" is all we all really want:) I just want to know that there are steps being taken to fix the issues with PvP. PvP has been ignored for PvE for the last year and a half and its time that changed.

Ezareth · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsinium Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Thanks @ZOS_BrianWheeler for sticking your neck out here and just opening some dialogue, even if you're not telling us everything we want to hear, you're telling us we're still heard and that we're in your considerations. You can never have too much of that IMO. Most of us here are starting to feel like the red-headed step children of ESO, ignored and unwanted...and that makes us angry trolls ( =

Darnathian · October 2015

Nope. Not buying it this time. Thank you Brian for trying to look out for your co-workers. Seriously i applaud your efforts.

But this is the same thing that happens. We get no responses. We all get angry and frustrated. Then you come in on your time to throw us a bone.

So in all seriousness then why cant Wrobel? Or a member from his team? Why cant they go on the podcast?

I will make you a bet right now. You put Wrobel on that podcast and you can charge admission. I would predict at least 10 thousand viewers for that. Current players and former.

But we all know that wont happen.

What i dont get, is there are some great players taking time out of their playtime, to have a great discussion but he cant take the time to communicate with his target audience, essentially his CUSTOMERS??????????

They would help him fix this game for FREE.

ShadoPanauin · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsinium Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Great to see someone cares!

vortexman11 · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

If he truly looks at polls then I'm pretty sure its fair to assume he doesn't agree with 87% of the voters views on AoE caps. Especially when that poll was made OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

Also, when you said changes to certain skills physics, I imagine you're talking about skills that cause AoE Knockdowns (Meteor and TakeFlight). If so, then RIP DK one last time.

Rylana · October 2015

This thread depresses me.

Hold me Vort.

Manoekin · October 2015

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Are we talking about the same Wrobel that loves Wall of Elements? Would be nice if we (as in, the PvP community) could get some update from him and his "gang" on their work and what they plan to do in the future.

see:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

This is to help address lag issues. As far as abilities, that's pretty much off the table for being talked about I think. I only see it under certain circumstances.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Can we assume he's seen this poll and done nothing (not even directing a community manager to touch base on his side of the story)

If that's the case, this whole situation is screaming "INCOMPETENCE"

AOE caps have been expanded since it being 6 targets only. That tells me he's listening. Whether they should have been in in the first place we all pretty much agree on these forums I think. Have to remember not everything may be up to him, though.

As someone else has said, combat is a massive part of the game. I bet he has a lot of work to do. I think he also is or used to be the itemization lead. His plate is pretty damn full. He doesn't post on the forums because they don't want him spending half his day answering our hundreds of questions. What should happen though, is a type of blog/update post like Brian has (please update that more often Brian

).