DLC = New Sets BOP = P2W??

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

BOP = Items “bind on pickup” which means that they can’t be sold to other players.

we all know the game need to generate revenue, but releasing dlc and I feel more and more new items going BOP, and the game like IS GOING P2W ROAD, not mention the non-dlc player can't farm v15/16 mats... Why cant set BoE, like other crafted item...let the dlc player to decide he want keep or sell... I know some will said, crafted sets is better, but how long u think this is going to last?

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HELP ME!!!! im feeling lost...

Sav72 · October 2015

Nothing is free in life.....

Malmai · October 2015

People already said in beta after 1 year this game is goin F2P and guess what ?

reften · October 2015

Crafted is still better then any dropped items in game IMO, can perfectly customized one's build.

With the exception of jewelry of course, but doesn't count as you can't craft jewerly

Callous2208 · October 2015

Are you suggesting that a person who never buys a games dlc/expansions, should have access to all gear, materials and content of said expansion?

BaldusMageezack · October 2015

My prediction for the future- Pay to speed up trait research. Welcome to freemium

wayfarerx · October 2015

P2W == pay money and win (i.e. buying BiS gear directly from the crown store).

P2W != buy expansion, play game, grind forever, maybe get good drops eventually.

Crafted gear is still good. I sub but I don't grind dungeons for set gear so I end up in mostly crafted stuff anyways. Buy mats with gold, buy crafted gear with gold, whatever. You have options available, but since this game is buy-to-play you will eventually have to buy a new thing to play said new thing.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2015

I'd like to see those sets tradable aswell, but for other reasons. It's just annoying when the healer tells you that he'll deconstruct another piece of sheer venom while you got spell power cure and overwhelming surge as stamina nb.

I still see this game as subscription based with unlimited trial version, so imo it's not p2w.

laksikus · October 2015

reften wrote: »

Crafted is still better then any dropped items in game IMO, can perfectly customized one's build.

With the exception of jewelry of course, but doesn't count as you can't craft jewerly

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crafted is still better than dropped /me laughs

show me any crafted set that is better than overwhelming, scathing, molag kena, nerieneth, skoria, engine,

Suru · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

BOP = Items “bind on pickup” which means that they can’t be sold to other players.

we all know the game need to generate revenue, but releasing dlc and I feel more and more new items going BOP, and the game like IS GOING P2W ROAD, not mention the non-dlc player can't farm v15/16 mats... Why cant set BoE, like other crafted item...let the dlc player to decide he want keep or sell... I know some will said, crafted sets is better, but how long u think this is going to last?

HELP ME!!!! im feeling lost...

I consider the term P2W, a payment of funds for immediate gratification for a greater advantage and ability to "win". This is the dumbest p2w thread I've seen yet. With MA coming out it is a grindable solo arena that is difficult not a cash shop.

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Are suggesting that a person who never buys a games dlc/expansions, should have access to all gear, materials and content of said expansion?

is about the choice,
a player can choose to buy not to buy dlc
a player can choose to sell not to sell items
a player can choose to farm not to farm mats
a player can choose to grind not to grind gold
a player can choose to go not to go dungeon, arena, trial, pvp..

but now... tell me...what do u feel..

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

http://accursedlegion.enjin.com/forum/m/20476532/viewthread/24472622-every-new-set-master-weapons-coming-orsinium/post/last

SleepyTroll · October 2015

So you want ZOS to not make money? Think of it like you payed for the base game wich was vet14 then you get a little demo of vet 16. They need money.

icontested · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

BOP = Items “bind on pickup” which means that they can’t be sold to other players.

we all know the game need to generate revenue, but releasing dlc and I feel more and more new items going BOP, and the game like IS GOING P2W ROAD, not mention the non-dlc player can't farm v15/16 mats... Why cant set BoE, like other crafted item...let the dlc player to decide he want keep or sell... I know some will said, crafted sets is better, but how long u think this is going to last?

HELP ME!!!! im feeling lost...

If you can name 3 big games that don't have a special version of the game, season pass/expansion pack/DLC, then you have a point.

In the past the frequency we purchased games was in a higher successive rate. Now games are meant to be built upon. If you broke down your gaming budget in the past and in present you would see there is nothing wrong with DLCs. I'm fine with it, and I'm fine with the new BoP.

Callous2208 · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Are suggesting that a person who never buys a games dlc/expansions, should have access to all gear, materials and content of said expansion?

is about the choice,
a player can choose to buy not to buy dlc
a player can choose to sell not to sell items
a player can choose to farm not to farm mats
a player can choose to grind not to grind gold
a player can choose to go not to go dungeon, arena, trial, pvp..

but now... tell me...what do u feel..

I feel if you choose not to buy dlc, then you've chosen to not enjoy new gear and content. I don't know what the rest has to with the topic at hand.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Hey if you don't buy the DLC it's your fault you aren't reaping any rewards from it.

Now, that being said, bind on pick-up is only irritating because I can't trade with the guys I run the dungeon with.

Xjcon · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

BOP = Items “bind on pickup” which means that they can’t be sold to other players.

we all know the game need to generate revenue, but releasing dlc and I feel more and more new items going BOP, and the game like IS GOING P2W ROAD, not mention the non-dlc player can't farm v15/16 mats... Why cant set BoE, like other crafted item...let the dlc player to decide he want keep or sell... I know some will said, crafted sets is better, but how long u think this is going to last?

HELP ME!!!! im feeling lost...

Puff puff pass! Stop bogarting that stuff.

Would you prefer that someone can go BUY gold from some third party site then be able to purchase their gear rather then run the content? Sounds more pay to win that way then BOP!

Callous2208 · October 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Hey if you don't buy the DLC it's your fault you aren't reaping any rewards from it.

Now, that being said, bind on pick-up is only irritating because I can't trade with the guys I run the dungeon with.

Agreed, on both points. Should at least have the WoW, trade with group members at the end of the dungeon thing. Yuck, can't believe I just referenced WoW in a positive light.

reften · October 2015

laksikus wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Crafted is still better then any dropped items in game IMO, can perfectly customized one's build.

With the exception of jewelry of course, but doesn't count as you can't craft jewerly

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crafted is still better than dropped /me laughs

show me any crafted set that is better than overwhelming, scathing, molag kena, nerieneth, skoria, engine,

yeah, this "troll" has over 1000 agrees/awesomes/insightfulls to your 13. You can use all those gimmick sets, and I'll happily own you with my 5 hundlings/4 ashens set with agility jewelry.

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

... cool the community getting together... what next..

Acrolas · October 2015

I think the more valid complaint is that BOP gear should have a higher resale value at merchants, because it can't functionally have a secondary market value. It wouldn't break the economy to set the value at something like 5,000.

My Petrified Bull Charm is worth more than any of those Maelstrom weapons. Seriously, a souvenir cattle *** is worth more.

NobleNerd · October 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Hey if you don't buy the DLC it's your fault you aren't reaping any rewards from it.

Now, that being said, bind on pick-up is only irritating because I can't trade with the guys I run the dungeon with.

They could and should have implemented a feature like WoW did a while back where you could trade (time limit) to another group member an item received while grouped for said dungeon. After the time limit was up you were SOL.

Nothing worse than seeing this game go the same route as all the dungeon/raid grindfest for gear windmill ones.

acw37162 · October 2015

Bind on pick up is not "NOT" pay to win.

usmcjdking · October 2015

This isn't P2W - Maelstrom equipment is NOT BiS for everyone.

Xjcon · October 2015

NobleNerd wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Hey if you don't buy the DLC it's your fault you aren't reaping any rewards from it.

Now, that being said, bind on pick-up is only irritating because I can't trade with the guys I run the dungeon with.

They could and should have implemented a feature like WoW did a while back where you could trade (time limit) to another group member an item received while grouped for said dungeon. After the time limit was up you were SOL.

Nothing worse than seeing this game go the same route as all the dungeon/raid grindfest for gear windmill ones.

This I agree with, or at the very least take Well Fitted out of the pool.

Sixsixsix161 · October 2015

Dropped armor imo is nice because it's free and is good in the lower levels, but that's about it. My sorceress just finished Coldharbour, and at vr1 still is wearing what she wore in the mid- to - late 40-levels. She's wearing 2 pieces of a set, and never saw any more of that set (that's out of 7 pieces of light armor she wears). In her inventory she has 2 pieces of two other, different sets, but she can't wear those until she gets additional pieces.

I don't know what I expected when I finished Coldharbour, but I didn't get anything special at the end. And I consider that quest line as important as the "vestige" main quest line. I also finished that quest line today, and at least got a nice vr1 purple staff from that quest, but it's a healing staff and I really needed a better lightning staff It would have been nice to get a choice, but that's for another discussion.

But even with 3 pieces of jewelry that each have increased spell damage, I'm barely doing over 900 points damage. I'm sure with crafted armor that will be much higher, so I'll have to go that way. Especially now that I'm fighting enemies at a higher level.

I'm just disappointed by the quality of the drops toward the end.

Callous2208 · October 2015

Sixsixsix161 wrote: »

Dropped armor imo is nice because it's free and is good in the lower levels, but that's about it. My sorceress just finished Coldharbour, and at vr1 still is wearing what she wore in the mid- to - late 40-levels. She's wearing 2 pieces of a set, and never saw any more of that set (that's out of 7 pieces of light armor she wears). In her inventory she has 2 pieces of two other, different sets, but she can't wear those until she gets additional pieces.

I don't know what I expected when I finished Coldharbour, but I didn't get anything special at the end. And I consider that quest line as important as the "vestige" main quest line. I also finished that quest line today, and at least got a nice vr1 purple staff from that quest, but it's a healing staff and I really needed a better lightning staff It would have been nice to get a choice, but that's for another discussion.

But even with 3 pieces of jewelry that each have increased spell damage, I'm barely doing over 900 points damage. I'm sure with crafted armor that will be much higher, so I'll have to go that way. Especially now that I'm fighting enemies at a higher level.

I'm just disappointed by the quality of the drops toward the end.

Dungoen dropped sets is where you'll find the quality at end game. Combines with crafted gear and jewelry from IC vaults. You're a long way away from everything except the crafted. I could make you a premium set and you'd solo world bosses in your sleep at your current level.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Hey if you don't buy the DLC it's your fault you aren't reaping any rewards from it.

Now, that being said, bind on pick-up is only irritating because I can't trade with the guys I run the dungeon with.

Agreed, on both points. Should at least have the WoW, trade with group members at the end of the dungeon thing. Yuck, can't believe I just referenced WoW in a positive light.

Minus the obvs delirium you must be experiencing because you cast WoW in a good like

I agree, a window of trade before locking the gear to an account would do wonders for groups. Not everyone has a stamina build, a magicka build, a tank and a healer, so it's not as if they want to sit those pieces in their banks.

Lord Xanhorn · October 2015

the OP clearly doesn't understand what P2W is.

Rhazmuz · October 2015

Omg., how dare a company incentivize its user base to buy new content.. what has the world come to??!

RoamingRiverElk · October 2015

Bind on Pickup simply introduces WAY TOO MUCH grinding into this game, where we also need to grind for monster helms, basic crafting materials and for gold so we can have upgrade materials (v16 legendary weapons, etc). The game is becoming 80% grind, 20% what one actually wants to do. And that will soon cost ESO more players than they might gain by such tedious mechanics.