Number of quests

BEL_MARDUK · October 2015

I figure this has been asked before but a brief search did not show.
Anyone know why we are limited to max 25 quests ????? I have one spare slot (i.e. 24/25) where I do crafting writs one at a time and have to go to diff regions (therefore deal with lengthy loading screens), for example x 3 for clothing, blacksmithing & woodworking... I cannot fathom why they limit like this.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Perhaps you should go finish those 24 quests then, or at least most of them. Every MMORPG has an Active Quest limit you know...

newtinmpls · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Perhaps you should go finish those 24 quests then, or at least most of them. Every MMORPG has an Active Quest limit you know...

I know that I try to keep my total down. If I haven't been in an area in a long time, and especially if they are side quests and are greyed out, I abandon them.

BEL_MARDUK · October 2015

Your advice... just go do them (24) is not helpful. Obviously there are reasons for always completing, some need groups, some are 75% finished etc etc.

Regarding other MMORPGs I wouldn't know, but in anycase how is this relevant if not explaining why?

Could someone please ANSWER my question. I assume there are server capacity limits etc, but my 2nd point I would like to make (now) is that 25 is too low a max for ESO.

Anyone else agree?
Thanks to those with for constructive comments.

BEL_MARDUK · October 2015

sorry for typo's, its late ...

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

If you cannot complete 24 quests on your list without help there are quite a few ways you can:

1. Level up some if your level is an issue.
2. Don't accept only Red Quests.
3. There are not enough Group Instances and the like in this game to fill your quest list with nothing but quests from those places.
4. A bug is keeping you from finishing it, in which case you should report it.

Seriously 25 slots is plenty enough. The only way you cannot complete any of the quests on your list is either #1 or #4 on my above list or you simply don't want to. In the case of the latter, might I suggest abandoning the quests you don't want to finish?

I do have a friend though that had a full quest list on his main. Reason is he kept swooping every quest we came upon as we were exploring and never went back to do them lol

newtinmpls · October 2015

I didn't address the reason for the limit because 1-I don't know it and 2-it doesn't affect my gameplay.

For me, when I don't know why a quest is still there, I abandon it. Since I do go back and wander around old areas, chances are I'll pick up up again some time later.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I didn't address the reason for the limit because 1-I don't know it and 2-it doesn't affect my gameplay.

For me, when I don't know why a quest is still there, I abandon it. Since I do go back and wander around old areas, chances are I'll pick up up again some time later.

You can see your list of active quests in the Journal menu and it actually tells you (how many active quests you have)/25.

newtinmpls · October 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I didn't address the reason for the limit because 1-I don't know it and 2-it doesn't affect my gameplay.

For me, when I don't know why a quest is still there, I abandon it. Since I do go back and wander around old areas, chances are I'll pick up up again some time later.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You can see your list of active quests in the Journal menu and it actually tells you (how many active quests you have)/25.

Yup, I know that.

When I look at the list, and see that I have a quest I don't recognize/remember, I drop it.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I didn't address the reason for the limit because 1-I don't know it and 2-it doesn't affect my gameplay.

For me, when I don't know why a quest is still there, I abandon it. Since I do go back and wander around old areas, chances are I'll pick up up again some time later.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You can see your list of active quests in the Journal menu and it actually tells you (how many active quests you have)/25.

Yup, I know that.

When I look at the list, and see that I have a quest I don't recognize/remember, I drop it.

Yeah personally I don't start a quest I don't intend to complete.

UrQuan · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

3. There are not enough Group Instances and the like in this game to fill your quest list with nothing but quests from those places.

Well that's simply not true. Just looking at group dungeons there are 18 normal mode dungeons, and 10 vet mode dungeons, plus you can have 2 undaunted pledges active. Then of course there are the Craglorn quests, Cyrodiil quests to capture keeps and resources, the quests for trials, etc. Without actually counting up the Craglorn quests, my guess is you could fill your quest log twice over with group quests.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

3. There are not enough Group Instances and the like in this game to fill your quest list with nothing but quests from those places.

Well that's simply not true. Just looking at group dungeons there are 18 normal mode dungeons, and 10 vet mode dungeons, plus you can have 2 undaunted pledges active. Then of course there are the Craglorn quests, Cyrodiil quests to capture keeps and resources, the quests for trials, etc. Without actually counting up the Craglorn quests, my guess is you could fill your quest log twice over with group quests.

Well obviously not counting the quests from the other difficulties lol I mean if you're grabbing quests from Veteran Difficulty why haven't you completed the Normal Difficulty ones yet? Would honestly be kind of pointless to clutter your quest list in that way.

Also I did not take into account Craglorn is pretty much group content entirely but if you don't consider it so then yeah lol

newtinmpls · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yeah personally I don't start a quest I don't intend to complete.

I have to chuckle at this idea. Of COURSE I don't start something not intending to complete it. But playing two accounts and then a couple of EU characters on top of that, unless it's a pretty short quest, I'm not going to finish it in one setting, and generally you get a sprinkling of related quests (if like me, you wander around a lot).

So no, I don't remember them all. I don't complete them all (the first time 'round).

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yeah personally I don't start a quest I don't intend to complete.

I have to chuckle at this idea. Of COURSE I don't start something not intending to complete it. But playing two accounts and then a couple of EU characters on top of that, unless it's a pretty short quest, I'm not going to finish it in one setting, and generally you get a sprinkling of related quests (if like me, you wander around a lot).

So no, I don't remember them all. I don't complete them all (the first time 'round).

In actuality I don't even care about questing on my alts lol just let my main do them all and it's all good! I do, however, do the ones that matter to my alts.

UrQuan · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

3. There are not enough Group Instances and the like in this game to fill your quest list with nothing but quests from those places.

Well that's simply not true. Just looking at group dungeons there are 18 normal mode dungeons, and 10 vet mode dungeons, plus you can have 2 undaunted pledges active. Then of course there are the Craglorn quests, Cyrodiil quests to capture keeps and resources, the quests for trials, etc. Without actually counting up the Craglorn quests, my guess is you could fill your quest log twice over with group quests.

Well obviously not counting the quests from the other difficulties lol I mean if you're grabbing quests from Veteran Difficulty why haven't you completed the Normal Difficulty ones yet? Would honestly be kind of pointless to clutter your quest list in that way.

Also I did not take into account Craglorn is pretty much group content entirely but if you don't consider it so then yeah lol

Tons of people get to vet levels without having done most of the normal difficulty dungeons. Sometimes it's because they grind to level and then do the dungeons later, sometimes it's because they have trouble finding groups at lower levels, sometimes it's because it's an alt that they've leveled up and are now starting to do pledges with. In my guild when we do dungeon events, it's very common for us to pick up pledges and have at least 1 person in a group made up of VR15-16s find that they haven't done the quest yet for the normal mode dungeon.

Of course, running around and grabbing the quests for all of those dungeons if you're not planning on immediately running them would be unusual.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

3. There are not enough Group Instances and the like in this game to fill your quest list with nothing but quests from those places.

Well that's simply not true. Just looking at group dungeons there are 18 normal mode dungeons, and 10 vet mode dungeons, plus you can have 2 undaunted pledges active. Then of course there are the Craglorn quests, Cyrodiil quests to capture keeps and resources, the quests for trials, etc. Without actually counting up the Craglorn quests, my guess is you could fill your quest log twice over with group quests.

Well obviously not counting the quests from the other difficulties lol I mean if you're grabbing quests from Veteran Difficulty why haven't you completed the Normal Difficulty ones yet? Would honestly be kind of pointless to clutter your quest list in that way.

Also I did not take into account Craglorn is pretty much group content entirely but if you don't consider it so then yeah lol

Tons of people get to vet levels without having done most of the normal difficulty dungeons. Sometimes it's because they grind to level and then do the dungeons later, sometimes it's because they have trouble finding groups at lower levels, sometimes it's because it's an alt that they've leveled up and are now starting to do pledges with. In my guild when we do dungeon events, it's very common for us to pick up pledges and have at least 1 person in a group made up of VR15-16s find that they haven't done the quest yet for the normal mode dungeon.

Of course, running around and grabbing the quests for all of those dungeons if you're not planning on immediately running them would be unusual.

In my main's case: lack of people to do it with before he hit Vet Ranks. City of Ash was... not pleasant. Normal Difficulty in Heavy Armor with Physical Resistance of at least 16k and I took an 18k hit from 1 of the named enemies in there. Beyond that we just had trouble coordinating because the friends I went in with prefer to do their own thing and it didn't exactly scream teamwork lol

Despite all that though I don't actually go in unless I'm ready to do the dungeon so I never accumulate quests from within I will never finish.

Enodoc · October 2015

I think it's a combination of database space and quest management. It's possible that 25 is a maximum based on the server space allocated to characters for tracking quests, but also if you have more than 25 quests active at once the journal would probably begin to look quite cluttered. Might I ask what quests you have active at the moment?

Ommamar · October 2015

I noticed this limit when I started messing around in Craglorn. Someone shared them all with me and suddenly I have no room in the journal for cyrodill or pledges so I drop some. Then I go back and get the quests shared in a group, many of those are multiple steps that you don't want to delete once you have started on them.
I am sure there is a database limit but I think 25 is both arbitrary and to low of an estimate.

CapnPhoton · October 2015

No one really knows unless there is some sort of official response. No one can answer this unless they are quoting something written elsewhere from ZOS. It has never concerned me as I have never had more than 10 at a time, because I actively finish them.

I have played other MMO games with higher limits, but those were full of gather this, kill 10 of these, etc and not overly complicated. I think quests with multiple steps and tasks do not have to be cluttered up with too many.

Ourorboros · October 2015

OP, I think for most players, the quest limit is a non-starter. I happen to agree with you, and posed the same question myself. The responses look pretty much the same. They ask, 'Why would you want more than 25 quests', or, snidely, 'Why don't you finish the quests you have?'

Here's why I don't like the quest cap: I was doing all crafts on one character and badly needed more skill points. I pushed through every zone as I gained access to them to hunt down skyshards, even though I was way under-leveled in many zones. Naturally, I ran into many quest givers. I would have liked to accept the quests and do them later, when I was in the zone questing, not just hunting skyshards. This is especially true for the quest givers you run into in the wilderness. Instead, because of the quest cap, I had a hard time finding some of the remote quest givers. I ending up using an add-on to find many of them.

I've never seen an official response to the issue, but the database size seems to be the most logical reason for the cap. That doesn't mean it's true, mind you, just what is accepted wisdom. Bottom-line, it is what it is, and we just have to work with it.

Asherons_Call · October 2015

I personally haven't had this issue as I'm a bit of a completionist.. If I have an unfinished quest hanging out there I start to twitch until it's completed.

One thing you could do is abandon a few to make room. It's not a huge deal to abandon as you can always go back and start them over. Clean out all of the grey quests first as you get little to no XP for those

UrQuan · October 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Here's why I don't like the quest cap: I was doing all crafts on one character and badly needed more skill points. I pushed through every zone as I gained access to them to hunt down skyshards, even though I was way under-leveled in many zones. Naturally, I ran into many quest givers. I would have liked to accept the quests and do them later, when I was in the zone questing, not just hunting skyshards. This is especially true for the quest givers you run into in the wilderness. Instead, because of the quest cap, I had a hard time finding some of the remote quest givers. I ending up using an add-on to find many of them.

I've done basically this on some alts. I have so many different characters that it's not easy for me to remember what I have and haven't done on any given character, so my standard method of questing is to look at the quests I have active and look at the map to see what areas I have already explored with that character, and go questing based on that. On the times I've taken an alt skyshard hunting, I've tended to grab the quests from the quest givers I come across along the way, because otherwise I might forget that I haven't grabbed them, and not go back that way later, because I might think that I already did any quests in that part of the map.

I've never ended up actually hitting the 25 quest limit, though. I've come relatively close on a couple of characters a couple of times (I think I've ended up as high as about 22 quests), but I've never actually hit the limit.

BEL_MARDUK · October 2015

Thanks all for your constructive advice. I have 4 craglorn quests where I am halfway through and didn't want to lose progress. But after reading above I think I will just delete old ones and hope to come across later. As an aside, when doing the silver quest after completing the main, I (stupidly) chose to undertake all the side quests as well...I am also a completionist although clearly not 100% but you know what I mean. So I love do all quests, and struggle to ignore a quest marker. But I guess I can review the achievement area later and try to pin down what stuff I have yet to explore/complete etc.

Thanks again!

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

I can ignore quest markers myself despite being a completionist but only because I wish to save those for later.

UrQuan · October 2015

BEL_MARDUK wrote: »

As an aside, when doing the silver quest after completing the main, I (stupidly) chose to undertake all the side quests as well...I am also a completionist although clearly not 100% but you know what I mean.

Stupidly? Nah, I do all of them on every character. Nothing wrong with being a completionist.