Where are the pvp devs?

Darlgon · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Why @ZOS_BrianWheeler did you not convince them to keep IC gated? why does IC seem more for pve then for pvp I.E. no obgectives, not being gated, the horrible spawning in the districts, and it basically being a pve land with risk of being ganked while grinding stones? Is that really what the PVP team had envisioned for IC?

At a guess, the corporate lawyers looked at the of posts of people in the Beta, who were threatening to sue ZoS because of the gated access and said... "If we get involved in a lawsuit over this in every country, it will bankrupt not just the company, but the entire organization. Just give in to them and say you are bowing to the demands of the consumer."

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Why @ZOS_BrianWheeler did you not convince them to keep IC gated? why does IC seem more for pve then for pvp I.E. no obgectives, not being gated, the horrible spawning in the districts, and it basically being a pve land with risk of being ganked while grinding stones? Is that really what the PVP team had envisioned for IC?

At a guess, the corporate lawyers looked at the of posts of people in the Beta, who were threatening to sue ZoS because of the gated access and said... "If we get involved in a lawsuit over this in every country, it will bankrupt not just the company, but the entire organization. Just give in to them and say you are bowing to the demands of the consumer."

It was the pver's wasn't it? How the *** could you sue for that? Just dont buy it.

Elsonso · October 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Why @ZOS_BrianWheeler did you not convince them to keep IC gated? why does IC seem more for pve then for pvp I.E. no obgectives, not being gated, the horrible spawning in the districts, and it basically being a pve land with risk of being ganked while grinding stones? Is that really what the PVP team had envisioned for IC?

At a guess, the corporate lawyers looked at the of posts of people in the Beta, who were threatening to sue ZoS because of the gated access and said... "If we get involved in a lawsuit over this in every country, it will bankrupt not just the company, but the entire organization. Just give in to them and say you are bowing to the demands of the consumer."

I would be surprised if any lawyers were involved.

Joy_Division · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Who are they? Where are they? Are they the ones that got laid off? What are they working on? All we ever here about is pve... No but for real who are the pvp/alliance war devs?

http://www.twitch.tv/zos_brian_wheeler/profile

Twitch stream from the AvA lead dev.

Looks like last time on was September 19th. Seems like that was soon after PC IC launch, if I remember right. He was broadcasting music.

I kinda wish he would play and NOT have chat going, so he would not get flamed by the community and actually play the game.

Seems like he doesn't play anymore and only does music now. His twitch is http://www.twitch.tv/zimmrin/profile

Seems like he moved on from eso and is enjoying his music hobby streaming every night.(Not saying there's anything wrong with that.)

I don't blame him to be honest.

Ezareth · October 2015

Wheeler is a good guy. I like him. He isn't the "PvP" dev though, only the Cyrodiil + IC dev which is a big difference. Everything we care about....class balance, combat mechanics, bugs etc lie in another department on the shoulders of a different person. This person has no forum account for good reason.

Galalin · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Wheeler is a good guy. I like him. He isn't the "PvP" dev though, only the Cyrodiil + IC dev which is a big difference. Everything we care about....class balance, combat mechanics, bugs etc lie in another department on the shoulders of a different person. This person has no forum account for good reason.

Is it because it would risk the PvP community finding out how incompetent he is? Or possibly he is not computer savvy enough to use a forum account?

DK SCRUB OUT

Elsonso · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Wheeler is a good guy. I like him. He isn't the "PvP" dev though, only the Cyrodiil + IC dev which is a big difference. Everything we care about....class balance, combat mechanics, bugs etc lie in another department on the shoulders of a different person. This person has no forum account for good reason.

On ESO Live, he (Wrobel) claimed that he reads the forum and has considered posting. He is the Combat guy, not the PVP guy, and his role includes both PVE and PVP combat. In this sense, the lead PVP job is split between a couple of devs, one that rules over the combat and the other that rules over the environment.

At one point, it sounded like Wheeler is the one who provides direction to Wrobel regarding the direction that PVP combat should take, and Wrobel is the one that figures out how to do it. It may be more symbiotic and balanced than that.

I do think that Wrobel should start posting directly. I am sure that the Community Managers have taken specific responses from him and posted them on the forums for us to read. We never know what Devs provide the input to the CMs. However, I expect that Wrobel is quite the busy guy, and while he reads what is put in the forums, he lacks the time to sit down and bang out a response.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

There's a good chance that Wrobel just doesn't want to expose himself to all the poison that will inevitably be directed at him once he shows up on these forums.

I certainly don't blame him for doing so. There's little he can say that will change people's opinion about him anyway.

G0ku · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Why @ZOS_BrianWheeler did you not convince them to keep IC gated?

imo because they raised VR. you can´t exclude people from grinding mats if you raise the max level. some time has passed and I really really hope they will gate IC as soon as Orsinium hits. they could keep one campaign ungated.

Wollust · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There's a good chance that Wrobel just doesn't want to expose himself to all the poison that will inevitably be directed at him once he shows up on these forums.

I certainly don't blame him for doing so. There's little he can say that will change people's opinion about him anyway.

Well there is a reason why this forum is so toxic. Especially the PvP sections. Being intransparent and unapproachable doesn't help for sure.

Ezareth · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There's a good chance that Wrobel just doesn't want to expose himself to all the poison that will inevitably be directed at him once he shows up on these forums.

I certainly don't blame him for doing so. There's little he can say that will change people's opinion about him anyway.

I don't know, I've listened to him and he doesn't seem all that bad, just disconnected. I've been in TS with him before as well and my biggest takeaway was that he was often unaware of many things in the game that we take for the obvious. His appearance in these forums would likely be greeted with far more optimism than vitriol. I think his like many of the ZoS team's greatest lack is in meaningful communication with their players. I like Gina and Jessica and all but they are not devs and I don't even know if they even play the game.

Darlgon · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There's a good chance that Wrobel just doesn't want to expose himself to all the poison that will inevitably be directed at him once he shows up on these forums.

I certainly don't blame him for doing so. There's little he can say that will change people's opinion about him anyway.

I don't know, I've listened to him and he doesn't seem all that bad, just disconnected. I've been in TS with him before as well and my biggest takeaway was that he was often unaware of many things in the game that we take for the obvious. His appearance in these forums would likely be greeted with far more optimism than vitriol. I think his like many of the ZoS team's greatest lack is in meaningful communication with their players. I like Gina and Jessica and all but they are not devs and I don't even know if they even play the game.

I dont know man. Its about a week til Orcsinium launch. Depending on how most of the PC playerbase feels about that DLC, ANY ZoS employee to step in the forums will be greeted with vitriol. It will be interesting to see how the playerbase feels about their level 5 characters being stronger than their VR16s.

Sarousse · October 2015

PvP devs ? They've been stuck in combat in Cyrodiil for days, that's why they can't fix their game.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · October 2015

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsinium Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Jitterbug · October 2015

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

CN_Daniel · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

Pics or lies regarding new toon :-)

AbraXuSeXile · October 2015

You know the loch ness monster? Sasquach? The abonible snowman? You can add pvp devs to these mythical creatures.

manny254 · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

The real question is what class are you leveling.

Derra · October 2015

In all honesty.

This is disheartening.

Apart from the ability logic / physics things it´s the same wishy washy response anything pvp related gets.
Do you have a vision of the state of cyrodiil in lets say: 3, 6 and 9 months?

The sad part is a lot of the current uproar is not really pvp related and you can´t really do anything about it because it falls under wrobels domain but still... (do you for example have anything to do with the numbers on battlespirit?)
Something like closing empty campaigns has to happen faster than it´s currently the case.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · October 2015

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

_Chaos · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

Wouldn't expect you to play a Magicka DK that's for sure

Jitterbug · October 2015

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

You know the loch ness monster? Sasquach? The abonible snowman? You can add pvp devs to these mythical creatures.

Rings a little hollow posted directly below a post from the lead pvp dude...

TBois · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

It's nice to here what y'all have in the works. Thank you!

ZOS_BrianWheeler · October 2015

Campaign merging is hot on our plate but we have to get some restriction(s) removed as well as allow players to unassign themselves before we compress population again on PC. This will result in players having AD/DC/EP all assignable to the same campaign, however getting population together is the more important aspect get the critical mass needed for Cyrodiil. Ditching the alliance restriction and allowing players to reassign/unassign themselves (with cooldown) in combination with getting several abilities reworked to make less physics calls will allow us to condense Campaigns.

That being said we are discussing merging more Campaigns sooner than later, but we'd like to get these changes in all together before doing so.

Xeven · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it

One of the four with a two-hander and bow...for now.

Translation: Redguard Nightblade.

Sublime · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Campaign merging is hot on our plate but we have to get some restriction(s) removed as well as allow players to unassign themselves before we compress population again on PC. This will result in players having AD/DC/EP all assignable to the same campaign, however getting population together is the more important aspect get the critical mass needed for Cyrodiil. Ditching the alliance restriction and allowing players to reassign themselves (with cooldown) in combination with getting several abilities reworked to make less physics calls will allow us to condense Campaigns.

Unassigning sounds nice.

CtrlAltDlt · October 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

I would like to say thank you so much Brian. This is the communication we want from you guys. Also, for future reference it will be a good idea to look at some of the polls in the forum before you implement drastic changes like AOE caps. It was mentioned in the We Are Eso podcast last saturday.

Looking forward to these pvp changes

Jitterbug · October 2015

juan0316 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There are a few things in the patch/update after Orisneum to address some quality of life issues for Campaigns/Cyrodiil as well as including some changes to ability logic and how abilities interact with physics processes.

For Orsineum Imperial City got a few fixes for "ladder gankers" as well as making the daily quests concurrent. Your requests for a capturable district as well as gated access to IC across the board has not fallen on def ears, however there are no plans to change that at this time. Several things currently getting worked on for Campaign population/number of Campaigns offered needs to get finished before changing IC rules across the board. Other discussions are still on going regarding Town Capture in Cyrodiil, more objectives/flags for Cyrodiil, and improvements to what you can spend your AP on.

Dev Tracker, for a while, didn't function with posts Rich or I made on the forums unless we tagged Gina/Jess/Jason/Kai to flag them each individually and they're already hammered with their jobs so we didn't bother them constantly. This was recently fixed and we Devs can now Dev Track our posts again. No conspiracy or anything, just gremlins.

Regarding my personal play time, I am leveling up another character in DC, just not streaming it.

I would like to say thank you so much Brian. This is the communication we want from you guys. Also, for future reference it will be a good idea to look at some of the polls in the forum before you implement drastic changes like AOE caps. It was mentioned in the We Are Eso podcast last saturday.

Looking forward to these pvp changes

I might be wrong but I don't think AoE caps fall under Wheeler (PvP). It feels really Wroebel (Combat) to me.
I think the PvP team (all 3-4 of them) just get handed these half broken skills and metas and is then expected to make it work.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · October 2015

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

Yay, all the restrictions on campaign trolling removed. Certain guilds will be so happy!