looks like more people have left the game since IC

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

People allegedly rage quit ESO for every reason you can think of.

The most recent I heard was "Camo Hunter is making the game unplayable for me, I'm being punished for being a Vampire, I'm done with this game."

Tandor · October 2015

First rule of any MMO forum - of those who say they are quitting, only 10% actually do so and most of them come back later.

And no, I don't have the data to back that up

!

sadownik · October 2015

Well i never said that i quit, its hard to quit the game if i dont sub right? There might be a moment in the future when i start playing again, but i havent logged in for almost a month now even to check mail and feed mount. Since im focused on gw2 now and it looks like it might be a good bit of content for me, then fallout comes... Lets just say i think it will be at least few months long break.

Jbugz97 · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

since IC came out it lseem like alot of the active player that were here on forum have left the game. and on xbox since IC i have not been to one dueling meet up yet alot off people i use to see online are not on anymore. idk i hope zos does something for pvp so people come back or stay.

hey i may be wrong.

You do understand that ICs launch coincided with school starting back up right? People are probably hitting the books right now.

well you could be right about that,,, but i don't think that's the issue

Jbugz97 · October 2015

icontested wrote: »

After playing and reading I think its clear we all love eso. It also seems that eso is in a position where it could easily bring people back which is a statement other games cannot make. I think if you are eso its a good position. If you are a player its a good position. Good needs to become great now.

I still have faith. I can also say ill be playing until the end. I will even treat halo 5 as my game on the side to eso. That's saying a lot

i think your right about that ....i really hope what zos does is the next major updated patch ,, they would just straight up say theirs no new content on this update we just spending all our resources to balance and fix all problems.. just that alone would bring back a lot of ex eso player.

Hammy01 · October 2015

Orrrr when it comes to ESO on the consoles... maybe people are leaving due the lack of a large scale communication tool (ie.. text chat), thus the game feels more like a solo game with a few random voices in area chat saying "psst, hey you.. would you like to buy some argonian mushrooms.. I have a whole stack for real cheap"!!

The Dude Bro · October 2015

Blackt00thGrim wrote: »

There are a lot of people who ARE hyped for the new DLC. New content always brings people back, even if it's just for curiosity. This is especially true on console. I know the que for IC was 400 deep on launch. That kind of suggests that a lot of players wanted to check out new content. Orsinium will be far more popular than IC, because it caters to the largest portion of the player base. And bear mounts.

It's possible that the PC player base doesn't return at the same rate as console. But having seen the mass exodus from destiny, only to be followed by resurgence when DLC drops, I'm willing to bet we see a spike in activity when Eso's DLC drops.

Wish there was a way to see data backing this claim of PvE players outnumbering PvP players. It is an ES game at the end of the day but it was built with a pretty damn good combat system. A lot of my friends who were in it for the PvP have logged on less and less. Some haven't returned at all.

It is kind of hard to go back to another game like WoW after being exposed to a game that has no cooldowns among other things.

icontested wrote: »

After playing and reading I think its clear we all love eso. It also seems that eso is in a position where it could easily bring people back which is a statement other games cannot make. I think if you are eso its a good position. If you are a player its a good position. Good needs to become great now.

I still have faith. I can also say ill be playing until the end. I will even treat halo 5 as my game on the side to eso. That's saying a lot

ESO was in a position to bring back players for a long time but new games come out. Not everyone is resilient like you. After playing with a number of builds on 3 characters, the lack of polish this game currently has is showing. There were a lot of things I had to figure out on my own which was pretty annoying.

With Battlefront coming out, it is a reminder of the DLC pay model. Im not crazy about buying a bunch of DLCs for a game I just won't have time for in ESO. In addition to Battlefront releasing, Blade and Soul is gathering quite a bit of traction and looks promising. Overwatch will be amazing as well.

Coming off of watching the latest episode of ESO live, the game's future just seems so much more uncertain. They still aren't addressing PvP content for small scale as a short term concern (immediate) nor consistently addressing the removal of Veteran Ranks and scaling up of Trials/old content. The game will likely end up similar to ArcheAge if it hasn't already. Lots of potential but too slow to act on it.

RIP

Callous2208 · October 2015

The Dude Bro wrote: »

Blackt00thGrim wrote: »

There are a lot of people who ARE hyped for the new DLC. New content always brings people back, even if it's just for curiosity. This is especially true on console. I know the que for IC was 400 deep on launch. That kind of suggests that a lot of players wanted to check out new content. Orsinium will be far more popular than IC, because it caters to the largest portion of the player base. And bear mounts.

It's possible that the PC player base doesn't return at the same rate as console. But having seen the mass exodus from destiny, only to be followed by resurgence when DLC drops, I'm willing to bet we see a spike in activity when Eso's DLC drops.

Wish there was a way to see data backing this claim of PvE players outnumbering PvP players. It is an ES game at the end of the day but it was built with a pretty damn good combat system. A lot of my friends who were in it for the PvP have logged on less and less. Some haven't returned at all.

It is kind of hard to go back to another game like WoW after being exposed to a game that has no cooldowns among other things.

icontested wrote: »

After playing and reading I think its clear we all love eso. It also seems that eso is in a position where it could easily bring people back which is a statement other games cannot make. I think if you are eso its a good position. If you are a player its a good position. Good needs to become great now.

I still have faith. I can also say ill be playing until the end. I will even treat halo 5 as my game on the side to eso. That's saying a lot

ESO was in a position to bring back players for a long time but new games come out. Not everyone is resilient like you. After playing with a number of builds on 3 characters, the lack of polish this game currently has is showing. There were a lot of things I had to figure out on my own which was pretty annoying.

With Battlefront coming out, it is a reminder of the DLC pay model. Im not crazy about buying a bunch of DLCs for a game I just won't have time for in ESO. In addition to Battlefront releasing, Blade and Soul is gathering quite a bit of traction and looks promising. Overwatch will be amazing as well.

Coming off of watching the latest episode of ESO live, the game's future just seems so much more uncertain. They still aren't addressing PvP content for small scale as a short term concern (immediate) nor consistently addressing the removal of Veteran Ranks and scaling up of Trials/old content. The game will likely end up similar to ArcheAge if it hasn't already. Lots of potential but too slow to act on it.

RIP

We'll still be here in a few months or years when you get back. No need for a RIP.

Jbugz97 · October 2015

Hammy01 wrote: »

Orrrr when it comes to ESO on the consoles... maybe people are leaving due the lack of a large scale communication tool (ie.. text chat), thus the game feels more like a solo game with a few random voices in area chat saying "psst, hey you.. would you like to buy some argonian mushrooms.. I have a whole stack for real cheap"!!

i see a lot off people have been asking for it these i don't see why zos wouldn't just add it with an option to turn off

Funkopotamus · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

Callous2208 · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

You can't honestly tell me this is a predominately pvp centered player base, no matter what end game looks like. I enjoy pvp myself at times, but if pvpers outnumbered the pve crowd by any significant number, I think ESO would have shut the servers down a long time ago.

PBpsy · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

Jbugz97 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Jbugz97 wrote: »

since IC came out it lseem like alot of the active player that were here on forum have left the game. and on xbox since IC i have not been to one dueling meet up yet alot off people i use to see online are not on anymore. idk i hope zos does something for pvp so people come back or stay.

hey i may be wrong.

You do understand that ICs launch coincided with school starting back up right? People are probably hitting the books right now.

well you could be right about that,,, but i don't think that's the issue

Except there isnt an MMO out there that doesnt see a drop off around the End of August/Beginning of September. Regardless of what content is released in that window. They will see a slight spike in the week before and the few weeks after before it drops back off again.

You have no proof that IC has chased off anyone. Its just speculation. And one that is consistently done in every MMO forum when someone wants to yell DOOM! And they always seem to pop up the most often around this time of year when the average player no longer has a lot of time on their hand for varying reasons. People often take vacation time in the Summer, theres quite a few holidays over the summer and because often enough kids (what a surprise Teenagers and College Age kids would spend their off time playing video games!) have the summer off. So theres always a peak of players during new content, holidays and summer. And a stark drop off after new contents NEW flavor wears off, holidays pass and the summer ends with school starting up again.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

I think people are leaving cause ZOS isn't fixing the broken stuff or balancing stuff properly than because of a DLC.

sadownik · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

You can't honestly tell me this is a predominately pvp centered player base, no matter what end game looks like. I enjoy pvp myself at times, but if pvpers outnumbered the pve crowd by any significant number, I think ESO would have shut the servers down a long time ago.

You take it as white and balck issue, PvE players and PvP players as separate different groups. I think many of gamers are like me - prefer one but dont ignore other completely. I would prefer to PvP but i was doing PvE content as well. The decision to save time and not log in was caused in ma case by disappointment in both elements.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

How so?

Everything in the main story is about "WAR" between factions.. The game itself is trying to get you to learn the reason behind the faction wars. You are thrown into each story in silver/gold just to learn more about what?..... PVP! Faction War..

So exactly how is my statement "Even more crazy"?

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

You can't honestly tell me this is a predominately pvp centered player base, no matter what end game looks like. I enjoy pvp myself at times, but if pvpers outnumbered the pve crowd by any significant number, I think ESO would have shut the servers down a long time ago.

You take it as white and balck issue, PvE players and PvP players as separate different groups. I think many of gamers are like me - prefer one but dont ignore other completely. I would prefer to PvP but i was doing PvE content as well. The decision to save time and not log in was caused in ma case by disappointment in both elements.

And youre ignoring the long list of Campaigns that are constantly empty or damn near close to it. On PS4 the only Campaign to constantly be packed regardless of what time of day you jump in is Azura. We have maybe three or four others that have varying pops that only seem to come to life in the evenings but are never full across the board. And then there are others where the activity is so low it doesnt even register.

I havent been on PC since June. But Im willing to make a wager that the Campaigns look similar as they looked just like the PS4s before I left.

Callous2208 · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

How so?

Everything in the main story is about "WAR" between factions.. The game itself is trying to get you to learn the reason behind the faction wars. You are thrown into each story in silver/gold just to learn more about what?..... PVP! Faction War..

So exactly how is my statement "Even more crazy"?

I just don't think this is one of those mmos the PvP only crowd flock to. It's either people who enjoy a bit of both, or people who are mostly pve lover's.

The Dude Bro · October 2015

I have to say, ESO is a game where I see more players gearing towards PvP rather than raiding/dungeons. Most of this game's top streamers are streaming PvP content. Players have tuned in more for that than any PvE content being streamed. ESO might be the exception to the rule.

SamRothstein · October 2015

Game going downhill? LOL not exactly.

PBpsy · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

How so?

Everything in the main story is about "WAR" between factions.. The game itself is trying to get you to learn the reason behind the faction wars. You are thrown into each story in silver/gold just to learn more about what?..... PVP! Faction War..

So exactly how is my statement "Even more crazy"?

Actually little about the main story or alliance stories is about the war in Cyro. It is mostly about the Planemeld , Molag Ball's schemes and various internal struggles within each faction. There are some story arcs about the faction wars but they are minor.

Your initial statement is more crazy because it ignores the actual current and upcoming end game PVE content in the game. It also ignores the amount of people that are interested in end game PVE
content also. ZOS well knows the amount of people that want PVE content. Why do you think all first year content updates were PVE? Why do you think they launched the IC with 2 PVE dungeons? They knew that a lot of people will just pay for it only for them. Why do you think they now rush Orsinium? Sorry but it is not to give more to do to the PVP crowd.

Elsonso · October 2015

I am among those who think that hard core PVP players, namely the people who are in ESO just to play PVP, are small compared to the people who value PVE more. Given the last year of nothing for PVP, followed by Imperial City, it is hard for me to see what is keeping the PVP people around.

I think that Imperial City is a great DLC and it introduces some really cool game play. It misses on a couple of key points, though...

First, without PVP objectives related to the Alliance War, it should not actually be in Cyrodiil. The center spot in Cyrodiil should be reserved for same zone warfare related to the Alliance War that has objectives that align with the War.

No Cyrodiil PVP objectives mean that there is really nothing to do for PVP other than gank. Everything else is PVE. This is fine, by itself, but I sense that is not enough.

While the Imperial City DLC might have thrived as a DLC not related to Cyrodiil, it does not meet the expectations that have been floating around for a year now. It is not surprising that people are underwhelmed.

Imperial City would have been perfect, pretty much as is, if it were an expanded version of the Imperial City in Coldharbour.

So, yeah, populations are going to be down in ESO. ZOS failed to deliver on Imperial City, and I suspect they know that now. They will likely never go back and fix the DLC, there are just too many core issues that are wrong. Unless they do, by this time next year, Imperial City will be largely left to the Daedric invaders.

What I think that ZOS should do, and what I know that they will never do, is simply shut down Imperial City. Redesign it to be a location adjacent to Coldharbour that replaces the copy of the Imperial City that is there, is mixed PVP/PVE, battle leveled, and ungated. Make it a second PVP zone related to the assault on Molag Bal where players enter upon demand and are placed in versions of the zone balanced (roughly) by Alliance. Keep the PVE content, including Tel Var stones and dungeons, and adjust the quests for the new location and updated goals. Refund crowns spent on the DLC so that players who purchased it can choose whether to spend it when it is re-introduced.

Create a new Imperial City DLC for Cyrodiil that is part of the main Cyrodiil zone. Players who have purchased the DLC will find the bridges onto the island able to be traveled. Those who have not will not be able to cross to the island. Drop the sewers, add in conquests inside the city, and make the objectives on the island an extension of the objectives in the rest of Cyrodiil. Obviously, those who do not purchase would not be able to participate in those objectives, but they would benefit from those who do as the objectives in the Imperial City would tie into the overall campaign.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

How so?

Everything in the main story is about "WAR" between factions.. The game itself is trying to get you to learn the reason behind the faction wars. You are thrown into each story in silver/gold just to learn more about what?..... PVP! Faction War..

So exactly how is my statement "Even more crazy"?

I just don't think this is one of those mmos the PvP only crowd flock to. It's either people who enjoy a bit of both, or people who are mostly lover's.

Well this is by far one of the best MMO's for a PVP crowd !

I know the ES purest do not like it, but it is the truth and to be honest I think that is what ZOS messed up on. ZOS tried to make an MMO with PvP in mind, but still keep the single player ES purest happy. That is a VERY hard line to walk between and that is why there are so many people wanting so many different things out of ESO.

I will say this though.. If you want HARD tactical mechanic driven "End Game Content" in Console MMO Neverwinter is your game on console. If you want large scale PvP ESO is the game.

Neverwitner might look cartoony and bland, but man.. Anyone that has actually played it will tell you that the EGC like CW and a few others will rip you apart if you are not geared and do not understand mechanics.

ESO's EGC is mostly instaDPSbuttonmashtowin In most of the EGC dungeons..

I love ESO I just want things to be .........."Harder"?
I just wish ESO would lean more towards EGC that takes Skill and learning mechanics. Right now it is just a DPS spam race in everything. Everything is just ZURG/NEXT..

I_killed_Vivec · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

You could be right, but sometimes when people aren't on the forums as much, it's a sign they are a bit happier and in game.

Not when basically every second topic in the pvp section is about how the game is going downhill. People have given up.

Yes but you are not taking into account two things.
1. PvP players may not be and probably aren't the majority in this game.
2. Only a small percentage of a games player base use the forums. Even less post on them.

Erm..

The only "End Game Content" for ESO IS PvP so that statement is kinda crazy!

That statement is even more crazy,

How so?

Everything in the main story is about "WAR" between factions.. The game itself is trying to get you to learn the reason behind the faction wars. You are thrown into each story in silver/gold just to learn more about what?..... PVP! Faction War..

So exactly how is my statement "Even more crazy"?

The WHOLE point about silver and gold was to see the factions through their eyes - precisely so you see the futility of the war and the need for people to come together to fight more serious enemies.

When you return from Molag Bal, Meridia tells you that she has plans for you, which is why she sends you out on silver and gold. Defeating Moley has brought you to the attention of other Daedric princes...

AKA future DLC.

JMadFour · October 2015

ZOS is not addressing "pvp for small scale" because no matter how much you hem and haw and spam twitch chat, ESO's pvp was simply NOT DESIGNED FOR SMALL SCALE.

Period. Its a Keep Sieging, large-scale open field pvp game. It always has been.

It's not a Team Deathmatch or 1vs1 dueling game.

Until they decide to put team deathmatch in the game for the COD kiddies, you probably wont hear anything about "small scale pvp".

There are plenty of MMOs with lobby shooter team deathmatch(aka "Arena") out there and not very many large scale pvp MMOs to carry the DAoC torch.

Whats the obsession with turning something unique in the genre into a generic Lobby Shooter?

Funkopotamus · October 2015

JMadFour wrote: »

ZOS is not addressing "pvp for small scale" because no matter how much you hem and haw and spam twitch chat, ESO's pvp was simply NOT DESIGNED FOR SMALL SCALE.

Period. Its a Keep Sieging, large-scale open field pvp game. It always has been.

It's not a Team Deathmatch or 1vs1 dueling game.

Until they decide to put team deathmatch in the game for the COD kiddies, you probably wont hear anything about "small scale pvp".

There are plenty of MMOs with lobby shooter team deathmatch(aka "Arena") out there and not very many large scale pvp MMOs to carry the DAoC torch.

Whats the obsession with turning something unique in the genre into a generic Lobby Shooter?

Agree S00ooo much with the bold!

I think somewhere along the line two posters took my post as a vote for pvp. I personally can live without it in ESO.. All I want is a "Harder" game.. End game content that is not a ZURG/SPAM festival.. But when you have a game where every class can basically do every role...... There honestly is no way for a developer team to achieve any sort of "Class Balance" so PvP will always suffer from that.. Or PVE will however you want to look at it..

My vote is for ZOS to focus everything they have to making meaningful and rewarding PVE End game content! That is what will keep this game alive! Not as you say...."COD PvP players" Thing is most of those "COD Kiddies" have graduated and grown up now and are looking for a higher level of gaming experience, but expect it in every game type.. Even MMO's..

Jbugz97 · October 2015

for pvp really all they have to do is fix issue and balance classes and they would have many player coming back to eso

The Dude Bro · October 2015

JMadFour wrote: »

ZOS is not addressing "pvp for small scale" because no matter how much you hem and haw and spam twitch chat, ESO's pvp was simply NOT DESIGNED FOR SMALL SCALE.

Period. Its a Keep Sieging, large-scale open field pvp game. It always has been.

It's not a Team Deathmatch or 1vs1 dueling game.

Until they decide to put team deathmatch in the game for the COD kiddies, you probably wont hear anything about "small scale pvp".

There are plenty of MMOs with lobby shooter team deathmatch(aka "Arena") out there and not very many large scale pvp MMOs to carry the DAoC torch.

Whats the obsession with turning something unique in the genre into a generic Lobby Shooter?

DAoC still had dueling within faction. There isn't even that in ESO. DAoC also had battlegrounds (not instanced *** versions of WoW's battlegrounds) that werent as populated as Cyrodiil but usually had smaller scale fights.

The Dude Bro · October 2015

Man, there sure are some PvE warriors on this forum. I wonder if they LARP it up and arm themselves before posting.

The Dude Bro · October 2015

BTW, PvE warriors ... please stream some trials or something PvE so ESO has more than just PvP streams on twitch.